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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:37:31 PM EDT
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Wrong move Mr President. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:37:41 PM EDT
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I've called it earlier, that Trump has been sitting on his fat ass doing NOTHING to improve gun rights. He had plenty of executive orders he could have undone, right away. Nothing done. We're in for 4 years of NOT A DAMN THING GETTING DONE. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, and after Trump spent all that time eliminating all of Obamas executive gun control orders. Oh. Wait. We're in for 4 years of NOT A DAMN THING GETTING DONE. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:38:09 PM EDT
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If the Republicans don't do something they are F'ed big time. They have had the last few years to draft a replacement. Now they have both houses and the executive office. If they don't get something through they deserve to be tarred and feathered. Personally i want to see obamacare repealed and nothing put in its place. Back to free market health care. 
Sadly i think O-care will be this centuries social security. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:38:31 PM EDT
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guess Trump is tired of winning.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:38:38 PM EDT
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. I can't believe people still underestimate Trump.. Read his book...Walk away from bad deals until you can come back with favorable terms.
Betting the self made billionaire is making the right decision is the safe bet. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:38:44 PM EDT
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Republicans have given no thought to what they would do if they could have their way. They have no plan. They are like the dog that caught the Big Brown Truck. Now, what? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:38:59 PM EDT
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Maybe. You're better letting it crash in a year or so and not owning it instead of doing it half ass because you can't get the votes and it being your bill. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wrong move Mr President. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:40:00 PM EDT
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that would be FABULIS. I would fucking laugh till I bled. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:40:25 PM EDT
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Wonder how long ACA would last if all those fuckers in the government were forced to use it...... |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:41:52 PM EDT
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It's like trump is doing every thing he can to fuck up at every turn
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:42:17 PM EDT
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Smart play by Trump. He is handing this train wreck to the establishment GOP and saying that they own this.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:43:48 PM EDT
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Remember, the MSM controls how most of the population sees things. The Republicans lose no matter what. The bill passes and it sucks, Republicans fault. It doesn't pass and Obamacare stays, it sucks and it's the Republicans fault for not fixing it.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:46:14 PM EDT
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Maybe. The inevitable crash of Obamacare will still be blamed on the Republicans by the Democrats and their friends in the press for failing to pass the current Bill that would have 'fixed' it and prevented the collapse. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:46:21 PM EDT
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Part of negotiation is not getting what you hoped for.
The GOPe will have to make concessions. The tea party freedom caucus will hold their votes until the end. The moderates will vote for what the leadership puts up. The democrats are going to be hooting and hollering outside trying to get riots started. Eventually it will get better and better. If it passes, the senate will be pressured as the fight now rest on them. It will not be pretty to get this bastard repealed and a replacement that actually matters passed. HOLD THE LINE PATRIOTS!!!! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:47:08 PM EDT
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UPDATE: 7:42 p.m.: President Donald Trump is demanding a vote Friday in the House on the Republican plan to repeal and replace Obamacare, White House Budget Director Mick Mulvaney said. If the bill fails, Trump is prepared to move on and leave Obamacare in place, Mulvaney said. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-health-care-236418 |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:47:31 PM EDT
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. I can't believe people still underestimate Trump.. Read his book...Walk away from bad deals until you can come back with favorable terms. Betting the self made billionaire is making the right decision is the safe bet. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:48:59 PM EDT
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making deals in our government is nothing like making deals in the corporate world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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it's the art of the deal |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:50:46 PM EDT
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this - ryan has never been supportive of Trump. this was a chance to see if ryan would play ball with Trump in getting legislation through, and instead, ryan still trotted out what he wanted, instead of something that would benefit and support Trump. Trump can now push to get ryan kicked out as speaker. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Trump plays 3D chess. If Ryan can't pull this off, it gives Trump leverage to call for a new Speaker of the House. Ryan will knife Trump in the back as soon as it's convenient, so this will clear a future subversive out of the way. ryan has never been supportive of Trump. this was a chance to see if ryan would play ball with Trump in getting legislation through, and instead, ryan still trotted out what he wanted, instead of something that would benefit and support Trump. Trump can now push to get ryan kicked out as speaker. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:50:49 PM EDT
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lol if trump pushes single payer, holy fuck it's gonna be fun watching the hardline trump leg humpers fucking stroke out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it will be Trump who brings us single payer. Mark my words. It is what he wants and he will do it and his base will say ok (they will never disavow him) and he will pick up enough moderates to win popular and electoral votes in 2020. Then they will say it is what they wanted all along. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:56:10 PM EDT
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Trump is going against conservatives who elected him. Big mistake. Trump just wants to pass a bill to do something and call it a promise fulfilled. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:56:16 PM EDT
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. This it for Trump! After a month in office it's all over! Muh rights and stuff! Whaaaaaaa! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:56:48 PM EDT
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You should have ran for president, would have been easy for you to have proven how much better you are and won.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's true. He promised to provide Universal Healthcare Coverage. After all, he said it's one of the primary functions of the Federal a Government. We should not be surprised that he supports this. No need to be pissy about it. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:56:48 PM EDT
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Listen, if we can't trust Trump and Ryan, who *can* we trust? I'm sure they have this shit all figured out. But the blame for this rests at the feet of congress and every lazy dipshit who didn't hold them accountable. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:57:16 PM EDT
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It is truly amazing how often 'conservatives' get themselves backed into these stupid corners, isn't it? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 10:57:50 PM EDT
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LOL no shit. This it for Trump! After a month in office it's all over! Muh rights and stuff! Whaaaaaaa! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:00:29 PM EDT
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But the blame for this rests at the feet of congress and every lazy dipshit who didn't hold them accountable. They had eight fucking years to come up with legislation for the next Republican President to sign and they don't have shit. No tax reform No new budget No new health care laws/repeal All of which they said was ready to go lol |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:02:45 PM EDT
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. I can't believe people still underestimate Trump.. Read his book...Walk away from bad deals until you can come back with favorable terms. Betting the self made billionaire is making the right decision is the safe bet. 
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:03:20 PM EDT
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Smart play by Trump. He is handing this train wreck to the establishment GOP and saying that they own this. Ryan even looks flustered in these pictures the last couple weeks. As he should, he's the last RINO standing and holding that steaming turd of a healthcare plan that was the best the GOP establishment could put forward after 6 years on the sideline. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:05:21 PM EDT
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^^^^ They had eight fucking years to come up with legislation for the next Republican President to sign and they don't have shit. No tax reform No new budget No new health care laws/repeal All of which they said was ready to go lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But the blame for this rests at the feet of congress and every lazy dipshit who didn't hold them accountable. They had eight fucking years to come up with legislation for the next Republican President to sign and they don't have shit. No tax reform No new budget No new health care laws/repeal All of which they said was ready to go lol But the President insisted that his Healthcare plan should come first. Then taxes. He also insisted on Universal Coverage. This is what was promised. This is what the delivery looks like. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:06:54 PM EDT
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It is truly amazing how often 'conservatives' get themselves backed into these stupid corners, isn't it? |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:09:11 PM EDT
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I stated a very simple and undeniable fact. No need to be pissy about it. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:09:18 PM EDT
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Not so sure on this one, but he always seems to have a long game.
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:10:19 PM EDT
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They will just say "3D chess" and shit. Then they will say it is what they wanted all along. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:15:16 PM EDT
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Sure you did...how about this fact...Trump has zero control on what the congress wants to put up or vote on..he can make suggestions, that's it....but somehow in your mind he is 100% responsible still...My guess, Trump is doing what he has to in order to get a bill that does exactly what he promised voters it would do...you know...ART OF THE DEAL...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I stated a very simple and undeniable fact. No need to be pissy about it. Did HE write the Bill? No. But when you support it, lobby congress to pass it, and then sign it... ...that's on you. Trump supports this Bill "100%." That's what HE said. He has pushed for it, lobbied the conservatives to compromise and support it, and he has praised Ryan for his effort. You can claim otherwise, but it won't be true. Trump has ALWAYS supported universal, government Healthcare. Accept that fact, and be satisfied with his winning. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:17:49 PM EDT
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Trump is willing to sign Paul Ryan's shit deal Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. I can't believe people still underestimate Trump.. Read his book...Walk away from bad deals until you can come back with favorable terms. Betting the self made billionaire is making the right decision is the safe bet. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:18:15 PM EDT
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Good, let Obamacare collapse on its own. Obviously the left and their mouths pieces in the press will blame Trump and the republicans. They will say you could have fixed it but did nothing. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:19:29 PM EDT
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Not so sure on this one, but he always seems to have a long game. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not so sure on this one, but he always seems to have a long game. Smart thing to do, throw it back on them. Let Obamacare continue to fail. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:22:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cucumbermonkey
Really what else can he do. He said he wants people with pre existing conditions covered. You cant do that with no mandate and keep costs low. Ive always said I see no good solution if your goal is to make sure every American has access to affordable health insurance. No need to force mandates on the rest of us. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:23:06 PM EDT
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They have all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
They have all that. For starters they already told Trump to shove his budget because they do not want to cut foreign aid. McConnell and a few others already told Trump that they won't be voting on anything tax related until August or later. Gun laws like the "hearing protection" whatever seem to be stuck in committee. This is 100% on Congress. Quoted:
Have the government provide insurance to those who are "uninsurable." No need to force mandates on the rest of us. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:26:29 PM EDT
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Didn't you say a long time ago that you wouldn't pollute Trump threads with your Canadian retardation any more?  Attached Filewhatever would make you think that? edit - I didn't make the image, saw it in an old post so credit to the poster |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:26:32 PM EDT
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No they don't. For starters they already told Trump to shove his budget because they do not want to cut foreign aid. McConnell and a few others already told Trump that they won't be voting on anything tax related until August or later. Gun laws like the "hearing protection" whatever seem to be stuck in committee. This is 100% on Congress. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have all that. For starters they already told Trump to shove his budget because they do not want to cut foreign aid. McConnell and a few others already told Trump that they won't be voting on anything tax related until August or later. Gun laws like the "hearing protection" whatever seem to be stuck in committee. This is 100% on Congress. He supports the RINO Bill 100%. You can pretend otherwise, but it remains true. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:27:30 PM EDT
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That is part of the current bill ala medicare "expansion" however the house "freedom caucus" is throwing a hissy fit over that part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They have all that. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:29:51 PM EDT
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Terrible idea. It makes most of Obamacare permanent. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:31:55 PM EDT
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I say fucking awesome idea. Obamacare will collapse. That is a fact. Hold the vote and let those that vote no choke on it come election time Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Terrible idea. It makes most of Obamacare permanent. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:32:01 PM EDT
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Good. I want single payer and I think Trump does too.
I think his slogan "repeal and replace" was very smart. It got the people clamoring for Obamacare on board with him while not ruling out a government run healthcare system. I never heard Trump say during the campaign he was against the government being involved in healthcare. I voted for Trump because he could be liberal on some issues (guns not being one of them) Feel free to roast me. I know I'm probably in the minority hear with this view. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:35:24 PM EDT
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Let's see...my 2017 premium jumped 34% to $595.
And that's AFTER I chose to do a crappier plan! 2018 $785 2019 $1015 2020 $1350 And that's a Blue Cross Florida plan for ONE person! I'll just pay the penalty next year. Can't afford it and I make good jack. I think Trump's made a good move. We will see in 18 hours or less. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:35:52 PM EDT
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I'm going with 4D chess on this one.
If Ryan Care falls that just might cost him his Speaker job. He has not been able to pass anything in the House except for naming a WI post office. If he's not toast he should be. Despite appearances you just know Trump despises Ryan and if you remember he tasked Ryan to come-up with something that would breeze through the House. Breezing through the House meant appeasing the Freedom Caucus but for some odd reason Ryan did not get that memo.
Ryan went all RINO on the House Bill proposing something only the likes of John McCain would love....Ryan owns any "failure", not Trump. I think Trump played along knowing Ryan was digging himself a hole he may never get himself out of. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:35:55 PM EDT
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Trump is fucking this one up bigly. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:37:14 PM EDT
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THIS
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This is the same the sky is falling attitude I read in GD all last year. I can't believe people still underestimate Trump.. Read his book...Walk away from bad deals until you can come back with favorable terms. Betting the self made billionaire is making the right decision is the safe bet. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:39:44 PM EDT
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You support Trump taking ownership of Obamacare and renaming it Trumpcare? |
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