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dont care.
statistically, nobody that buys a pistol with brace actually uses it as a brace, its used as a stock, and most people online pretend its anything but a stock. bottom line, the atf gives zero fucks about individual violations of shit like this, 922R, sbr engraving, copies of form1's |
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GO MAC!
He must have wrote a letter to the ATF and got permission first. |
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Tim should have Jerzy on as a guest to discuss this.
Also, I miss classic-Tim, with the Colonel insignia. |
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Riddle me this. Can I put a stock on an AR pistol and cheek it? I'm not shouldering it. By cheeking it I transformed it into a pistol like shouldering a brace turned the pistol into a rifle? Maybe we should write some letters.
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If one of the feds here want to buy me a membership they will see that my avatar is me shouldering my 300 blackout pistol with ZFG.
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I predict nothing will happen to him.
If this were a Holder justice dept, then he would have to pepper has angus as there would be some career folks looking for their next promotion. |
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They have to be able to prove that you bought with the intent of bypassing a tax stamp. Which could be real hard, unless you told people online that's what you were gonna do. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Exactly. There's going to be a lot of hidden disappointment from so-called "gun people" that the ATF doesn't do jack shit about this. Just like the people who are so very, very worried about 922r. It's nonsense. I tell you what, hold your breath waiting for the ATF to prosecute some guy for adding a pistol grip to his Saiga. Good fucking luck with that. Which could be real hard, unless you told people online that's what you were gonna do. And, in the Commonwealth of PA, because it is a pistol according to the law, it can be "carried" loaded in your vehicle which is not permitted with rifles. |
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gogetumnow your avatar is from one of my favorite movies. I always wanted to be a Tenenbaum
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dont care. statistically, nobody that buys a pistol with brace actually uses it as a brace, its used as a stock, and most people online pretend its anything but a stock. bottom line, the atf gives zero fucks about individual violations of shit like this, 922R, sbr engraving, copies of form1's View Quote Zero cases of an individual getting his peepee slapped over 922r Cases on SBR/SBS/AOW/*insert acronym for super evil NFA item here* violations are in the single digits per year I cannot find a single case of an individual getting his peepee slapped over engravings Zero cases on brace peepee slapping Etc Etc Etc Etc ATF gives zero fucks about the individual at the end of the day. |
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This. They don't give a shit Zero cases of an individual getting his peepee slapped over 922r Cases on SBR/SBS/AOW/*insert acronym for super evil NFA item here* violations are in the single digits per year I cannot find a single case of an individual getting his peepee slapped over engravings Zero cases on brace peepee slapping Etc Etc Etc Etc ATF gives zero fucks about the individual at the end of the day. View Quote |
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This. Me thinks that the ATF is going to see this and say "You're right. We now consider these arm brace thingy's to be stocks and that by having an arm brace reclassifies your pistol into a rifle" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The ATF is going to get tired of this shit soon enough and just ban the braces altogether and claim they're all stocks. IMO, they tried to offer a compromise, but they realize how complicated it's become. Not that I think any of it should be illegal anyway, but they tried to play ball and people tried to mess with the rules of the game again. Sooner or later, they're just going to come along and take the ball away again How's them boots taste? |
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Interested to hear your thoughts, and whether you'd be interested in representing Tim View Quote And I doubt he'll need representation. @MMcCall |
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dont care. statistically, nobody that buys a pistol with brace actually uses it as a brace, its used as a stock, and most people online pretend its anything but a stock. bottom line, the atf gives zero fucks about individual violations of shit like this, 922R, sbr engraving, copies of form1's View Quote You have to do something supremely flagrant and/or stupid for the ATF to give a shit about an individual... |
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Yep, if they ever pinch anyone for this shit it will be another charge in addition to a million more serious ones. You have to do something supremely flagrant and/or stupid for the ATF to give a shit about an individual... View Quote FATF |
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I've consistently stated from the beginning that I don't agree with ATF's interpretation of redesign. Had he taken some affirmative steps to actual change the brace, etc. then I think there would be an argument he redesigned something. To the extent one merely utilizes it in a manner that is different from what was intended, I think that is untenable. And I doubt he'll need representation. @MMcCall View Quote |
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The ATF is going to get tired of this shit soon enough and just ban the braces altogether and claim they're all stocks. IMO, they tried to offer a compromise, but they realize how complicated it's become. Not that I think any of it should be illegal anyway, but they tried to play ball and people tried to mess with the rules of the game again. Sooner or later, they're just going to come along and take the ball away again View Quote ETA: ftatf. |
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This. Me thinks that the ATF is going to see this and say "You're right. We now consider these arm brace thingy's to be stocks and that by having an arm brace reclassifies your pistol into a rifle" View Quote |
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Fuck. You. ATF.
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Tim had vids before where it appears he's shouldering a brace, but he says it's not touching his shoulder.
These threads get blown out of proportion. Someone should challenge the issue with brace, so if that is hus intent..awesome. |
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View Quote Makes perfect sense to me. A broom is a broom. Whether you ride it or sweep with it. Still a broom. |
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The ATF is going to get tired of this shit soon enough and just ban the braces altogether and claim they're all stocks. IMO, they tried to offer a compromise, but they realize how complicated it's become. Not that I think any of it should be illegal anyway, but they tried to play ball and people tried to mess with the rules of the game again. Sooner or later, they're just going to come along and take the ball away again View Quote |
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View Quote Again, that is to say nothing of what happened at RR, but it is far outside of the ATF just fucking up some random dude who has never even dealt with then before. |
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As fucked up as the whole incident was, the long-running contact the ATF had with weaver goes well beyond shouldering a brace, violating 922r, or even if he had just had some SBSes for personal use. From what I recall, when they tried to get him at first it was for the transfer of an SBS. Again, that is to say nothing of what happened at RR, but it is far outside of the ATF just fucking up some random dude who has never even dealt with then before. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Again, that is to say nothing of what happened at RR, but it is far outside of the ATF just fucking up some random dude who has never even dealt with then before. Don't be a dense tard over RR. |
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I was watching Outdoor channel and there this firearms show going on. The guy basically shouldered and fired a pistol caliber AR with a brace or blade whatever and like not giving a fuck. Had to double take it
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As fucked up as the whole incident was, the long-running contact the ATF had with weaver goes well beyond shouldering a brace, violating 922r, or even if he had just had some SBSes for personal use. From what I recall, when they tried to get him at first it was for the transfer of an SBS. Again, that is to say nothing of what happened at RR, but it is far outside of the ATF just fucking up some random dude who has never even dealt with then before. View Quote |
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