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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:40:16 PM EDT
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"This also meant keeping defense contractors, which tend to move slowly and conservatively and with an eye for profit, out of the design process. " Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Cunt. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:42:15 PM EDT
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Wanna bet I could build a GPS guided short range missle for 5k? combine a mobile phone with a couple servo's from RC planes, a bunch of G series model rocket motors and an RC plane, with a modest payload. DONE. OH wait ISIS is already using drones to drop hand grenades.... This is cool but done often. Engineering projects when I was in college solved real-world problems as a capstone before graduation. Almost all, were just like this if it was for Raytheon, albeit with a novel concept or idea in one area. There would be more work needed in command and control and corrosion resistance. It would have to live statically on ship for long periods of time, again easy to solve. When it comes to *need it right now* the military can procure and field quickly. Look at MRAPs and dozens of other examples. Look at harpoons, suddenly a power rises after the 90s and it's o crap, harpoons aren't good enough, no launchers on any of our ships. Modify an SM-2 to hit ships and then get this out in 2018. AGM-158 |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:53:08 PM EDT
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When it comes to *need it right now* the military can procure and field quickly. Look at MRAPs and dozens of other examples. Look at harpoons, suddenly a power rises after the 90s and it's o crap, harpoons aren't good enough, no launchers on any of our ships. Modify an SM-2 to hit ships and then get this out in 2018. AGM-158 |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:54:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:55:04 PM EDT
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"This also meant keeping defense contractors, which tend to move slowly and conservatively and with an eye for profit, out of the design process. " Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Cunt. 
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:55:18 PM EDT
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Imagine that..Off the shelf parts and a.group of people who want to get down to brass tacks and engineer something rather than bullshitting away money while someone decides what color it has to be and what kind of acronym to name it. Plus circumventing? the DoD procurement process is a very smart idea. That is one of if not the biggest hold up these days. Fucking takes forever to procure something and by the time you get it your timeline is so fucked it isn't even funny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Imagine that..Off the shelf parts and a.group of people who want to get down to brass tacks and engineer something rather than bullshitting away money while someone decides what color it has to be and what kind of acronym to name it. Plus circumventing? the DoD procurement process is a very smart idea. That is one of if not the biggest hold up these days. Fucking takes forever to procure something and by the time you get it your timeline is so fucked it isn't even funny. The team also assumed from the outset that their designs would fail, a lot. But it also knew it would learn from each failure and could quickly incorporate lessons learned. By the third launch, they had a working scramjet missile propulsion unit. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 2:56:20 PM EDT
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Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process.  Attached FileCunt.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 3:24:50 PM EDT
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"This also meant keeping defense contractors, which tend to move slowly and conservatively and with an eye for profit, out of the design process. " Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Cunt. 
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Posted: 3/24/2017 3:38:29 PM EDT
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Not for this project apparently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"This also meant keeping defense contractors, which tend to move slowly and conservatively and with an eye for profit, out of the design process. " Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Cunt.  boom... Headshot!
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:07:31 PM EDT
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Lol with an attitude like that it would motivate a designer to seek his answers else where or solve the problems on their own. Engineers aren't magic and you aren't as special as you think you are. |
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Posted: 3/24/2017 7:25:06 PM EDT
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I am pretty sure I know one of the engineers on that project. The way the project was completed with a lack of bullshit is just that guy. The last missile project he worked on was failing because the team leader would get drunk and fuck hookers, rather than try to produce a successful result. He changed jobs from the missile place here to go out there. 
Here's some old school US Navy ramjet cool for you all:  Attached FileThe RIM-8 Talos was a bad bitch in it's day. The surface-to-air versions also saw action in Vietnam, a total of three MiGs being shot down by Chicago and Long Beach. On May 23, 1968, a Talos fired from the USS Long Beach shot down a Vietnamese MiG at a range of about 65 miles. This was the first downing of a hostile aircraft by a missile fired from a ship. The hit also destroyed a second MiG which flew through the debris. In September 1968 Long Beach scored another MiG destroyed at a range of 61 miles. On May 9, 1972 the USS Chicago forward Talos battery scored a long-range kill on a MiG. [6] The Talos missile also had surface-to-surface capabilities. 
In fact, the reason they moved away from it to the Standard had more to do with fitting the enormous launcher & magazine into a hull than any deficiency in the missile itself. |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 2:33:28 PM EDT
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MRAP was procured and fielded quickly because, I'm told, basically every issue was responded to with "throw buckets of money at it until it's fixed" method. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When it comes to *need it right now* the military can procure and field quickly. Look at MRAPs and dozens of other examples. Look at harpoons, suddenly a power rises after the 90s and it's o crap, harpoons aren't good enough, no launchers on any of our ships. Modify an SM-2 to hit ships and then get this out in 2018. AGM-158 |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 2:39:18 PM EDT
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if the job is anything like medical device engineers, all they do is take a design that cost $50 and somehow make it $5000. I'm OK with that level of scrutiny for my new bionic parts
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:01:01 PM EDT
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What the article describes actually happens quite often in the National Research Labs/DARPA. I did that dozens of times. Considerable flexability in those environments.
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"This also meant keeping defense contractors, which tend to move slowly and conservatively and with an eye for profit, out of the design process. " Fuck you asshole...I'm a engineering defense contractor responsible for quoting/developing/delivering your POS design that may or may not be valid. I'm not slow and YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Cunt. |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:13:50 PM EDT
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MRAP was procured and fielded quickly because, I'm told, basically every issue was responded to with "throw buckets of money at it until it's fixed" method. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When it comes to *need it right now* the military can procure and field quickly. Look at MRAPs and dozens of other examples. Look at harpoons, suddenly a power rises after the 90s and it's o crap, harpoons aren't good enough, no launchers on any of our ships. Modify an SM-2 to hit ships and then get this out in 2018. AGM-158 More money, less rules = faster results. |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:15:03 PM EDT
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Could you imagine a DoD contractor betting a contract on, "well, let's just fuck up a few times and learn from it; eventually we'll get it right!" |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:36:30 PM EDT
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Fuck you asshole... YOU NEED ME IN your design process. Your assessment of the situation seems accurate however.
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:53:22 PM EDT
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Most of them are that way, especially when working on a new missile design. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Could you imagine a DoD contractor betting a contract on, "well, let's just fuck up a few times and learn from it; eventually we'll get it right!" 
http://www.stratpost.com/gripen-operational-cost-lowest-of-all-western-fighters-janes |
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Posted: 3/25/2017 3:56:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryThat's got to be one big model rocket for a 900 engine. |
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