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Lots of good suggestions so far op. If you can check both legs for voltage feeding into your main breaker and coming out are they the same? Could be as simple as a worn out main. Going through temperature cycles could be what's causing it to be sporadic presenting problems. View Quote After checking the unit sub panel (all screws tight with no bad buss/breaker connections) I eventually put my T5 in the receptacle and watched it. The voltage dropped to 60-70 volts and than came back on. It had to be in the multi meter stack. Utility came out and pulled the meter & we opened the stack. Nothing evident - stabs looked fine and the main bkr screws were tight. We put it all back together, turn it on and go back inside. Flip a switch and no lights! Well shit, we go back out and pull it apart again so I can check voltage on the load side of the main. One phase was open. Replaced the main and all has been good since. I've never come across a main failing like this. I suppose it was breaking continuity once it heated up when the load increased. Tricky one to find... |
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I agree. Lots of really good info and it's much appreciated!!!
Any thoughts on why it's happening at the same times during the day? |
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Something like this was happening to my brother. Then it got worse, voltage would fluctuate from 40 to 180 at the outlets. Fried appliances, furnace, wiring, etc., lucky the house didn't burn. I traced the voltage spikes to before the meter, ended up being a faulty neutral at the transformer due to crappy wire, Edison replaced the connection to the pole post haste. Come to find out 3 houses on the block burned from the same thing in a 7 year period before he moved there.
Got most of it fixed or replaced but he still worries about wiring in the walls that may have been damaged but not enough to short yet. Said a few rooms smelled of burning plastic back when it happened. Probably not your issue but don't mess around, get it figured out ASAP. ETA: if it's a loose neutral outside temperature fluctuation could explain the times it is happening. Wild guess but I assume it's possible. Good luck! |
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Just happened again at 10:42 PM
OK is definitely on some sort of pattern. I'm going to try to have my voltmeters hooked up and watching it during the next timeframe. I have two so I can have one on each phase to neutral at the main connections in the breaker panel and I'll setup my phone to record the voltages. |
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If you find a circuit that is low, check the other breakers for higher than normal voltage. When an appliance would kick on it would cause a low spike on one circuit and high on another. Totally random and was hard to trace, jumped breaker to breaker while some stayed normal.
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Something like this was happening to my brother. Then it got worse, voltage would fluctuate from 40 to 180 at the outlets. Fried appliances, furnace, wiring, etc., lucky the house didn't burn. I traced the voltage spikes to before the meter, ended up being a faulty neutral at the transformer due to crappy wire, Edison replaced the connection to the pole post haste. Come to find out 3 houses on the block burned from the same thing in a 7 year period before he moved there. Got most of it fixed or replaced but he still worries about wiring in the walls that may have been damaged but not enough to short yet. Said a few rooms smelled of burning plastic back when it happened. Probably not your issue but don't mess around, get it figured out ASAP. ETA: if it's a loose neutral outside temperature fluctuation could explain the times it is happening. Wild guess but I assume it's possible. Good luck! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Something like this was happening to my brother. Then it got worse, voltage would fluctuate from 40 to 180 at the outlets. Fried appliances, furnace, wiring, etc., lucky the house didn't burn. I traced the voltage spikes to before the meter, ended up being a faulty neutral at the transformer due to crappy wire, Edison replaced the connection to the pole post haste. Come to find out 3 houses on the block burned from the same thing in a 7 year period before he moved there. Got most of it fixed or replaced but he still worries about wiring in the walls that may have been damaged but not enough to short yet. Said a few rooms smelled of burning plastic back when it happened. Probably not your issue but don't mess around, get it figured out ASAP. ETA: if it's a loose neutral outside temperature fluctuation could explain the times it is happening. Wild guess but I assume it's possible. Good luck! Quoted:
Just happened again at 10:42 PM OK is definitely on some sort of pattern. I'm going to try to have my voltmeters hooked up and watching it during the next timeframe. I have two so I can have one on each phase to neutral at the main connections in the breaker panel and I'll setup my phone to record the voltages. I have something similar at my house, sometimes the UPS would beep other times not, and the ceiling fan would make a little bit of noise. |
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At worst, a loose neutral would get you 240 volts instead of the expected 120. Which will certainly damage attached devices designed for 120, but doesn't affect the wiring at all. His wiring is fine. View Quote |
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It's not your home. It's your neighborhood. This happens in my neighborhood several times a month. A power drop or power will just go off then come back on. Annoying as hell. New construction in the area. To many homes on the power grid in your area
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Ever since I put LED lights into our house almost 2 years ago, they would randomly flicker. It only happened a handful of times a week and only lasts a few seconds. I just chalked it up to LEDs being LEDs. Within the last couple of weeks my UPS battery backup in my office started beeping as soon as the lights flicker. My printer that is not on the UPS reboots itself. The backup is on a different circuit than any of the LEDs. We have the same LED canned lights on about 3 other circuits and they all flicker for the same amount of time. My UPS has a utility on Windows that monitors power outages, under voltages, and over voltages. Even though it beeps it does not record anything in any of those categories. I'm at a loss to figure this out. I also checked and my HVAC is not coming on when this happens. Neither is my fridge or air compressor. In fact any of those can come on and the lights don't react. The only other appliance I haven't been able to track is the small freezer we keep in the garage. Nothing else uses a lot of electricity in our house. So I'm thinking if it's not the freezer then it has to be a voltage drop from the transformer? UPDATE: Still no luck Tightening the neutral bar and a few neutrals and grounds in my breaker panel didn't seem to change it. Still did it Mon, Tue, and Wed. I called the power company out and they came out yesterday. He said the neutral at my main was just a little bit loose, but everything else looked good. He did re-tighten it and requested a recording meter from corp, but didn't know if he'd be able to get one of them. So I needed a better way to track them. My CyberPanel UPS software was just the personal edition and wasn't catching it all nor did it keep a log. Looked into the Business edition and it would log every event. So I installed it. Turns out it's happening a lot more than I thought. I thought it might be the freezer out in the garage, but it's unplugged. Only other thing is the hot water heater. You can't tell when it comes on. So I'm going to turn it off today and see if that fixes it. Any other ideas? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167167/2017-03-23-06-14-00-PowerPanel-Business-Edition----Agent--Logs---Event-Logs--171972.JPG UPDATE 2: It seems to be happening at around the same time every day. Now that I have the UPS logging it I'm starting to see a pattern. Tuesday and Wednesday weren't completely logged, so I was relying on seeing it myself and probably didn't catch them all. The automated logging started at around 7:15 PM Wednesday. If the pattern persists it should happen again tonight around 10:30. Also, I unhooked the water heater at about 11:45 AM Thursday morning to see if that was the culprit but it's not. I've isolated every single appliance at this point, including the TP Link Powerline LAN adapters. I also don't have anything on a schedule like this. My outside lights come on at dusk and off at dawn. So that's not it. Monday 10:38 PM Tuesday 7:33 PM Wednesday 11:19 AM 7:25 PM 10:23 PM Thursday 12:34 AM 3:27 AM 3:34 AM 11:24 AM 7:31 PM View Quote Check your ground strap outside. Mine corroded out and looked ok but was hanging on by a thread. I had the same kind of flickering/ ups going off and it ended up taking out two A/C compressors before I figured out what the culprit was. That was an expensive month. |
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Check your ground strap outside. Mine corroded out and looked ok but was hanging on by a thread. I had the same kind of flickering/ ups going off and it ended up taking out two A/C compressors before I figured out what the culprit was. That was an expensive month. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Ever since I put LED lights into our house almost 2 years ago, they would randomly flicker. It only happened a handful of times a week and only lasts a few seconds. I just chalked it up to LEDs being LEDs. Within the last couple of weeks my UPS battery backup in my office started beeping as soon as the lights flicker. My printer that is not on the UPS reboots itself. The backup is on a different circuit than any of the LEDs. We have the same LED canned lights on about 3 other circuits and they all flicker for the same amount of time. My UPS has a utility on Windows that monitors power outages, under voltages, and over voltages. Even though it beeps it does not record anything in any of those categories. I'm at a loss to figure this out. I also checked and my HVAC is not coming on when this happens. Neither is my fridge or air compressor. In fact any of those can come on and the lights don't react. The only other appliance I haven't been able to track is the small freezer we keep in the garage. Nothing else uses a lot of electricity in our house. So I'm thinking if it's not the freezer then it has to be a voltage drop from the transformer? UPDATE: Still no luck Tightening the neutral bar and a few neutrals and grounds in my breaker panel didn't seem to change it. Still did it Mon, Tue, and Wed. I called the power company out and they came out yesterday. He said the neutral at my main was just a little bit loose, but everything else looked good. He did re-tighten it and requested a recording meter from corp, but didn't know if he'd be able to get one of them. So I needed a better way to track them. My CyberPanel UPS software was just the personal edition and wasn't catching it all nor did it keep a log. Looked into the Business edition and it would log every event. So I installed it. Turns out it's happening a lot more than I thought. I thought it might be the freezer out in the garage, but it's unplugged. Only other thing is the hot water heater. You can't tell when it comes on. So I'm going to turn it off today and see if that fixes it. Any other ideas? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/167167/2017-03-23-06-14-00-PowerPanel-Business-Edition----Agent--Logs---Event-Logs--171972.JPG UPDATE 2: It seems to be happening at around the same time every day. Now that I have the UPS logging it I'm starting to see a pattern. Tuesday and Wednesday weren't completely logged, so I was relying on seeing it myself and probably didn't catch them all. The automated logging started at around 7:15 PM Wednesday. If the pattern persists it should happen again tonight around 10:30. Also, I unhooked the water heater at about 11:45 AM Thursday morning to see if that was the culprit but it's not. I've isolated every single appliance at this point, including the TP Link Powerline LAN adapters. I also don't have anything on a schedule like this. My outside lights come on at dusk and off at dawn. So that's not it. Monday 10:38 PM Tuesday 7:33 PM Wednesday 11:19 AM 7:25 PM 10:23 PM Thursday 12:34 AM 3:27 AM 3:34 AM 11:24 AM 7:31 PM Check your ground strap outside. Mine corroded out and looked ok but was hanging on by a thread. I had the same kind of flickering/ ups going off and it ended up taking out two A/C compressors before I figured out what the culprit was. That was an expensive month. |
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What kinda electric meter does your utility have on your meter base ? Is it a new style digital AMR type ?
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I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as others here but a sales guy at Menards once told me I needed special dimmer switches for LED. Don't know if it's true. I mention this because you said it started after you put in LED bulbs.
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I'm not nearly as knowledgeable as others here but a sales guy at Menards once told me I needed special dimmer switches for LED. Don't know if it's true. I mention this because you said it started after you put in LED bulbs. View Quote |
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That alum wire to the transformer is likely not in conduit, probably direct buried. Conduit only goes 18" underground. If the wire got damaged during install the problems could just now be showing up. Hopefully they found the issue in the meter today. View Quote |
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Have you asked your neighbors (on the same transformer) if they get the same problem?
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Ok so right on schedule it just happened again.
I had two volt meters hooked up. Both negatives going to one of the neutral/ground bars and each hot going up to where the legs connect to the panel. So I was measuring the incoming voltage of each phase. Voltage was about 124.5 to 124.9 the entire time. I didn't see it ever drop. Even when the lights flickered. I'm not exactly sure what this tells me and I'm half asleep. Somewhat amusing story... I started video recording both at about 15 minutes before I thought it would happen. My meters have an auto shutoff around 10 minutes I think so at about 9 minutes in I switched them off and back on one at a time. Of course I have IMPECCABLE timing because the lights flickered just as soon as I got the 2nd one turned back on. How is that for luck? |
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Have you asked your neighbors (on the same transformer) if they get the same problem? View Quote |
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if its on both legs and the neighbors are not affected, I would be looking at that View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yep And why would it happen at set intervals during the day if it's a bad connection? |
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I'm just curious, but have any of your neighbors that share the same transformer as you had any issues?
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I'm just curious, but have any of your neighbors that share the same transformer as you had any issues? View Quote It just happened again... right on schedule.... Attached File |
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If the indicated voltage does not change but you're seeing disruptions, it must be a phase change. Power company must be switching something at that time and the phases are slightly off or something like that.
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Digital MM's are not good for catching those fast dips/swings in voltage. It would probably show up better on a cheap analog meter to be honest.
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Digital MM's are not good for catching those fast dips/swings in voltage. It would probably show up better on a cheap analog meter to be honest. View Quote |
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He should be able to set the Min/Max to Min and be more likely to catch a drop. Just watching the display, you are dealing with whatever integration and averaging the meter is using and a blip isn't as easy to see. View Quote |
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did i read it right...they are on a dimmer switch??? If that is the case, that is your prob. dimmers are rated for wattage, some LED lights are dimmable but act weird as F and do goofy shit.
ended up being my issue. My girl bought a cheap ace hardware dimmer...I changed it out to a more expensive dimmer for LED and problem was solved |
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Hmm what else would be periodic?.. sump or ejector pumpon a cycle timer? Hmm you don't have a hot tub do you?
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did i read it right...they are on a dimmer switch??? If that is the case, that is your prob. dimmers are rated for wattage, some LED lights are dimmable but act weird as F and do goofy shit. ended up being my issue. My girl bought a cheap ace hardware dimmer...I changed it out to a more expensive dimmer for LED and problem was solved View Quote Last time I had a bizarre power issue only affecting my house... it turned out to be branches and other vegetation interfering with the lines. Which probably isn't OPs issue. |
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I once had a problem with a client and burning up new well pumps. I finally put a data logger on it and ended being they were at the end of the spur feed and their automatic sprinklers came on the same time as the voltage drops.
7pm at night and 600am in the morning. Right when everybody got home from work or were waking up in the morning. Your times are odd though Voltage drop means higher amps which burns up pump motors. Met with SDG&E with my data and they upgraded the spur. |
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Your neighbor is turning on all his grow lights at the same time...
Serious answer. Before my company moved we were located close to a rock quarry. Evey time they fired up one of their conveyors that were powered by huge electric motors the lights would dim in our office. Someone close to you could have some high loads switching on at the times you noted. |
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Judging by what i can see in the pic, his meters don't have that capability. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He should be able to set the Min/Max to Min and be more likely to catch a drop. Just watching the display, you are dealing with whatever integration and averaging the meter is using and a blip isn't as easy to see. Good news is I talked to the power company again and they are coming out to put a recording meter on it Monday. |
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did i read it right...they are on a dimmer switch??? If that is the case, that is your prob. dimmers are rated for wattage, some LED lights are dimmable but act weird as F and do goofy shit. ended up being my issue. My girl bought a cheap ace hardware dimmer...I changed it out to a more expensive dimmer for LED and problem was solved View Quote |
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Hmm what else would be periodic?.. sump or ejector pumpon a cycle timer? Hmm you don't have a hot tub do you? View Quote Things I've ruled out: - Gas furnace - Electric water heater - A/C - All appliances including the freezer in my garage - hot water recirc pump - Outside lights are on a smart switch that come on at sunset and off at dawn, but those times don't line up with what I'm seeing - All connections in panel are tight - Removed TP link powerline LAN adapters Things still left to check: - Ground rod connection - Unplug UPS battery backup (I work from home and can't unplug it until tonight) |
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What's weird is that I have a 15A air compressor running off of 115V in my garage, and even that doesn't make any of my lights dim when it comes on. Neither does the A/C condenser coming on or the big Marathon water heater.
My lights never dim when things come on. |
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Weird problem. I can't help, but I am interested in the eventual solution. Good luck!
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The dimmers and the LEDs have to be matched to each other.
Older LEDs are not suitable on ANY dimmer. Newer ones will say 'dimmable' on the package somewhere. You then need to look at the manufacturer's full data on the light and determine what type of dimmer it will operate with. Older TRIAC dimmers may not work correctly. If the LED unit starts flashing on and off as it is dimmed you do NOT have the correct combination of LED light and dimmer. |
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It is the gubmint. Getcha a tinfoil helmet, and keep your dogs in the house. (Attempt at humor)
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