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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:22:24 PM EDT
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you demonstrate my point admirably. in the entire 4min handover scene, she speaks 2 lines in english. the rest is in a language that we don't speak, which is the best way to hide mediocre acting since we can't pick up on the differences between verbal and nonverbal communication. it's a running joke in hollywood that if someone can't act, send them overseas because then no one will know the difference. other than that, her performance is all good posture and silence, successfully making her look haughty. that's her niche. unfortunately, the story calls for a lot more than that, and she just isn't strong enough to pull it off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The words that come out are D&D's fault. I think she is great, for instance, in this scene. But those words came from GRRM.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nTj-um1c_oother than that, her performance is all good posture and silence, successfully making her look haughty. that's her niche. unfortunately, the story calls for a lot more than that, and she just isn't strong enough to pull it off. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:25:28 PM EDT
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Tyrion hasn't really had anything to work with since Blackwater. The Ser Friendzone pilgrimage is about it. Dinklage remains a great actor, but by being a great actor it almost takes away from the scenes because it causes Clarke's bad acting to stand out even more than usual. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 5:51:29 PM EDT
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you demonstrate my point admirably. in the entire 4min handover scene, she speaks 2 lines in english. the rest is in a language that we don't speak, which is the best way to hide mediocre acting since we can't pick up on the differences between verbal and nonverbal communication. it's a running joke in hollywood that if someone can't act, send them overseas because then no one will know the difference. other than that, her performance is all good posture and silence, successfully making her look haughty. that's her niche. unfortunately, the story calls for a lot more than that, and she just isn't strong enough to pull it off.  Failed To Load Title I think Emilia is fine in this scene. Not great, but fine. The Tyrion scenes fail because there is no connection. What they should have done is show Dany on the road to making some of the same kind of mistakes that Joffrey did, but Tyrion correcting her, and have a nice contrast between Dany listening to Tyrion's good advice where Joffrey did not, and how it leads to a better result. That would have been some great bonding between the characters and show a great contrast at why Dany should be queen. But D&D don't write anything but "I'm a badass" scenes for her. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:05:50 PM EDT
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Well, they're not getting rid of Ms. Clarke, so y'all might as well accept it and just enjoy the ride. We get it. You don't like her. Too fucking bad. Try watching the show as a fan instead of as an amateur critic, and maybe you'll enjoy it even more than you do already.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:24:38 PM EDT
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I thought the scenes between Tyrion and Ser Friendzone were really good. The one on the beach where they we're talking about Jeor was well done.
The guy who plays Mormont was also really good in Borgia as a crazy priest. I agree though, Clarke isn't helping. I will say this, I'm not sure Tamzin Merchant would've been better as Dany. That's who was originally cast. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:29:38 PM EDT
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Well, they're not getting rid of Ms. Clarke, so y'all might as well accept it and just enjoy the ride. We get it. You don't like her. Too fucking bad. Try watching the show as a fan instead of as an amateur critic, and maybe you'll enjoy it even more than you do already. 
People use to complain about Kit's acting almost as much as Emilia's. However, unlike Emilia, Kit has matured as an actor. He won't be giving Dinklage a run for his money or anything, but there is definitely a noticeable improvement. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:30:43 PM EDT
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Seems I might have touched a nerve.
This might come as a surprise to you, but a good many people that watch the show and it seems the majority of book readers don't like Daenerys. So much so that some think it could have made for a more entertaining story if Daenerys had died and Viserys had lived. You know when the hound was staring into the fire and talking about what he saw... well, I was doing the same thing, only my nose was pressed against the warm plasma screen... and I swear I saw a zombie with a golden head marching toward the castle at the sea... it's got to be him. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:33:06 PM EDT
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There was a small clip with a wolf in it but who knows who's it was. or what it was related to.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:36:09 PM EDT
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No shit Dumb and Dumber aren't getting rid of their golden girl. They'd probably sooner replace all of the Stark siblings than Clarke. However, I don't think some of you Clarke leghumpers are quite getting how horrible her acting is. If it was simply below average I doubt many people would be talking about it, but she's getting dropped from an action movie series because of how bad her acting is. And if her acting stands out as too horrible to cut it in action movies then that really speaks volumes about her attempting to act in a high-end drama loaded with fantastic actors.
People use to complain about Kit's acting almost as much as Emilia's. However, unlike Emilia, Kit has matured as an actor. He won't be giving Dinklage a run for his money or anything, but there is definitely a noticeable improvement. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:37:54 PM EDT
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I thought the scenes between Tyrion and Ser Friendzone were really good. The one on the beach where they we're talking about Jeor was well done. The guy who plays Mormont was also really good in Borgia as a crazy priest. I agree though, Clarke isn't helping. I will say this, I'm not sure Tamzin Merchant would've been better as Dany. That's who was originally cast. As far as Merchant being a better Daenerys than Clarke, that's not really saying much. A porn star that has a Daenerys look to her would probably have made a better Dany.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:38:21 PM EDT
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:38:29 PM EDT
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There was a small clip with a wolf in it but who knows who's it was. or what it was related to.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:42:27 PM EDT
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Her acting might be horrible compared to great actors, but it's not so horrible that it sticks out to a casual fan like me. I just watch and enjoy the show for what it is, rather than pick apart every little detail. I've certainly seen worse acting, although I admit I was probably masturbating at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No shit Dumb and Dumber aren't getting rid of their golden girl. They'd probably sooner replace all of the Stark siblings than Clarke. However, I don't think some of you Clarke leghumpers are quite getting how horrible her acting is. If it was simply below average I doubt many people would be talking about it, but she's getting dropped from an action movie series because of how bad her acting is. And if her acting stands out as too horrible to cut it in action movies then that really speaks volumes about her attempting to act in a high-end drama loaded with fantastic actors.
People use to complain about Kit's acting almost as much as Emilia's. However, unlike Emilia, Kit has matured as an actor. He won't be giving Dinklage a run for his money or anything, but there is definitely a noticeable improvement.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:44:04 PM EDT
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head. I'm not really a hater of Emilia, though. Hell, now that I think of it, Emilia might've been good as Margaery. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:45:35 PM EDT
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head.
Though I wouldn't really say "the right look" is a huge issue. Without the hair, makeup, and wardrobe Clarke doesn't exactly scream "Daenerys Targaryen." |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:54:28 PM EDT
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 6:55:24 PM EDT
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Natalie Dormer would've been a badass Daenerys. She's probably my favorite actress overall. She's also naturally blonde. I'm not really a hater of Emilia, though. Hell, now that I think of it, Emilia might've been good as Margaery. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:01:10 PM EDT
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Her acting is so bad you could just pick any up and coming actress willing to get nekkid. All the time. And do kinky stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:01:33 PM EDT
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Sophie wants Sansa to have a sex scene with Arya. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:04:28 PM EDT
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Too old. Frankly, I thought she was too old for Margaery as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Natalie Dormer would've been a badass Daenerys. She's probably my favorite actress overall. She's also naturally blonde. I'm not really a hater of Emilia, though. Hell, now that I think of it, Emilia might've been good as Margaery.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:05:24 PM EDT
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Ned and I have been saying that pretty much ever since S3. Replace Clarke with one of the thousands of smoking hot 20-something actresses that would be willing to do anything to get their big break and then take the millions of dollars you'd save in salary and apply that towards making battle scenes even more epic and some more direwolf scenes. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:05:58 PM EDT
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Sophie wants Sansa to have a sex scene with Arya.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:08:06 PM EDT
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Happy, are you better at beating little girls than fighting men?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:09:06 PM EDT
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That's not how casting works. You don't cast one of the main protagonists with "just anybody." They took a risk on Emilia being good, and it kinda worked out. But they're making money hand over fist so I don't think they care. Plus, between Jorah, Tywin, Tyrion, Bronn, Jamie, Cersei, the Hound, Mance, Edmure, Eddard, Joffrey, Arya, etc., they've hit so many casting home runs that they still get an A+. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ned and I have been saying that pretty much ever since S3. Replace Clarke with one of the thousands of smoking hot 20-something actresses that would be willing to do anything to get their big break and then take the millions of dollars you'd save in salary and apply that towards making battle scenes even more epic and some more direwolf scenes.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:12:36 PM EDT
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That's kind of an Eric Stratton style argument there, but okay. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:12:50 PM EDT
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She's 35, playing a character who in the books is 14, probably aged up to about 17-18 for the show. It just wasn't convincing to me. If she looked like she did when she was Anne Boleyn in The Tudors she would have been perfect. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Happy, are you better at beating little girls than fighting men?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:22:11 PM EDT
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No one's really come up with a good name since I asked the question. That's pretty much the answer. They had to take some risks with casting. Kit is turning out better than Emilia, but Emilia is hardly ruining the show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's kind of an Eric Stratton style argument there, but okay. I guess if you need specific names you could call up some talent agencies and pretend to be a casting director.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:28:29 PM EDT
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It wasn't THAT significant. She was a 28-29 year old cast to play a 16-17 year old in the books. "The girl is a maid of fourteen, sweet and beautiful and tractable, and Lord Renly and Ser Loras intend that Robert should bed her, wed her, and make a new queen." - Varys, A Game of Thrones. Given how long the series was known to be, they should have gotten someone on the south side of 25. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:33:26 PM EDT
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I thought the scenes between Tyrion and Ser Friendzone were really good. The one on the beach where they we're talking about Jeor was well done. and the whole dwarf's penny storyline was a combination of funny and sad
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Posted: 7/20/2017 7:36:07 PM EDT
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It was. "The girl is a maid of fourteen, sweet and beautiful and tractable, and Lord Renly and Ser Loras intend that Robert should bed her, wed her, and make a new queen." - Varys, A Game of Thrones. Given how long the series was known to be, they should have gotten someone on the south side of 25. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It wasn't THAT significant. She was a 28-29 year old cast to play a 16-17 year old in the books. "The girl is a maid of fourteen, sweet and beautiful and tractable, and Lord Renly and Ser Loras intend that Robert should bed her, wed her, and make a new queen." - Varys, A Game of Thrones. Given how long the series was known to be, they should have gotten someone on the south side of 25. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:17:07 PM EDT
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Refresh my memory; what scene was it where they were trash talking the US?
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:21:13 PM EDT
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Refresh my memory; what scene was it where they were trash talking the US?
 The Otter Defense Edit: also some people said Dontos' armor was meant to be a slight. Kind of a stretch, IMO. 
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:37:39 PM EDT
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Hell, Schwartzenegger was a great Conan and he had about a page of dialogue for the whole movie. you keep making my point for me. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:40:22 PM EDT
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That was the first book and Margaery didn't appear in it. In the books Margaery was born in 283 AC and Renly was ghosted in 299 AC putting her around 16 when she first appears in the books. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 8:43:06 PM EDT
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So, for the Emilia haters, who would you pick? I can't think of someone better who has the right look off of the top of my head. amanda seyfried would have crushed it. edit: porrun from vikings. emily browning from sucker punch. alicia vikander. margot robbie was a soap opera actress in australia when GOT debuted. melanie thierry. imogen poots from centurion and 28 weeks later. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:03:17 PM EDT
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so even 1980s schwartzenegger can act those scenes well? you keep making my point for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hell, Schwartzenegger was a great Conan and he had about a page of dialogue for the whole movie. you keep making my point for me. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:11:19 PM EDT
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Varys refers to her as 14 shortly before Ned loses his head. Renly married her almost immediately thereafter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That was the first book and Margaery didn't appear in it. In the books Margaery was born in 283 AC and Renly was ghosted in 299 AC putting her around 16 when she first appears in the books. If you want to keep discussing subjective things like Clarke's acting abilities I'll have a merry time of it. As far as Margaery's age when we actually first see her though...
 That's not an opinion, it's a fact !!! |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:34:37 PM EDT
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Margaery was born in 283 AC and when we first see her it was right before Renly was killed. Renly was killed in 299 AC. Thus putting Margaery's age around 16 when we first see her. Not when she is mentioned off screen mind you. If you want to keep discussing subjective things like Clarke's acting abilities I'll have a merry time of it. As far as Margaery's age when we actually first see her though...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:39:19 PM EDT
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so even 1980s schwartzenegger can act those scenes well? you keep making my point for me. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:42:33 PM EDT
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Holy shit, are you guys going to ruin this thread too? We get it, Emilia Clark sucks. Oh well.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:42:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/20/2017 9:57:41 PM EDT
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It's probably an inconsistency. AWOIAF tries to reconcile but I'm not sure their dates work out. In any event, she is at most 15 at the tourney where she meets Cat and we first see her. Cat says she is "no older than Robb" who was 15 at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Margaery was born in 283 AC and when we first see her it was right before Renly was killed. Renly was killed in 299 AC. Thus putting Margaery's age around 16 when we first see her. Not when she is mentioned off screen mind you. If you want to keep discussing subjective things like Clarke's acting abilities I'll have a merry time of it. As far as Margaery's age when we actually first see her though...
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:06:31 PM EDT
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Holy shit, are you guys going to ruin this thread too? We get it, Emilia Clark sucks. Oh well.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:12:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat would mean Arya traveled about half the distance from the Twins to King's Landing. I would say that would support the theory of her NOT returning to Winterfell, but with jetpacks apparently readily available in Westeros who knows?
Either way, I hope we get a "Winterhell" reference.
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:15:20 PM EDT
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That would mean Arya traveled about half the distance from the Twins to King's Landing. I would say that would support the theory of her NOT returning to Winterfell, but with jetpacks apparently readily available in Westeros who knows?
Either way, I hope we get a "Winterhell" reference. Either she hasn't heard, or she's too caught up in red vengeance to care at the moment. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:16:51 PM EDT
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Holy shit, are you guys going to ruin this thread too? We get it, Emilia Clark sucks. Oh well.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:24:58 PM EDT
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With over a thousand characters it's bound to happen, but I'm not sure we can take what another character says they observe or heard as gospel though. I mean multiple times characters stated who Jon's mother was. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:27:05 PM EDT
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And Supposedly got her Sex Education from game of thrones supposedly she did not know what blow jobs were per one interview. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sophie wants Sansa to have a sex scene with Arya. Of course this is the same girl that said she enjoyed filming the Ramsay rape scene. Upon further reflection on this episode, I feel like aside from 1 great sequence (Winter Came/The North Remembered), there was a ton of wasted time. There aren't very many episodes left, and they are dicking around with a Sam Family Guy Montage, no combat, no betrayal (besides Baelish noticing a split between Sansa and Jon), so 5 minutes of Arya, 20 seconds of Mormont being a better Badass Female Character than Dragontits has the whole series, some comedy from Euron and credits. Now the Pre-Opening Sequence is one of the best of the series (right there with S1E1 and the Watch), but the rest of the episode was a waste. As for those bitching about us hating Dragontits, have you read the books? because as far as I'm concerned I hate her as a character as much as an actress. They should have done what was suggested and just completely changed the timeline, if they are gonna cut so many important things. Kill Dragontits instead of Viserys, Kill Snow for real, Robb is resurrected after the Red Wedding, Stannis dies at Kings Landing... go crazy. |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:32:41 PM EDT
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Thats both extremely sad and disturbing. Upon further reflection on this episode, I feel like aside from 1 great sequence (Winter Came/The North Remembered), there was a ton of wasted time. There aren't very many episodes left, and they are dicking around with a Sam Family Guy Montage, no combat, no betrayal (besides Baelish noticing a split between Sansa and Jon), so 5 minutes of Arya, 20 seconds of Mormont being a better Badass Female Character than Dragontits has the whole series, some comedy from Euron and credits. Now the Pre-Opening Sequence is one of the best of the series (right there with S1E1 and the Watch), but the rest of the episode was a waste. As for those bitching about us hating Dragontits, have you read the books? because as far as I'm concerned I hate her as a character as much as an actress. They should have done what was suggested and just completely changed the timeline, if they are gonna cut so many important things. Kill Dragontits instead of Viserys, Kill Snow for real, Robb is resurrected after the Red Wedding, Stannis dies at Kings Landing... go crazy. Link 1 Or Link 2 |
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Posted: 7/20/2017 10:33:36 PM EDT
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Maybe it will be there that she learns that Jon and Sansa have taken back the North. Either she hasn't heard, or she's too caught up in red vengeance to care at the moment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That would mean Arya traveled about half the distance from the Twins to King's Landing. I would say that would support the theory of her NOT returning to Winterfell, but with jetpacks apparently readily available in Westeros who knows?
Either way, I hope we get a "Winterhell" reference. Either she hasn't heard, or she's too caught up in red vengeance to care at the moment. |
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