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Posted: 2/26/2017 5:03:36 AM EDT
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Datalinks are cheaper than top shelf sensors. They aren't cheaper than a GPS/INS chip. When fighting against a peer opponent, getting rid of terminal guidance on the weapon is not a winning idea either. Exactly. We need a modular system with swap-able guidance units so that we can tailor the weapon package (and it's cost) to the target type. You don't need a datalink or sensor package to put a bomb on a factory or a runway but a GPS package is not useful against a moving tank column. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 5:18:06 AM EDT
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Fuck it, let's just start dropping GPS guided overfilled porta-shitters from surveillance blimps.
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Posted: 2/26/2017 6:29:37 AM EDT
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So Hassan gets an Edsel up his ass? I can live with that. All the Edsels should find a new home. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 6:30:39 AM EDT
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Fuck it, let's just start dropping GPS guided overfilled porta-shitters from surveillance blimps. That's not a bad idea. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 7:21:41 AM EDT
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ROFL! So basically a typical airborne Infantry heavy drop? 
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Mk44_Lazy_Dog_bomb.png/467px-Mk44_Lazy_Dog_bomb.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure how you get much cheaper than a JDAM kit. And I'm not sure how you would make a dumb (but still smart enough) bomb more simple than a JDAM. Guidance fins on old telephone poles. Serious. Think about it. They expect us to bomb them. JDAMs are sooooo 2001. Imagine how terrifying it would be to stand there talking to Mula Koba Fuckface one minute, and then -FUMP- he's stuffed 10 feet in the desert floor under a creosote post. When they get over the shock of it, just start rolling pallets of telephone poles off of c-17s and c-5s at 30k feet. Fuck em. Next month, we'll just dumb drop old cars and shit. So basically a typical airborne Infantry heavy drop?
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazy_Dog_(bomb) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Mk44_Lazy_Dog_bomb.png/467px-Mk44_Lazy_Dog_bomb.png From the Wiki: Experimental Lazy Dog projectiles of various shapes and sizes were tested at Air Proving Ground, Eglin AFB, Florida, in late 1951 and early 1952. An F-84 flying at 400 knots and 75 feet (23 m) above the ground served as the test bed while a jeep and a B-24 were the targets. The result was eight hits per square yard. Tests revealed Shapes 2 and 5 to be the most effective. Shape 5, an improved basic Lazy Dog slug, had the force of a .50 caliber bullet and could penetrate 24 inches (61 cm) of packed sand. Shape 2 could penetrate 12 inches (30 cm) of sand — twice as much as a .45 caliber slug fired point blank. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 10:57:10 AM EDT
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Googled "Rods from God" and came up with a 404. Anybody got the Cliffs version? But I like the general idea of dropping random shit from high altitude to fuck up whole areas. We breed dogs, I bet we could generate a lot of dog crap. Freeze it and drop it. Also all the waste from slaughtering pigs, same thing. Probably stay frozen all the way down, break up whatever it hits, and then thaw out and nobody would want to clean it up.... because it's pig guts. Plus I bet the smell would be offal. 1911fan "Rods from God" is an idiotic fantasy that won't die. The idea is to drop telephone size poles of tungsten from orbit. There's never any explanation about how the weapons would be guided, or how a guidance package would survive re-entry, or the surviving mass after re-entry. You haven't missed much. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:04:29 AM EDT
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Exactly. We need a modular system with swap-able guidance units so that we can tailor the weapon package (and it's cost) to the target type. You don't need a datalink or sensor package to put a bomb on a factory or a runway but a GPS package is not useful against a moving tank column. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Datalinks are cheaper than top shelf sensors. They aren't cheaper than a GPS/INS chip. When fighting against a peer opponent, getting rid of terminal guidance on the weapon is not a winning idea either. Exactly. We need a modular system with swap-able guidance units so that we can tailor the weapon package (and it's cost) to the target type. You don't need a datalink or sensor package to put a bomb on a factory or a runway but a GPS package is not useful against a moving tank column. What is the break even cost for dropping zillions of conventional bombs from many airplanes over many missions for a low probability of kill against dropping enough bombs to kill or deny the target with no more bombs than necessary in one mission with a handful of airplanes? Modern weapons use GPS and INS hand in hand for dramatic results. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:08:04 AM EDT
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This is now actually the second time the navy lab has ripped my shit. Idgaf as long as you cite. But the fact that i work with them on multiple projects as a favor to them... Sorry fuckers, you just lost your Seeker and AI SME. Have fun explaining to your Admiral why half your portfolio just camr to a screeching halt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Judging from context I'm guessing that the graphic is also your work. I sincerely hope your burn their shit to the ground and piss on the ashes. This is now actually the second time the navy lab has ripped my shit. Idgaf as long as you cite. But the fact that i work with them on multiple projects as a favor to them... Sorry fuckers, you just lost your Seeker and AI SME. Have fun explaining to your Admiral why half your portfolio just camr to a screeching halt. I am often amazed by USN presentations I find on line, especially from the labs. Crane seems to be especially lax. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:12:11 AM EDT
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Less smart bombs more saturation. Best thing I've heard in a while is our JTAC calling an A-10 on station with "30mm and wall to wall Mk-82."
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:17:13 AM EDT
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We should just go back to dumb bombs & just obliterate entire grid squares...  Back to: "fire for effect over". 
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:23:58 AM EDT
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We should have both capabilities.
Imagine a day when all comms all encryption, all "smart" devices are compromised. We need independent meatbag brain, sight and dumb bomb capabilities at a high enough rate to win the day. Or we will be the Iraqi army on the highway of death immediately. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:30:20 AM EDT
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If cycles are true, total war will make a comeback now and then.
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:31:06 AM EDT
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If cycles are true, total war will make a comeback now and then.
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:38:02 AM EDT
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@Madcap72 Imagine going to a KLE with a tribe you know is shady, and their tribal 2ic shows up. You're like, "where's the chief?" And they're like "He got his head caved in last week with the intake manifold off a 67 olds..." 
And you're like, "AWW MAN, I'VE BEEN LOOKIN' FOR ONE OF THOSE!" http://cdn0.dailydot.com/cache/75/b6/75b6aa9d94bf3bef87bcc953f98f5049.jpg  It would be nice to have pick-n-pull bid on contracts. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:43:59 AM EDT
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We should just go back to dumb bombs & just obliterate entire grid squares... As a former gunbunny, I approve of this message. |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 11:53:21 AM EDT
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We should just go back to dumb bombs & just obliterate entire grid squares... |
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Posted: 2/26/2017 12:13:19 PM EDT
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So a dumb bomb....that's smart enough to share guidance data from a sensor network and make corrections in flight will be a ton cheaper than a JDAM that receives location data for a couple dollar chip and makes corrections in flight?  This was my first thought as well. Cheaper usually isn't the biggest consideration of new systems... Even if you accepted the cost as part of an upgrade, it's hard to imagine the upgrade being substantial. We waste money on this BS, but as the other thread points out, we are one of the few countries on earth without GLCM and ground launched ASCMs... |
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