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Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:20:27 AM EDT
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Vodka martini is wrong martini.
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Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:24:26 AM EDT
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What is with the Bombay Sapphire hate? I usually use it for Gin and Tonic's w/ Fever Tree tonic water and some Cointreau.
Hendricks is great for the Vesper.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:34:55 AM EDT
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Yes, and it tastes like very cold vodka.  A properly made martini with gin, stirred, is much better.  

If you shake it you lose the flavors in the gin.
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You mean you lose the flavor of salted kerosene? Man, I'd hate to lose those flavors
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:36:08 AM EDT
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While reading these replies, I'm wondering to myself who HASN'T had a bad gin experience?

January 1995.  Not a drop since.  
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Staple of my dad in the summer months is a gin and tonic. I've since drank gin and tonics all over the world and dont see myself stopping. My favorite is the Hendricks G&T garnished with cucumber.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:38:50 AM EDT
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Gin smells like turpentine and tastes even worse.  Vodka is where it's at.

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This.  

Vodka Martini, three olives, dirty.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:47:34 AM EDT
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I've had two perfectly-made Vesper martinis in my life.  If done right, I can drink them all night...or until I pass out or throw up.
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I've found this to be the case with a lot of drinks. I like a gimlet with a good gin and freshly made lime cordial. Not Rose's lime juice Done right, I can drink those until things go sideways.


Link Posted: 2/16/2017 9:55:46 AM EDT
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Vodka is utterly tasteless to me. Good gin, on the other hand, has an amazing range of flavors.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:01:54 AM EDT
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The way I make a dry Vodka Martini-

Put ice in the shaker.
Pour in 3 or 4 ounces of Vermouth.
Shake.
Pour Vermouth down the drain. Ice and shaker are now coated with Vermouth.
Fill shaker with desired amount of Ketel One.
Shake well.
Pour into Martini Glass.
Sometimes an Olive, sometimes not.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:05:57 AM EDT
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Personally, I love dirty vodka martinis.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:17:14 AM EDT
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FPNI
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:20:33 AM EDT
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Again I ask the question....Was the Vodka Martini in the films a flub?
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 10:42:28 AM EDT
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I've had a proper vespar martini on several occasions. It's ok but I'm not much of a gin guy. I do like a dirty vodka martini with a shot of Tabasco and blue cheese stuffed olives on rare occasions. I'm more of a bourbon/scotch drinker.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:06:52 AM EDT
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I'm a huge fan of the Vesper. The Lillet Blanc isn't the same as the original Kina Lillet (I've also been using it). They took out the quinine. I was just doing some research, apparently Cocchi Americano is a closer substitute. Going to have to try it.
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Thank you, sir!

Or sirs.

For recommending the Cocchi Americano.

The next time I am by the liquor store, I will have to get a bottle.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:11:40 AM EDT
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I love her. Would marry.

She has a good nude scene in 300 rise of a nation.

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Doesn't it have <strong>Kina Lillet</strong> instead of vermouth? Some kind of Citrus based liquor?

Real vodka martinis are gross. Had a girl order me one as a joke once- bartender thought she was crazy. I couldn't finish it.


I have used Lillet Blanc before to make the Vesper martini:

<a href="http://www.spiritsoffrance.com.au/441-thickbox/lillet-blanc-white-french-aperitif-bordeaux-17-750ml.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.spiritsoffrance.com.au/441-thickbox/lillet-blanc-white-french-aperitif-bordeaux-17-750ml.jpg</a>

I have no idea if that is supposed to be the proper replacement for Kina Lillet.

It really doesn't turn my crank as far as martinis go.

Eva Green, on the other hand, she could turn my crank any time:

<a href="http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.bNh_0iihMUapTTn-ASNB6ADhEs&w=166&h=221&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=4&pid=1.7" target="_blank">http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.bNh_0iihMUapTTn-ASNB6ADhEs&w=166&h=221&c=7&qlt=90&o=4&dpr=4&pid=1.7</a>


I love her. Would marry.

She has a good nude scene in 300 rise of a nation.

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She has about 20 nude scenes in Sin City 2.

Nice set.  One of those "wow, way bigger tits on that skinny girl than I thought" women.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:22:52 AM EDT
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Vesper for the win.  Gordons Gin, three parts, Kina Lillet, Vodka one part, zest of lemon, stirred or shaken. 

I have all the fixings at my bar right now.  I shall have one tonight!

May as well have a game plan, I shall then have  dirty Gordons martini on the rocks, followed by an Old Fashion, and then a Caucasion.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:28:56 AM EDT
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I thoroughly enjoy a vodka, up, slightly dirty with two blue cheese olives and so cold there is a layer of slush on top.

I prefer Chopin if possible.  Goose is OK in a pinch.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:52:03 AM EDT
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A shaken, not stirred vodka martini would be perfect...... if it were gin and stirred.  Much like I would eat sushi....if it were beef and cooked.

A properly made gin martini is one of God's signs He loves us.  I prefer Hendricks Gin but whatever you like, go with it.

One thing I cannot stand are the various bars and restaurants that have "Martini Menus."  I went to a place recently that boasted they had 80 martinis to choose from.  I was already in a mood and got into a discussion with the bartender.  

"If there is only one martini, how can you have a menu of them?"

"Well, we have cosmos, appletinis, espresso martinis, chocolate martinis..."

"Just because you serve it in a martini glass, does NOT make it a martini anymore than me wearing a Patriots jersey makes me Tom fucking Brady."

Mr. Hipster was confused and retreated to the safety of the other end of the bar.

I know this isn't life or death.  This is much more serious than that.  This is alcohol.  My main reason for living.  Don't fuck up my main reason for living.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:53:39 AM EDT
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the JB martini made with Lillet sucks.

a decent martini, properly made is a thing of joy.

one doesn't actually pour vermouth, one simply says the word over the ice.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 11:57:34 AM EDT
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I know this isn't life or death.  This is much more serious than that.  This is alcohol.  My main reason for living.  Don't fuck up my main reason for living.
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Sig line material right there.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 2:34:16 PM EDT
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Again I ask the question....Was the Vodka Martini in the films a flub?
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Again you are answered: Yes iit's a flub. A Martini is Gin and Vermouth. Nothing else.

A vodka martini is like a pork roast beef.  It just isn't.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 2:42:59 PM EDT
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Again you are answered: Yes iit's a flub. A Martini is Gin and Vermouth. Nothing else.

A vodka martini is like a pork roast beef.  It just isn't.
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So the one he ordered in Casino Royale was correct then?
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It's been years since I read it.
A Martini is gin, vermouth, with an optional olive garnish. That's it; anything else is something else.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 2:47:08 PM EDT
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It's been years since I read it.
A Martini is gin, vermouth, with an optional olive garnish. That's it; anything else is something else.
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Vesper Martini directed by James Bond
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 2:57:14 PM EDT
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Don't be that way, man.  Grey Goose martini, slightly dirty, with two blue cheese stuffed olives .
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I will raise you.  Use Tito's, make it medium dirty, two blue cheese olives from the local olive grower here in AZ, and a twist of lemon.   The vermouth cork only gets waved over the top of the shaker.

To do it REALLY well, keep the vodka in the freezer before you pull it out for mixing.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 2:59:52 PM EDT
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If there isn't a substantial amount of vermouth, then it isn't a martini.
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Sir Winston Churchill said that the closest he ever wanted vermouth to his martini was to have the bottle on the far side of the room...
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:01:42 PM EDT
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And, gin is delicious.  Tanqueray and Bombay (NOT Sapphire) are the best.
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Gin reminds me of sticking my head into a juniper bush and munching on the branches
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:13:16 PM EDT
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Yes, and it tastes like very cold vodka.  A properly made martini with gin, stirred, is much better.  

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This.  Bombay sapphire "up" with a twist.
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He is correct.

Vodka martini's are an abomination, drank by pussies who can't handle gin like a man.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:23:31 PM EDT
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late to the party....

Nevermind
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:27:34 PM EDT
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If i cant pour it into a glass and drink what comes out...no ice or other perversions....its not for me.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:28:15 PM EDT
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Gin is poison and disgusting.

I'll drink anything alcoholic but that.
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Cold Gin is the official drink of the KISS ARMY!

Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:39:23 PM EDT
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It's been years since I read it.
A Martini is gin, vermouth, with an optional olive garnish. That's it; anything else is something else.
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Actually, it is supposed to have a drop or two of (Angostura-incorrect...wrong bitter) orange bitters in it. The bitters smooth out the flavor and bring everything together.

Bitters are used in Cocktails much more often than people think. You just do,not taste them much because they serve as a binding component of many drinks.
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Actually, it is supposed to have a drop or two of Angostura bitters in it. The bitters smooth out the flavor and bring everything together.

Bitters are used in Cocktails much more often than people think. You just do,not taste them much because they serve as a binding component of many drinks.
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It's been years since I read it.
A Martini is gin, vermouth, with an optional olive garnish. That's it; anything else is something else.

Actually, it is supposed to have a drop or two of Angostura bitters in it. The bitters smooth out the flavor and bring everything together.

Bitters are used in Cocktails much more often than people think. You just do,not taste them much because they serve as a binding component of many drinks.


I use three dashes of orange bitters myself.
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 3:53:08 PM EDT
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Sir Winston Churchill said that the closest he ever wanted vermouth to his martini was to have the bottle on the far side of the room...
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If there isn't a substantial amount of vermouth, then it isn't a martini.

Sir Winston Churchill said that the closest he ever wanted vermouth to his martini was to have the bottle on the far side of the room...


Then he didn't actually like or drink martinis, just chilled gin in a fancy glass.
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Which I would lean to myself. Despite the very small quantity, bitters really enhance a martini.

ETA: I highly suggest a book called "Death & Co" by David Kaplan. Death and Co is one of the top Cocktail bars around and the book has tons of info from technique to Cocktail construction. Excellent and worth every penny.
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Good video!

He missed the bitters though.
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There was a hotel out here that made a thing out of the martini Daniel Craig orders in 'Quantum of Solace' when the movie came out - three parts Gordon's gin, one part vodka, one part white wine vermouth. Was pretty awful in reality. I prefer vodka martinis.
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When i used to hang out it bars and some drunk would be out of line ordering shots, I'd suggest a "gin n vodka"...Can't recall anyone ever having 2.  Saw several guys go straight to the bathroom or a trash can after one.  I suppose you can mix em right but it takes good liquor, and just the right mix, I think I've only ever had one combo gin/vodka martini worth drinking ever.  Now a martini w/ blue cheese or garlic stufffed olives, a dirty martini, etc those can be damn delicious
Link Posted: 2/16/2017 5:17:52 PM EDT
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Only way to martini is Mexican Martini.
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Where is TrojanMan? This is pretty much his thing...
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You shove the glass in your waistband at the front of your jeans?
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Vodka martini is wrong martini.


There's no such thing as a "vodka martini."  A Martini is made with Gin.

Now a Vesper...  THAT is a decent cocktail.


Consider, if you will, the existential plea: “Waiter. Two dry martinis — up, with a twist — please.”
No. Wait. Consider this: “Five dry martinis symbolizing the decline of the West — up with twist.”

I recently had the opportunity to reprise the decline of the West using the history of the dry martini as a proxy for Western civilization. This was accomplished with the aid of a barmaid who poured five simultaneous-but-historically-diverse martinis — each with a gin-to-vermouth ratio considered daringly dry in its day. Liquid representatives of The Gilded Age, The Jazz Age, The Greatest Generation, The Worst Generation and The Postmodern Age were arranged on the bar in chronological order for this tour of the decline of the Western martini.

To standardize test conditions, each cocktail was ordered “up with twist” and “stirred not shaken.” As a group these cocktails represent the death march of a great culture: first to achievement, then to excess.

For the purpose of this experiment vodka martinis were eliminated from consideration — a decision that sparked derision in some circles, but none we care about.

Here are the recipes used:
“The Gilded Age” (c. 1895-1920) • 3 parts dry gin • 1 part dry vermouth
“The Jazz Age” (c. 1920-1940) • 5 parts dry gin • 1 part dry vermouth
“The Greatest Generation” (c. 1940-1965) • 7 parts dry gin • 1 part dry vermouth
“The Worst Generation” (c. 1965-1985) • 15 parts dry gin • 1 part dry vermouth
“The Postmodern Age” (c. 1985-present) • 3 ounces of gin • whisper the word “vermouth” over the shaker

What We Learned
We learned that America’s rise to supremacy over Western civilization — like the decline in the vermouth content of the martini over the same span of years — led first to exhilaration and power, then to depravity and despair. And we learned that 7 parts gin to 1 part vermouth is probably about right.

Western civilization can be understood as a ballet in two acts: the European todtentanz that preceded the discovery of the martini and the American shim-sham-shimmy that followed. The pivotal moment occurred in 1895 when a visually challenged bartender in Sandusky, Ohio, accidentally poured gin and vermouth into an obstructed funnel and served the resulting aperitif to an unsuspecting Amish farmer who had ordered a champagne cocktail.

Contemporaneous accounts do not speak to the gin-vermouth ratio of the Sandusky martini. And the later recollections of witnesses differ widely. The patron who consumed the seminal martini wrote in his memoirs that he had no memory of the evening at all. The unknown fraction is a subject of bitter discord to this day. Although many have tried, orthodoxy has never been successfully imposed on the martini class.

Why the Martini?
The martini glass can be seen as an evolutionary (if you believe in that sort of thing) signpost marking the human transition to a higher life form from the lower strata of animal life (and perhaps of vegetable life). Indeed the desire for a good, dry martini has the potential to span the political divide if only it weren’t for Harry Reid. It is what sets humans apart from the apes and the dolphins.

When I was young I was taught that the trait that made Man unique was the ability to make and use tools. This was a handy definition and one well liked by Man as it tended to make him look good. But the resulting sense of self-worth was revealed to be a house of cards. This came crashing down when scientists made an amazing discovery: certain highly advanced monkeys were in the habit of stripping unwanted appendages from twigs. These “tools” were inserted into ant holes and quickly removed. The resultant ants were then licked off by the genius monkeys. It was considered a delicacy. This discovery (in combination with the feminist movement) threw male self-esteem into a nosedive from which it will not soon recover. Our tax dollars are spent primarily to promote scientific discoveries such as this one.

Yet this “science” founders on the fact that Man is the only known member of the animal kingdom with the documented ability to make and consume a martini.

The Driest Martini: A Rope of Sand
All of the above can lead to but one sad conclusion: the supremacy of the dry martini is under attack. Not only by those who would substitute vodka for gin. Or chocolate syrup for vermouth. (Much could be said about those perversions but that will have to wait for another day.) No, the deconstruction of the martini by moral relativists goes well beyond even a recipe change, and flies in the face of a literal reading of the word “cocktail.”

The earliest attempts to codify the martini formula were less than ambitious.

A late Victorian martini text stated: Martini Medium: 2 parts dry gin to 1 part dry vermouth Dry: 3 parts dry gin to 1 part dry vermouth 3 to 1.  A ratio against which freethinking men, and newly emancipated women, were bound to rebel. The seeds of discontent were sown.

The Living Martini
In the early years — prior to the Great War — champions of a strict constructionist interpretation of the martini withstood the winds of change that howled around them, clinging to the mantle of legitimacy and stifling a nascent movement of iconoclasts. But practitioners of originalism could not withstand the Jazz Age — and the undeniable fact that the 6-to-1 martini was actually a vast improvement over the 3-to-1. As Plato pointed out, “only a fool could disagree.”

The American century would also be the martini century. A century dominated by a martini not bound by a precise written formula. The tablets had been broken. The temple lay in ruins. The genie declined to return to its bottle.

And, as with the corrosive force of abstraction in 20th-century art, the march toward dry extremism could not be resisted. If 6-to-1 was good, would not 7-to-1 be better? (It was.) Just as 6 begat 7, 7 begat 8. And how could those who once advocated 8 then attempt to stand in the way of 9 without being branded hypocrites? So in 1967, when 9 gave way to 10, not a single eyebrow was raised. And in short order an alliance between the moral relativists and the logical extremists (the same coalition that produced the counterculture) led to ratios of 15-to-1 and higher.

The Joke
The final assault on the dry martini came from within. The virus was homegrown.

The joke went something like this: I would like a martini so dry that the bartender need merely whisper the word “vermouth” over the shaker.

The joke was meant to be self-deprecating: “I am such a lush that I drink straight gin.” Apparently martini drinkers used to find this funny. But even after the Thin Man movies had left the theaters, the joke remained. And by the Eisenhower administration the joke was not just a joke. It had crossed the line that separates humorous exaggeration from cocktail dogma. This dogma is the true author of the chemical formula for the modern dry martini. The slippery slope had been slipped upon. The emperor had no clothes. The dominoes had fallen.

By the time I began ordering martinis in the late seventies, some bartenders were metering the degree of martini dryness with eyedroppers and perfume atomizers. The impending void was inevitable.

When is a Martini Not a Martini?
Studies now show that the contemporary American martini has a greater likelihood of a 1-to-0 ratio of gin to vermouth than any other proportion. If you do the math, that works out to be a glass of straight gin. The mind boggles. Prior to recent history the voluntary consumption of straight gin was strictly confined to the uncouth. It was, in fact, the very definition of gauche. The slums of 18th-century London famously demonstrated this point. But in the lost and dying world of today the martini class has been taught that straight gin — far from being the preferred beverage of the loutish — is the embodiment of sophistication. The modern martini drinker is either too ignorant to know better or too fashion conscious to speak the truth — that the martini of our time is God-awful.

Each American generation has felt the need to drink a dryer martini than did the generation that came before. It is this twisted mockery of the American dream that has led to the present state of affairs. A glass of straight gin can now be served without warning as a martini.

The deconstruction of the dry martini is now complete. Even in the best case one’s martini ambitions cannot be realized absent meticulous instruction to the bartender. Harder cases may necessitate a Platonic dialogue. And, when best efforts are greeted with blank stares, cultural reeducation may be the only solution. So I call on the martini tastemakers and cognoscenti to spread the word: no gratuity should be given for martinis without vermouth. It’s not too late to prove the fatalists wrong. The alternative is mixing your own drinks.
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Plymouth Navy Strength is about the best gin in the world. Mix no less than 50 gin to 50 fever tree Mediterranean Tonic and a fresh lime slice. Simultaneously best and most dangerous cocktail in the world.  
I would put Leydon's gin and Italian Malfy gin up there as well.  Used to be Bombay and Tanq, but you're missing out if you haven't had Plymouth Navy Strength or Malfy
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I'm partial to Martini Henrys and Martini Enfields myself. But a good 3-1 Gin/Vermouth with a dash of bitters will do nicely.
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I've never seen a martini stirred at any bar I've been to in 12 countries.

Had a lot of martinis though. Extra dirty.
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I've never seen a martini stirred at any bar I've been to in 12 countries.
Most people don't ask for it that way, and it's easier for the bartender to make them "shaken."

But I can assure you, we don't own these things for no reason:



Had a lot of martinis though. Extra dirty.


Dirty is disgusting.  Once you witness the bartender tipping the filthy olive tray over your drink, you'll stop that practice.
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You shove the glass in your waistband at the front of your jeans?
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You shove the glass in your waistband at the front of your jeans?




It's like a dirty magarita, only better and bigger since it's from Texas.
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Yep, wouldn't want to lose those delicious hints of Windex.
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Yep, wouldn't want to lose those delicious hints of Windex.
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Yes, and it tastes like very cold vodka.  A properly made martini with gin, stirred, is much better.  

If you shake it you lose the flavors in the gin.
Yep, wouldn't want to lose those delicious hints of Windex.


I don't know what bathtub gin you've been drinking. Good gin is as delicious as it is dangerous.  
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Martini's are like tits.

1 is not enough

2 is awesome

3 shits gets crazy
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