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Posted: 2/2/2017 8:41:54 AM EDT
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Winchester Mdl 70 in .458 WinMag is the rifle you seek!
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Posted: 2/2/2017 8:57:18 AM EDT
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E in .375 H&H.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:33:16 AM EDT
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It has came to my attention that Winchester Safari Expresses are cheaper than I though. I could grab one in .416 rigby pretty easy. Hmm...TO MANY OPTIONS! No contest. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:34:39 AM EDT
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It has came to my attention that Winchester Safari Expresses are cheaper than I though. I could grab one in .416 rigby pretty easy. Hmm...TO MANY OPTIONS!  Winnie 70 is a standard (thutty-aught-six) length action; the .416 RIGBY needs a true magnum receiver. A .416 REMINGTON MAGNUM fits.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:36:37 AM EDT
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A. Ruger African with muzzle break in 375 for all your reasons. I had one in 338 Win Mag which I recently sold because I was not going to be using it in the near future. I know it is serious quality and had a super trigger. I also like the CZ. As you said, control feed is a big deal. Also, the 375 is legal all around. BRAKE. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:40:21 AM EDT
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Get the manlicker.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:59:39 AM EDT
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Get the manlicker.  
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:00:44 AM EDT
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Winchester M70 in .375 H&H
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:02:43 AM EDT
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My dad is very fond of his blaser set. Not everything over there requires a howitzer. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:59:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe really put a lot of time into the appearance of that rifle. Way more than I ever would have thought of doing. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:18:01 AM EDT
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E in .375 h&h. It's a great round that you can hunt North America with as well and is pretty common. Then save up some money and go on a non-trophy package hunt in South Africa or Namibia. Surprisingly affordable compared to paid trophy hunts in our hemisphere plus you'll take more animals. You will thank yourself. Double rifles aren't typically the most accurate beyond 50-100 yards and may require having the barrels regulated multiple times depending on how much you shoot it. They have a purpose and are awesome but can also be a major pain in the ass from what I've read. Holy shit.... 8 days in Namibia is cheaper than a guided hunt in Montanna! 
http://www.namibiahuntingsafaris.com/african-hunting-safaris/hunting-packages/#hunt_specials |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:41:14 AM EDT
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I always thought a double rifle had to have to independent triggers. It was like having to guns glued together as in 1 is none and 2 is 1. It's not necessary. Some double makes particularly shotgun makers like Boss are known for one trigger in box locks primarily. Only a sidelock is really two guns fused together. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:41:59 AM EDT
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Wheres the Marlin 450? This thread isn't about popguns. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 12:28:40 PM EDT
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Damn, now I really want a Winchester Safari Express in 375 H&H
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Posted: 2/2/2017 12:50:37 PM EDT
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The 416 model 70 is a rem mag, not Rigby. The 550 is available in the Rigby though.
I am ordering a CZ 550 or Winchester Safari express in .375 when my local gun store opens in about an hour, unless i change my mind again.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 1:05:41 PM EDT
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460 Weatherby is what you should try. My friend's 300 Weatherby was a beast...I imagine the 460 is truly a cannon! |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 1:29:58 PM EDT
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My friend's 300 Weatherby was a beast...I imagine the 460 is truly a cannon! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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460 Weatherby is what you should try. My friend's 300 Weatherby was a beast...I imagine the 460 is truly a cannon! The 460 WB Magnum is somewhere between the 500NE and 600NE as far as performance, so ........................... 
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Posted: 2/2/2017 4:04:01 PM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. 
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Posted: 2/2/2017 4:30:56 PM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. Excellent choice! One World. One Rifle. .375 Holland & Holland. In all seriousness, do not be afraid to take it hunting in your local. There is something deeply satisfying about shooting a pig, deer, coyote, hell ANYTHING with a weapon that is capable of cleanly killing any animal that roams the face of the Earth. Welcome to the club! Enjoy! |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:00:47 PM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. I'm jelly 
ETA: Okay that is going to be my next rifle purchase. Not sure why I need it but I want it
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:06:51 PM EDT
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Sako brown or black bear in 375 H&H or 9.3X62
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:23:43 PM EDT
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My good friend loved his Merkel's....
Took a lot of game with them and brought them over for his clients to use. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:33:12 PM EDT
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Sako 85 Safari in 450 Rigby would be my choice.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 5:34:50 PM EDT
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I chose the CZ 550 because I have the American in .308 with the box mag. Fit and finish are incredible as is the single stage trigger. Check out Alaskan Arms for CZ and Ruger rings.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 6:49:56 PM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. That's a good choice that's still quite practical stateside. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 8:57:42 PM EDT
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American, I think. I'll check when I get home. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Which submodel? American, I think. I'll check when I get home. Yep- 550 American. 
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Posted: 2/2/2017 9:10:41 PM EDT
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Boooo!!!
Hissssss!!! Recount!!!! Literally HITLER!!!! /protest!!!!
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:19:32 PM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. Meh, nothing wrong with that. Good quality and the round will kill anything you need it to. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Holy shit.... 8 days in Namibia is cheaper than a guided hunt in Montanna!
http://www.namibiahuntingsafaris.com/african-hunting-safaris/hunting-packages/#hunt_specials Africa's cheap enough that you cam just about do a single-species Big Five hunt for less than a nonresident can hunt Alaskan brown bear. Still a shitload of money, don't get me wrong, but it sort of puts into perspective just how expensive nonresident hunting is in the US. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:02:33 PM EDT
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Sabbati w/!o an optic.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:22:10 PM EDT
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You don't have the 700 T-Rex listed WTF?
Edit: If you're gonna go...might as well go big! |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:22:34 PM EDT
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The 460 WB Magnum is somewhere between the 500NE and 600NE as far as performance, so ........................... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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460 Weatherby is what you should try. My friend's 300 Weatherby was a beast...I imagine the 460 is truly a cannon! The 460 WB Magnum is somewhere between the 500NE and 600NE as far as performance, so ........................... For sale, .460 Weatherby rifle plus 19 rounds of ammo. Recoil is known to be a tad harsh.
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:29:12 PM EDT
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D. CZ 550 FS (Mannlicher) in 9.3x62 This thing is pure sex! But seriously, a CZ looks like a fantastic option. My deer gun is the 550FS in 6.5x55 and it is as accurate as it is beautiful. Whenever anyone asks about bolt Guns I always suggest CZ. |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:31:25 PM EDT
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E is my choice.
I have seen reports that 458win actually makes a decent cast bullet gun with very good accuracy. Seems like you could have some fun at the range or slam a white tail and still have a classic rifle if you ever got a chance at something big and mean |
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Posted: 2/2/2017 11:40:42 PM EDT
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FPNI African Safari = Double Rifle |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 7:57:47 AM EDT
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So the rifle, not even on the poll, that won out is...the Winchester Model 70 Safari express in .375 H&H. Got to wait until the 16th or 17th to pick it up though.
Thank you everyone for your help...even though i ignored you all. You will love it! Glad we could help! |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 8:04:17 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting that picture of Cooper's "baby", I had never seen an actual shot of it, just the illustration in "Fireworks". Cooper made a very good case for the .460 G&A, and that rifle as configured. I've read dozens of books on hunting in Africa, and that is as close as I'll get. I once saw a Winchester M52 .22 set up as a "mini safari" rifle. Maybe I'll build one for charging woodchucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just found a new Westley Richards cartridge while looking stuff up right now; .700/577 NE/WR/Sahar. .700 NE necked down to .577, using a longer and heavier 900 grain bullet (the same weight used by the .600 NE) at 2,100 FPS (faster with the standard 750s and older 650s). Supposedly you need something in the 17-20lb range to deal with recoil and muzzle climb. Thanks for posting that picture of Cooper's "baby", I had never seen an actual shot of it, just the illustration in "Fireworks". Cooper made a very good case for the .460 G&A, and that rifle as configured. I've read dozens of books on hunting in Africa, and that is as close as I'll get. I once saw a Winchester M52 .22 set up as a "mini safari" rifle. Maybe I'll build one for charging woodchucks. I do want to get to Africa to hunt eventually. From what I understand, these days there is a wider variety of bottlenecked cartridges that sit between .458 Win Mag and .460 Weatherby Mag plus the straight-walled .458 Lott. It seems like the concept of the .460 G&A had some merit. One of these days I'd like to have my own clone of "Baby" built as well as a version in .505 Burns (which I'd make a pound heavier). .505 Burns in terms of ballistics is like a .50-cal version of the .460 G&A. You can get the .505 600-grain bullets out to about the same velocity out of a 21" barrel (which is what Baby and a number of rifles inspired by her use) as the .458 500-grain bullets. A bit wider and heavier with about the same sectional density hitting at about the same velocity. Could be an interesting one to try out. And going back over Cooper's article, it seems that he had originally wanted to do a .505 Gibbs. The Burns cartridge isn't so massive and is only a tad wider than the G&A and around the same length. The drop box magazine would only need to be a fraction of an inch longer to maintain 5+1 capacity. Regarding Baby, an improvement Cooper desired but not possible back then was to reverse the way the safety works on the ZKK-602. The CZ-550 has done that. If you get the 550 with the pop-up rear sight and have someone clean up the action a bit to make it nice and slick (from what I understand, the 550 does not have quite the same quality of fit and finish as the older ZKK actions), you can have a good basis for a dangerous game rifle, Baby clone or not, and regarding the former, you'd get to incorporate that improvement that Cooper desired. |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 12:30:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/3/2017 1:46:09 PM EDT
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Old school - Beaty & Company double-rifle in 500 BPE (Black Powder Express) made in 1890 ..................
BPE is the predecessor to the NE and uses the same case and reloading dies. Nice. That is a double rifle worth owning. |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 4:50:40 PM EDT
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Old school - Beaty & Company double-rifle in 500 BPE (Black Powder Express) made in 1890 ..................
BPE is the predecessor to the NE and uses the same case and reloading dies. Just looking at that steel buttplate makes my shoulder hurt
I would love to see videos of you blowing up watermelons with that thing! |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 4:54:47 PM EDT
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Old school - Beaty & Company double-rifle in 500 BPE (Black Powder Express) made in 1890 ..................
BPE is the predecessor to the NE and uses the same case and reloading dies. That is a beauty! |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 5:07:23 PM EDT
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I do want to get to Africa to hunt eventually. From what I understand, these days there is a wider variety of bottlenecked cartridges that sit between .458 Win Mag and .460 Weatherby Mag plus the straight-walled .458 Lott. It seems like the concept of the .460 G&A had some merit. One of these days I'd like to have my own clone of "Baby" built as well as a version in .505 Burns (which I'd make a pound heavier). .505 Burns in terms of ballistics is like a .50-cal version of the .460 G&A. You can get the .505 600-grain bullets out to about the same velocity out of a 21" barrel (which is what Baby and a number of rifles inspired by her use) as the .458 500-grain bullets. A bit wider and heavier with about the same sectional density hitting at about the same velocity. Could be an interesting one to try out. And going back over Cooper's article, it seems that he had originally wanted to do a .505 Gibbs. The Burns cartridge isn't so massive and is only a tad wider than the G&A and around the same length. The drop box magazine would only need to be a fraction of an inch longer to maintain 5+1 capacity. Regarding Baby, an improvement Cooper desired but not possible back then was to reverse the way the safety works on the ZKK-602. The CZ-550 has done that. If you get the 550 with the pop-up rear sight and have someone clean up the action a bit to make it nice and slick (from what I understand, the 550 does not have quite the same quality of fit and finish as the older ZKK actions), you can have a good basis for a dangerous game rifle, Baby clone or not, and regarding the former, you'd get to incorporate that improvement that Cooper desired. I was looking at Granite Mountain Arms years back to use as a base action. Cooper really wanted to hit those Buffalo hard, didn't he? |
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Posted: 2/3/2017 8:49:19 PM EDT
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Hmmm, pay off my mortgage, or get one of these
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Posted: 2/3/2017 9:17:32 PM EDT
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Old school - Beaty & Company double-rifle in 500 BPE (Black Powder Express) made in 1890 ..................
BPE is the predecessor to the NE and uses the same case and reloading dies.
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Posted: 2/3/2017 9:18:12 PM EDT
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Hmmm, pay off my mortgage, or get one of these http://www.blaser-usa.com/uploads/pics/Schaftholzklasse_11_03.jpg http://www.blaser-usa.com/uploads/pics/BLA_POS_Custom_Kilimanjaro_600x1250.jpg Heck, whaddya need with a paid-off mortgage anyway...
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Posted: 2/20/2017 5:25:23 PM EDT
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Update in OP, this is now a brag thread.
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Posted: 2/20/2017 7:25:57 PM EDT
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Good choice and looks nice. I have had a 3 or 4 M70's in .375H&H, a couple Safaris, a stainless, etc. I now have the Alaskan model. You cannot go wrong...great rifle and great cartridge.
What sling is that? |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 7:56:24 PM EDT
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Butler Creek 1 1/4" military sling (#2611-3 since the package is right here.) Got to wait until Friday to shoot it, got 110 rounds on hand, that should be enough.
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Posted: 2/20/2017 10:31:55 PM EDT
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Butler Creek 1 1/4" military sling (#2611-3 since the package is right here.) Got to wait until Friday to shoot it, got 110 rounds on hand, that should be enough. If you want to be able to use the sling as a shooting aid, for which it was designed, you'll need to reposition the front sling swivel so that it is on the stock and not the barrel. The tension can shift POI, and not necessarily with consistency. |
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Posted: 2/20/2017 11:35:03 PM EDT
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A friend with a gunshop here sold an identical rifle last week on Gunbroker.
I didn't need another dangerous game gun. He also had a nice Winchester Feather .270 Win rifle that sold and went out West. |
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