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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:10:39 PM EDT
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Magpul doesn't seem to do a whole lot of metal stuff.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:16:33 PM EDT
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Don't expect it. Not a lot of wiggle room with handgun mags. Polymer must be thicker than metal in order to obtain the same strength.
We are seeing tons of in innovation in Glock mags. Meanwhile we see zero innovation in any other manufactures handgun magazines. Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. The best thing to happen to handguns would be if they all took Glock mags the same way all 5.56 military rifles take STANAG mags. SIG was a stupid choice. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:16:50 PM EDT
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I'm curious if Trump will allow the sale of M9s to the public.....he should.....
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:17:26 PM EDT
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would rather have Sig 226...
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:52:14 PM EDT
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Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:54:36 PM EDT
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I'm curious if Trump will allow the sale of M9s to the public.....he should..... I had not thought of this. This just made me quite happy. Thank you sir for bringing this to my attention |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:57:55 PM EDT
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Don't expect it. Not a lot of wiggle room with handgun mags. Polymer must be thicker than metal in order to obtain the same strength. We are seeing tons of in innovation in Glock mags. Meanwhile we see zero innovation in any other manufactures handgun magazines. Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. The best thing to happen to handguns would be if they all took Glock mags the same way all 5.56 military rifles take STANAG mags. SIG was a stupid choice. I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 5:58:21 PM EDT
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Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. This. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 6:20:15 PM EDT
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About the same time they make Beretta 92FS mags.... which is never.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 6:24:48 PM EDT
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I had not thought of this. This just made me quite happy. Thank you sir for bringing this to my attention 
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Posted: 1/22/2017 6:27:48 PM EDT
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I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect it. Not a lot of wiggle room with handgun mags. Polymer must be thicker than metal in order to obtain the same strength. We are seeing tons of in innovation in Glock mags. Meanwhile we see zero innovation in any other manufactures handgun magazines. Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. The best thing to happen to handguns would be if they all took Glock mags the same way all 5.56 military rifles take STANAG mags. SIG was a stupid choice. I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 7:47:59 PM EDT
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would rather have Sig 226... This. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 7:51:14 PM EDT
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Magpul should make a 320 grip frame at least.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 7:51:46 PM EDT
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i want aftermarket grip frames not mags.
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Posted: 1/22/2017 8:15:58 PM EDT
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i want aftermarket grip frames with interchangeable backstraps, not mags. Fixed to reflect my opinion. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:22:14 PM EDT
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Magpul should make a 320 grip frame at least. That would make way more sense from a "this is the kind of stuff we make." standpoint. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:27:34 PM EDT
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Magpul should make a 320 grip frame at least. A number have mentioned it... But to what end? Sig already offers comfortable frames with different grip sizes. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:29:18 PM EDT
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Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. I'll have to call Magpul and ETS and let them know. 
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:31:17 PM EDT
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A grip frame that accepted glock mags?
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:34:09 PM EDT
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A number have mentioned it... But to what end? Sig already offers comfortable frames with different grip sizes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Magpul should make a 320 grip frame at least. A number have mentioned it... But to what end? Sig already offers comfortable frames with different grip sizes. How about a subcompact frame that fits a compact slide so that someone could use an XC1. Maybe something with an integrated light/laser module. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:34:15 PM EDT
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I'll have to call Magpul and ETS and let them know. You call Glock, Magpul, and ETS. I'll call damn near every other pistol manufacturer on Earth. Plastic pistol frames make sense. Plastic pistol mags do not. |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:36:47 PM EDT
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A grip frame that accepted glock mags? Win! |
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Posted: 1/22/2017 11:47:36 PM EDT
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A number have mentioned it... But to what end? Sig already offers comfortable frames with different grip sizes. I'm sure Magpul could come up with something to make it worthwhile. If nothing else, it would just be something cool to have. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 12:13:38 AM EDT
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You call Glock, Magpul, and ETS. I'll call damn near every other pistol manufacturer on Earth. Plastic pistol frames make sense. Plastic pistol mags do not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll have to call Magpul and ETS and let them know. You call Glock, Magpul, and ETS. I'll call damn near every other pistol manufacturer on Earth. Plastic pistol frames make sense. Plastic pistol mags do not. My magpul and ETS mags seem to make a ton of sense, seeing that they cost 12 per, are all plastic, and work thus far as good as OEM.... What doesn't make sense? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 8:55:15 AM EDT
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I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. Could you explain this a little more? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:01:26 AM EDT
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A grip frame that accepted glock mags? Now we're talking! |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:07:47 AM EDT
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??? The same amount of time for them to come out with 1911, SIG 226, SIG 229 and Beretta mags. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:14:41 AM EDT
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My magpul and ETS mags seem to make a ton of sense, seeing that they cost 12 per, are all plastic, and work thus far as good as OEM.... What doesn't make sense? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll have to call Magpul and ETS and let them know. You call Glock, Magpul, and ETS. I'll call damn near every other pistol manufacturer on Earth. Plastic pistol frames make sense. Plastic pistol mags do not. My magpul and ETS mags seem to make a ton of sense, seeing that they cost 12 per, are all plastic, and work thus far as good as OEM.... What doesn't make sense? |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:31:14 AM EDT
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Polymer pistol mags make the grip wider than necessary. Magpul and ETS were able to capitalize on Glocks decision to go with polymer mags. Had Glock gone with metal mags, Magpul and ETS wouldn't be making mags for them. Yeah, I would agree that makes a difference if you are attempting to make the slimmest single stack gun possible. It hasn't made a lick of difference in double stack duty pistols. In fact Glock, with their super wide polymer mags, seems to have the slimmest double stack pistol out of the major contenders. P320 Full Size Width: 1.4 in Glock 17 Width: 1.18 in HK USP Width: 1.26 in S&W M&P Width: 1.2 in Beretta PX4 Width 1.2 in That hunk of shit SIG is the fattest of them all. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:38:30 AM EDT
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Yeah, I would agree that makes a difference if you are attempting to make the slimmest single stack gun possible. It hasn't made a lick of difference in double stack duty pistols. In fact Glock, with their super wide polymer mags, seems to have the slimmest double stack pistol out of the major contenders. P320 Full Size Width: 1.4 in Glock 17 Width: 1.18 in HK USP Width: 1.26 in S&W M&P Width: 1.2 in Beretta PX4 Width 1.2 in That hunk of shit SIG is the fattest of them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polymer pistol mags make the grip wider than necessary. Magpul and ETS were able to capitalize on Glocks decision to go with polymer mags. Had Glock gone with metal mags, Magpul and ETS wouldn't be making mags for them. Yeah, I would agree that makes a difference if you are attempting to make the slimmest single stack gun possible. It hasn't made a lick of difference in double stack duty pistols. In fact Glock, with their super wide polymer mags, seems to have the slimmest double stack pistol out of the major contenders. P320 Full Size Width: 1.4 in Glock 17 Width: 1.18 in HK USP Width: 1.26 in S&W M&P Width: 1.2 in Beretta PX4 Width 1.2 in That hunk of shit SIG is the fattest of them all. Burn! 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:40:07 AM EDT
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Fight fight fight.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:42:27 AM EDT
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Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. so you mean metal mags right??? 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:44:00 AM EDT
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so you mean metal mags right??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. so you mean metal mags right??? No, I mean polymer mags. You know, like the ones people who kill people for a living use. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 9:44:22 AM EDT
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Fight fight fight. lol |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:10:01 AM EDT
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Yeah, I would agree that makes a difference if you are attempting to make the slimmest single stack gun possible. It hasn't made a lick of difference in double stack duty pistols. In fact Glock, with their super wide polymer mags, seems to have the slimmest double stack pistol out of the major contenders. P320 Full Size Width: 1.4 in Glock 17 Width: 1.18 in HK USP Width: 1.26 in S&W M&P Width: 1.2 in Beretta PX4 Width 1.2 in That hunk of shit SIG is the fattest of them all. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:22:57 AM EDT
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From a durability and reliability stand point, I would disagree. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't expect it. Not a lot of wiggle room with handgun mags. Polymer must be thicker than metal in order to obtain the same strength. We are seeing tons of in innovation in Glock mags. Meanwhile we see zero innovation in any other manufactures handgun magazines. Polymer is the future. Glock knew it decades ago. The best thing to happen to handguns would be if they all took Glock mags the same way all 5.56 military rifles take STANAG mags. SIG was a stupid choice. I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:33:03 AM EDT
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Not for pistol mags. Plastic sucks for that application, because it has to be too thick (and metal lined anyway). There's a reason why every other gun company has gone back to (or never left) metal pistol mags. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:33:12 AM EDT
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Could you explain this a little more? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would disagree and respond that Glock has some of the poorest magazine design on the market. Could you explain this a little more? From a cost perspective polymer pistol magazines can offer large savings, but when we are dealing with maximum possible capacity we do not want any compromises. Glock magazine's are reliable and durable, but that is a moot point because the same thing can be achieved in metal magazines. Polymer pistol magazines, especially Glock magazine's, are a compromise and not the ideal medium. Period. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:35:44 AM EDT
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Overall width and width of the grip aren't the same thing. And where it really makes a difference isn't single stacks, it's the large frame guns. OK. You didn't agree with my numbers which I got from the manufactures. I'll put the ball in your court. Show me a double stack combat/duty handgun which use double stack metal magazines which is significantly slimmer in the grip than a double stack Glock 9/40/45 My point is this. Polymer mags are cheaper to make and they are just as durable and reliable as metal mags. While they need to be slightly thicker to maintain the same strength as a similar metal mag, Glock has shown that with a properly designed handgun that doesn't make any difference. Everyone laughed at Magpul when the released the PMAG. Now everyone and their brother makes polymer AR mags. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:56:05 AM EDT
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I'll put the ball in your court. Show me a double stack combat/duty handgun which use double stack metal magazines which is significantly slimmer in the grip than a double stack Glock 9/40/45 That said, almost all of my handguns are Glocks. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:59:32 AM EDT
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All of them. I'm at work so I can't verify but a quick Google search is showing that the grip circumference of the Glock 19/23 is 5.85". I'm going to assume that's a Gen 3. Every other circumference I can find for a double stack 9/40 polymer framed gun is smaller than that. As for .45s, everything is smaller than the 21. That said, almost all of my handguns are Glocks. I going to counter than that has less to do with Glock magazines and more to do with Glock "Perfection" and their lack of desire to change the grip. There are after market frames and reduction services which can make the grip circumference less. Not to mention Glock came out with the G21 SF to address this exact issue. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 10:59:41 AM EDT
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OK. You didn't agree with my numbers which I got from the manufactures. I'll put the ball in your court. Show me a double stack combat/duty handgun which use double stack metal magazines which is significantly slimmer in the grip than a double stack Glock 9/40/45 My point is this. Polymer mags are cheaper to make and they are just as durable and reliable as metal mags. While they need to be slightly thicker to maintain the same strength as a similar metal mag, Glock has shown that with a properly designed handgun that doesn't make any difference. Everyone laughed at Magpul when the released the PMAG. Now everyone and their brother makes polymer AR mags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Overall width and width of the grip aren't the same thing. And where it really makes a difference isn't single stacks, it's the large frame guns. OK. You didn't agree with my numbers which I got from the manufactures. I'll put the ball in your court. Show me a double stack combat/duty handgun which use double stack metal magazines which is significantly slimmer in the grip than a double stack Glock 9/40/45 My point is this. Polymer mags are cheaper to make and they are just as durable and reliable as metal mags. While they need to be slightly thicker to maintain the same strength as a similar metal mag, Glock has shown that with a properly designed handgun that doesn't make any difference. Everyone laughed at Magpul when the released the PMAG. Now everyone and their brother makes polymer AR mags. Perfect example is the SAR K2 .45. vs the Glock, SIG, and CZ 97 with 14+1 capacity. Kills capacity of most double stack .45s with smaller grip than most. The P14 magazine it's based on is extremely efficient. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 11:12:15 AM EDT
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Now we're talking! Glock mags are too thick to fit through the fcu. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 11:27:36 AM EDT
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Perfect example is the SAR K2 .45. vs the Glock, SIG, and CZ 97 with 14+1 capacity. Kills capacity of most double stack .45s with smaller grip than most. The P14 magazine it's based on is extremely efficient. SAR K2-45 Height: 5.7" Width: 1.3" Cap: 14 rd Glock 21 SF Height: 5.47" Width: 1.27" Cap: 13 rd Not seeing the huge gain. Not exactly what we are talking about, since those are gun measurements. I can't find actual measurements of the magazines, which would be more relevant to the discussion. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 11:40:25 AM EDT
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how long was it from Glock inception to Magpul release? About that long.
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Posted: 1/23/2017 11:56:34 AM EDT
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SAR K2-45 Height: 5.7" Width: 1.3" Cap: 14 rd Glock 21 SF Height: 5.47" Width: 1.27" Cap: 13 rd Not seeing the huge gain. Not exactly what we are talking about, since those are gun measurements. I can't find actual measurements of the magazines, which would be more relevant to the discussion. You need grip circumference. Width of a pistol can mean grip or slide width. And a grip can be skinny but relatively long front to back. A 1911 and a 9mm single stack can have the same width, but grip circumference will most likely be very different. |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 12:15:55 PM EDT
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Had Glock gone with metal mags, Magpul and ETS wouldn't be making mags for them. Mec-Gar would 
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Posted: 1/23/2017 12:17:33 PM EDT
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would rather have Sig 226... |
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Posted: 1/23/2017 1:02:50 PM EDT
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You need grip circumference. Width of a pistol can mean grip or slide width. And a grip can be skinny but relatively long front to back. A 1911 and a 9mm single stack can have the same width, but grip circumference will most likely be very different. Neither is ideal. What would be ideal is measuring the actual magazines, since that is what we are talking about. Manufactures don't generally publish grip circumference. They do publish width. That is why I am posting that, because it is available data. |
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