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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:47:39 PM EDT
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Because Luke let his anger out, and hate made him powerful. Which, of course, is exactly what the emperor was trying to do. Luke realized this, and stopped being angry.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:48:37 PM EDT
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Vader is an old man that has been literally burned to a crisp and chopped into pieces. Probably also helped that luke was mad as fuck.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:49:26 PM EDT
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Vader lost a lot of his force ability when he lost his arms and legs, plus he was old.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:49:48 PM EDT
[#4]
Because it was written in the script.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:51:46 PM EDT
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Because Luke let his anger out, and hate made him powerful. Which, of course, is exactly what the emperor was trying to do. Luke realized this, and stopped being angry. He could use his anger without letting it take control of him, that pissed off the emperor. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:52:52 PM EDT
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Because Luke let his anger out, and hate made him powerful. Which, of course, is exactly what the emperor was trying to do. Luke realized this, and stopped being angry. /thread |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:53:13 PM EDT
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makes sense.....thanks for the replies....
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:58:00 PM EDT
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I disagree, I don't believe that Luke had control at all. The threat to his sister made him angry, berserk even.
Until he cut off Vader's hand. That's the point at which, probably prompted by the recollection of losing his own hand in a lightsaber duel, Luke regains his sanity and his "inner peace" (for lack of a better term). And that same point is when the Emperor realizes that he has lost his chance to turn Luke to the Dark Side. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:58:18 PM EDT
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Anakin would bring balance to the force not be the most powerful.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 9:59:32 PM EDT
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From the reading I have done on the topic, which may or may not be cannon now.
Vader could have crushed Luke, but it was his Son. His force powers surpassed everyone. Hell, Vader was the damn force. He did not want to kill him, just turn him. I believe the good side of Vader would have even let Luke kill him. He didn't want to kill Obi-wan the first time they fought either...that is why he lost. Other than the time he was behind him in New Hope getting ready to shoot down his x-wing, Vader never wanted to kill Luke. /nerd |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:01:03 PM EDT
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Vader had no intention of killing Luke either time he fought him, so it could be argued that Vader was fighting at 25% of his abilities just to keep Luke in check.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:01:30 PM EDT
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Yeah, a Star Wars thread. Should we all stand in a circle and...
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:05:21 PM EDT
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why was Luke so dominant in that? He wasn't. Vader was more powerful, more experienced, and better trained. Vader, however, wanted to die. It would be his final escape. He didn't give a shit about Luke and was happy to trade him to the Emperor for his own freedom. It was only when he realised that his whiny bitch-ass son had wimped out and chosen death rather than service - which meant that he (Vader) had to carry on as Palpatine's batty boy - that Vader flipped and killed the Emperor. Not to save his son, he didn't give a fuck about the boy, but to save himself so that he could finally die. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:06:17 PM EDT
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And Vader wasn't trying to kill him to start with. They were trying to turn him instead of just Force Lighting his ass up.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:14:08 PM EDT
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Because it was written in the script. 
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:18:56 PM EDT
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He could use his anger without letting it take control of him, that pissed off the emperor. The movie makers did a fantastic job of making the Emperor seem a bit creaky in the head and with zero force powers. That all changed the instant he began sending out agonizing bolts of purple Force Lightning into a pleading, sobbing Luke Skywalker. 
(That level of creativity and talented script writing simply does not exist anymore in Hollywood) |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:23:46 PM EDT
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From the reading I have done on the topic, which may or may not be cannon now. Vader could have crushed Luke, but it was his Son. His force powers surpassed everyone. Hell, Vader was the damn force. He did not want to kill him, just turn him. I believe the good side of Vader would have even let Luke kill him. He didn't want to kill Obi-wan the first time they fought either...that is why he lost. Other than the time he was behind him in New Hope getting ready to shoot down his x-wing, Vader never wanted to kill Luke. /nerd |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:24:53 PM EDT
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He wasn't. Vader was more powerful, more experienced, and better trained. Vader, however, wanted to die. It would be his final escape. He didn't give a shit about Luke and was happy to trade him to the Emperor for his own freedom. It was only when he realised that his whiny bitch-ass son had wimped out and chosen death rather than service - which meant that he (Vader) had to carry on as Palpatine's batty boy - that Vader flipped and killed the Emperor. Not to save his son, he didn't give a fuck about the boy, but to save himself so that he could finally die. I disagree. I think Vader was hoping for the happy ending of Skywalker & Son, Prosthetic-Fisted Galactic Rulers, right up until Luke threw away his lightsaber. He knew that killing the Emperor himself meant death, which (it turned out) he was willing to suffer to save Luke; but Vader's Plan A involved Luke destroying the Emperor just like he wanted in Episode V. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:25:18 PM EDT
[#19]
Bad writing?
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:25:33 PM EDT
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Vader didn't want to kill Luke.
Luke on the other hand wanted to kill Vader. Palpatine knew Vader was not strong enough to kill his own son yet Luke had the courage to kill his own father. Luke was the perfect candidate. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:27:00 PM EDT
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Vader lost a lot of his force ability when he lost his arms and legs, plus he was old. I don't think so. He lost any immunity to force lightening but the anger, pain rage and suffering of the suit fueled his dark force abilities. In the recent cannon, he has been able to cripple AT Walkers with the force and smash fighters in space. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:32:08 PM EDT
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A story as old as time.
"....Little Sister....." "....Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!...." |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:38:03 PM EDT
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Movie, not real events. Plot convenience etcetera.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:50:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Space Balls was better.
Dark Helmet: "Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr. I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:51:40 PM EDT
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Space Balls was better. Dark Helmet: "Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr. I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." "So...what does that make us?" |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:53:09 PM EDT
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"So...what does that make us?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Space Balls was better. Dark Helmet: "Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr. I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate." "So...what does that make us?" "Absolutely nothing!"  Spaceballs (11/11) Movie CLIP - Your Schwartz Is as Big as Mine (1987) HD |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:55:45 PM EDT
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In the same scene...
Why did Luke's hand turn to black leather after he light-sabred Vader's off? Was it b/c he was on his way to becoming Vader? I've always wondered this. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:57:26 PM EDT
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In the same scene... Why did Luke's hand turn to black leather after he light-sabred Vader's off? Was it b/c he was on his way to becoming Vader? I've always wondered this. It was like that since they left tatooine after rescuing Han. He took a blaster round to his robot hand, and instead of fixing it he just put on a glove. Edit: and the point of the scene is as you say, Luke realizes his anger is only taking him down the same road as daddy. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:58:40 PM EDT
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why was Luke so dominant in that? cause it's a movie? |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 10:59:18 PM EDT
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In the same scene... Why did Luke's hand turn to black leather after he light-sabred Vader's off? Was it b/c he was on his way to becoming Vader? I've always wondered this. That was a prosthetic hand, and the same one Vader had cut off him. He realized that he was doing the same thing, the same way, to Vader. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:00:42 PM EDT
[#31]
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Because Luke let his anger out, and hate made him powerful. Which, of course, is exactly what the emperor was trying to do. Luke realized this, and stopped being angry. Apparently Southernguy was not paying attention to the Emperors words. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:06:48 PM EDT
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Vader was compelled to follow the Emperor's orders as a Sith Lord. But, he was conflicted about killing his own son (Luke sensed the conflict but Vader said it was too late for him-fatalism is a hallmark of the Jedi).
Vader either did not use all of his power because of his internal conflict, or Luke simply overpowered him at the threat to turn Leia, or maybe some of both. No matter, when faced with his own son's destruction at the hands of the Emperor, he choose to save his son (Vader looks back and forth several times and finally chooses to save Luke). Vader's internal conflict was resolved by his fatherly love. All of the clues are in the movie if you watch carefully. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:07:33 PM EDT
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Vader lost a lot of his force ability when he lost his arms and legs, plus he was old. Have you seen Rogue One yet? |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:08:56 PM EDT
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Have you seen Rogue One yet? What happened to Vader between Rogue One and the Kenobi vs Vader fight on the death star? |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:10:44 PM EDT
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His heart wasn't in it. Really, that is the answer. He was torn up inside and subconsciously (or not) let Luke win.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:11:56 PM EDT
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The father son drama/relationship going on on the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ is one of the best ever put on film. Back when George Lucas knew how to write.
Ian McDirmand as Emperor Palatine deserves major props. The dude dripped evil from every line of dialog. I remember watching ROTJ opening day back in 1983 and when he shoots lighting out oF his fingers the whole theater freaking jumped! |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:14:34 PM EDT
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What happened to Vader between Rogue One and the Kenobi vs Vader fight on the death star? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you seen Rogue One yet? What happened to Vader between Rogue One and the Kenobi vs Vader fight on the death star? Vader was sizing up his old master, very apprehensively. Old Obi-Wan did a chop-job on him last time they met. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:15:26 PM EDT
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The father son drama/relationship going on on the Emperor's throne room in ROTJ is one of the best ever put on film. Back when George Lucas knew how to write. Ian McDirmand as Emperor Palatine deserves major props. The dude dripped evil from every line of dialog. I remember watching ROTJ opening day back in 1983 and when he shoots lighting out oF his fingers the whole theater freaking jumped! George Lucas never knew how to write, but back then he had people who could tell him to go sit in the corner. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:16:13 PM EDT
[#39]
Also, Luke rejected the dark side after looking at his prosthetic hand- he did not want to become like his father. It's all there in the movie.
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:23:55 PM EDT
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George Lucas never knew how to write, but back then he had people who could tell him to go sit in the corner. Troof. Ask Gary Kurtz. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:26:55 PM EDT
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Anakin would bring balance to the force not be the most powerful. He did.... there was only two Sith and a shit ton of Jedi. He leveled the playing field. He killed the fuck out of Jedi. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:28:44 PM EDT
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So was Anakin created/spawned by Palpatine ?
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:37:26 PM EDT
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Obi-wan was the badass of the bunch. He purposely sacrificed himself knowing that he would not really die in Episode IV. Vader didn't have that forethought, power or insight to predict or ascend to that plane. In the duel in Episode IV, Kenobi could still have destroyed Vader but believed in the prophecy fulfillment and instead sacrificed himself to allow the events that lead to the destruction of the emperor and the resurrection of Anikin to take place.
Obi-Wan Kenobi = Bad Mother Fucker. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:39:22 PM EDT
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So was Anakin created/spawned by Palpatine ? No Anakin = Jesus |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:41:40 PM EDT
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Berserker Power Baby!
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:43:00 PM EDT
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Berserker Power Baby! Did he sing "Make Fuck"? |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:43:10 PM EDT
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Because it was written in the script. Don't worry, George Lucas can change that |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:46:16 PM EDT
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Luke is, canonically, the most powerful Sith/Jedi in the SW universe. Vader had the most potential but emotions stunted his progression. Palpatine
is 2nd with Yoda being 3rd. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:47:50 PM EDT
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Obi-wan was the badass of the bunch. He purposely sacrificed himself knowing that he would not really die in Episode IV. Vader didn't have that forethought, power or insight to predict or ascend to that plane. In the duel in Episode IV, Kenobi could still have destroyed Vader but believed in the prophecy fulfillment and instead sacrificed himself to allow the events that lead to the destruction of the emperor and the resurrection of Anikin to take place. Obi-Wan Kenobi = Bad Mother Fucker. Truth Obi Wan was THE perfect Jedi. Killed a very bad ass Sith Lord (Maul). Mutilated possibly the most powerful (Force wise) being the galaxy had ever seen (Vader) and not as someone said earlier (Vader didn't want to kill him) Vader was enraged at Obi Wan and wanted nothing more than to destroy him and Obi Wan abused him and told Vader to not push it at the end because he knew he had Vader number... Windu told Obi Wan that Obi Wan was the best swordsman in the Order (Revenge of the Sith novelization 100% cannon) when Obi Wan questioned the councils decision to send him to fight Grevious. One vs one sword fight no Force powers except swordsmanship I believe Obi Wan could beat any Jedi/Sith in galactic history, not because he could take someone offensively but because he was the greatest defensive swordsman ever, he waited until he had an opening just pure defense until he could end it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2016 11:51:09 PM EDT
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