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I know several ranchers that raise deer because they make more money on them then cattle.
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According to the company, the locations were chosen in heavy deer hunting areas in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Tennessee and Georgia.
... 4415 Roswell Rd. NE, Atlanta Uhhhh.... https://media.giphy.com/media/ukGm72ZLZvYfS/giphy.gif Keep going and stop at the Fellini's instead. |
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probably pen raised axis deer or something similar. We used to have a big farm/ processor near here
This isn't them buying deer from individuals at a truck stop --good grief. It's not uncommon it's sold in Restaurants it's raised in a fence like cows and Usda inspected Google "venison for sale" |
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Might be imported from NZ too...they raise a lot of elk which they also call venison and Stag deer. Pen raised, their idea of a pen is 12' chain link fence around 100 acres. View Quote Yeah I have pictures of a deer farm in NZ. Giant fence around the property and they keep them there, extremely tame the ones I saw too, I guess if you feed them enough they start running TOWARD you. It was odd, but neat to see. |
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FPNI. If it's raised commercially, for consumption. Just the same as restaurants that sell Elk, bear, ect ect. The Cabelas here has a wild game cafe, but none of the meat was ever wild. View Quote Right, federally inspected farm raised is good to go. Same with any other "game" one would find on a restaurants menu antelope, emu, ect. |
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There is hunting wild game and then having it processed, with every package labeled with your name, and a deadline to consume that particular years meat (per MDC here,)
and commercial ranching, processing the animals in a USDA inspected facility, which then allows resale to the commercial market. First situation is your consumption only, second is market trade and put in the processed meats freezer right next to the Argentine beef shipped up two years ago. Your choice. Livestock on a farm or ranch can be nearly any animal we choose, raised per regulations, processed and then sold per regulations. Including alligator or rattlesnake. Hence the infamous Opopka Snake Ranch where Vern worked. Round up time was fun. [BD https://www.facebook.com/ApopkaSnakeRanch/ |
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it is illegal to sell deer meat or parts up here............. regarding white tails.............. there are a few red deer farms that sell venison/jerky.......... they are farmed and enclosed...........and are not the native species that is hunted in the fall. View Quote Pretty much the same thing here |
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Poaching. One of the hillbilly family members that lives over the hill from me used to be a big time poacher. Guy had maybe half acre and some chickens. Owned a butchers bandsaw, but he never did any butchering for other people. It was not unusual to hear rifle shots down that way late at night, pretty much all year around. He took 28 deer hides into the Westomoreland Fur Post one season, many years ago. I was told he was selling the meat to restaurants in Pittsburgh. The guy is a thief all around (stealing firewood, fruit) and so was half the family, a bunch of thieves. He is quite old now. He will not be missed by any decent person. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Poaching. One of the hillbilly family members that lives over the hill from me used to be a big time poacher. Guy had maybe half acre and some chickens. Owned a butchers bandsaw, but he never did any butchering for other people. It was not unusual to hear rifle shots down that way late at night, pretty much all year around. He took 28 deer hides into the Westomoreland Fur Post one season, many years ago. I was told he was selling the meat to restaurants in Pittsburgh. The guy is a thief all around (stealing firewood, fruit) and so was half the family, a bunch of thieves. He is quite old now. He will not be missed by any decent person. I grew up in Westmoreland county. I knew several subsistence-type poachers. |
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Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. View Quote Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. |
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I've always assumed it was the poaching angle. Here, selling hunted game is illegal (venison, moose, etc), but sale of farm raised is OK. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. I've always assumed it was the poaching angle. Here, selling hunted game is illegal (venison, moose, etc), but sale of farm raised is OK. this |
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Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. Well, not exactly.... in the US, Fallow and red stag are not a game animal. A lot of venison in restaurants is Fallow from farms, mostly originating outside the US. |
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Beef lobby
Cant transport across state lines without lots of extra hoops IIRC Has to be farm raised as well |
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Quoted: Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. You're in Colorado, you should mosey on down to the Buckhorn Exchange and order the elk medallions. |
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Maybe the wild aspect of it and the nasty critters they can carry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Maybe the wild aspect of it and the nasty critters they can carry. And to reduce the allure of poaching? |
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Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. Wrong, they changed the laws a few years ago, so that you can donate, or you can sell to a restaurant, there is a meat market in Columbia Falls, Montana real close to where I live that is processing and selling legally taken venison right as I type this, there was an article in the news about it today. We can also claim a road kill these days if you are so inclined, just pick it up, head for home and get a permit by logging onto the Game Dept. website, tell them where you picked it up and print your permit. |
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Quoted: Wild animals belong to the state. Venison, doesn't always imply that it's wild game. Farm/pen raised animals for commercial market can include ant type of animal. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Wild animals belong to the state. Venison, doesn't always imply that it's wild game. Farm/pen raised animals for commercial market can include ant type of animal. Of course, that's an ideal world. Now,it seems, all your deer are belong to the federal .gov. |
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I've always assumed it was the poaching angle. Here, selling hunted game is illegal (venison, moose, etc), but sale of farm raised is OK. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. I've always assumed it was the poaching angle. Here, selling hunted game is illegal (venison, moose, etc), but sale of farm raised is OK. Thankfully that doesn't effect the annual "game dinners" at the local VFW. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. |
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If a hunter harvests a deer legally and then gives the meat (not sells) to a restaurant, I believe the restaurant can serve/sell the prepared meat to the public. Seen it done like that before.
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Growing up hunting deer, I was always told that selling Venison was illegal. Is it a state by state thing? View Quote do you vote? please say no |
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. View Quote Long story short: Because it would be almost pure profit (minus time and money spend hunting and processing.) Then you would have everyone going out and making deer and elk and such extinct so they could make a dollar. It's basically preventing what happened to the herds of American Bison that use to roam the great plains from happening to all other forms of wild game. |
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Just got a case in from New Zealand last week at work. It's pretty expensive and none of the locals here in South Florida were interested when we ran it for a special. Now I have some more tenderloins (backstrap) in my freezer. It's not bad for farm raised deer.
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Damn! Phoenix isn't on the list of trial locations.
If it were, I'd be getting several every day! |
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Encourages market hunting and poaching. Sport hunting is generally good for game, but market hunting has lead to massive reductions or even extinction of some species. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Encourages market hunting and poaching. Sport hunting is generally good for game, but market hunting has lead to massive reductions or even extinction of some species. You can buy all kinds of meat and fish on the Rez |
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I bet because it's not a usual menu item, the 17 year old kids making it will screw up cooking it much of the time.
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Chinese restaurants used to buy carp from people, wonder if I can sell some roadkill to Arby's.....
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Yep, but if a truckload of free meat from a CWD zone happened to slip in the mix, nobody would ever know. In some areas, they are killing as many deer as possible to slow the spread. But I'm sure nothing like that could ever happen, right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Pen raised. Yep, but if a truckload of free meat from a CWD zone happened to slip in the mix, nobody would ever know. In some areas, they are killing as many deer as possible to slow the spread. But I'm sure nothing like that could ever happen, right? How would that get USDA inspected? And I'm pretty sure that Arby's would cost Arby's far more than it's worth. |
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Because the King wants his Shilling. Do you know how I know you aren't an outdoorsman/hunter? |
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Do you know how I know you aren't an outdoorsman/hunter? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Because the King wants his Shilling. Do you know how I know you aren't an outdoorsman/hunter? Because I'm not a hunter? |
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LOL You're in Colorado, you should mosey on down to the Buckhorn Exchange and order the elk medallions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. You're in Colorado, you should mosey on down to the Buckhorn Exchange and order the elk medallions. LOL What they serve there is not game. It is livestock. |
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Wrong, they changed the laws a few years ago, so that you can donate, or you can sell to a restaurant, there is a meat market in Columbia Falls, Montana real close to where I live that is processing and selling legally taken venison right as I type this, there was an article in the news about it today. We can also claim a road kill these days if you are so inclined, just pick it up, head for home and get a permit by logging onto the Game Dept. website, tell them where you picked it up and print your permit. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on the state, we can sell venison here in Montana, lots of restaurants sell venison and elk as specials during the fall. That said, they are not wild animals in most cases, they are farm raised specifically for the retail business. Incorrect. You can not buy or sell any game animal. Wrong, they changed the laws a few years ago, so that you can donate, or you can sell to a restaurant, there is a meat market in Columbia Falls, Montana real close to where I live that is processing and selling legally taken venison right as I type this, there was an article in the news about it today. We can also claim a road kill these days if you are so inclined, just pick it up, head for home and get a permit by logging onto the Game Dept. website, tell them where you picked it up and print your permit. Donating meat and claiming roadkill are not what we are talking about. Do you have a cite for the change in statute? |
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What is the logic of selling venison being illegal? Legitimately curious as to why. Because the King wants his Shilling. Do you know how I know you aren't an outdoorsman/hunter? Because I'm not a hunter? No. Because wildlife being not owned by the landowner is one of the founding principles of this country. "The King" doesn't own the wildlife--the people do. That means all of us, and the federal government ("the King") doesn't get diddly for wildlife, as animals are managed by the individual states, save for on federal land. "The King" is all of us, but in each state. The feds have nothing to do with it, save for the Lacey Act, which kept more species from going extinct, and was crucial at the time. Even it doesn't give "the King" any shillings--it just protects the animals from unregulated slaughter. All hunters know this. |
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To cross state lines, meat has to processed under the watchful eye of a USDA meat inspector. If Arby's has a source of farm raised deer and a USDA meat inspector on site when they process the meat there is no issue.
Here is a pretty good overview of the venison/meat inspection issue: https://www.brokenarrowranch.com/Articles/WildGameMeatInspection.htm Based on this, I'd say my statement above is false: Is it legal to sell wild game meat?
There is no law prohibiting the sale of wild game meat (venison, etc.). There are, however, laws prohibiting the sale of uninspected wild game meat. If wild game meat has received a mark of inspection by a state or federal inspection program, or it has been legally imported, then its sale is legal anywhere within the United States. Game meats that do not have a mark of inspection cannot be sold. This is the case for game meat harvested by a recreational hunter. The inspection and processing requirements will not be met and the meat cannot be sold. Meat from "game animals" as defined by state wildlife agencies that are harvested within that state cannot be sold. The restrictions and definitions vary from state to state. However, in most states native species (like whitetail deer) are deemed to be "game animals" while non-native species have different classifications, usually deemed "livestock." If it is restricted then it will not be inspected and cannot be sold. However, if it is inspected then that is assurance that it is legal to sell. Who inspects wild game meat? Surprisingly, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is not required to inspect wild game meats. The inspection of most traditional meats in the U.S. is regulated by the "Federal Meat Inspection Act" (FMIA) and the "Federal Poultry Inspection Act." The Federal Meat Inspection Act defines “meat” specifically as being from “cattle, sheep, swine, or goats.” (10 CFR 12.601 2011) The USDA is mandated to inspect these meats. All other meats are defined as being non-amenable and the USDA FSIS is not obligated to inspect them. USDA FSIS will perform a voluntary inspection on some of these alternative proteins, including venison, and provide it with a mark of inspection. Confusion arises from the fact that most wild game meats are not named in the FMIA. These "non amenable" meats are not even considered "meat" by the USDA under their interpretation of the FMIA. This leaves the requirement for inspection of wild game meats in a vague regulatory "never-never land" as far as federal laws are concerned. In theory, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration has technical responsibility for the safety of all foods not named in these acts, but they have no meat inspection capability. Some states, such as Texas, continue to operate their own inspection programs. By law the inspection standards must be "at least equal" to those of the USDA inspection standards. (21 CFR 12.661 2011) It is not legal to sell state inspected amenable meats as defined in FMIA outside of state boundaries. However, since venison is a non-amenable meat and the inspection standards meet those of the USDA state inspected venison can be sold into any other US state. It's the local municipal health codes that require venison to be inspected. The specific wording of each health code differs but the basic law is that food sold to the public must come from an "approved source" or a source that is deemed at least equal to USDA inspection. The Texas meat inspection program meets this requirement. View Quote |
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Growing up hunting deer, I was always told that selling Venison was illegal. Is it a state by state thing? Arby's Now Selling Venison Burgers! http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2016/10/25/arbys-takes-stab-venison-burgers-select-locations/92727506/ View Quote I don't know. I bought venison jerky, which was mixed with pork, I think. |
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I wish I were near one because I would try it. But, I'm not going to drive hundreds of miles.
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Just got a case in from New Zealand last week at work. It's pretty expensive and none of the locals here in South Florida were interested when we ran it for a special. Now I have some more tenderloins (backstrap) in my freezer. It's not bad for farm raised deer. View Quote Mostly we sell it to Germany, and the rest of Europe. They love it, funny enough it doesn't seem to have much of a following here. I am a big fan, great meat, great taste. |
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