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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:33:33 PM EDT
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Seen file at grabcad. I was to afraid to click on it
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:35:18 PM EDT
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I actually thought of this idea before. I was wondering how long it would take before people started to make these.
In theory they should be no more or less legal than a 80% suppressor or solvent trap. But I'm sure the ATF wouldn't take to kindly to the idea. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:37:21 PM EDT
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LL would be the way to go. It would be hilarious watching the ATF shit themselves.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:39:48 PM EDT
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I actually thought of this idea before. I was wondering how long it would take before people started to make these. In theory they should be no more or less legal than a 80% suppressor or solvent trap. But I'm sure the ATF wouldn't take to kindly to the idea. Now that I typed that, I'm not sure a solvent trap is legally a 80% suppressor. Anyone have more info? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:39:49 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. Please explain .................. I have an 80% Philadelphia Ordnance BAR receiver. Can be machined to 100% and made into a Post Sample NFA weapon by a SOT with the proper licensing. He's both right and wrong. There's no 80% in Title I firearms either. It's either a receiver or it's not. This is the truth . Yep, I see now ........................ thanks |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:46:18 PM EDT
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Isn't OP the guy who was selling grenades at gunshows?  The OP, is a good guy and he is posing a legitimate question. We do not eat our own here, so keep this on track. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:48:27 PM EDT
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Isn't OP the guy who was selling grenades at gunshows? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. Isn't OP the guy who was selling grenades at gunshows? Not me, but I do know the guy that was selling all those objectionable grenades and mines though. 
There are a lot of ATF dudes pretty far up the chain that know me by name...I might be a pain to them sometimes, but I have always been above board. I might have been told a few times that I really shouldn't do things just because I can.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:48:39 PM EDT
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The OP, is a good guy and he is posing a legitimate question. We do not eat our own here, so keep this on track. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Isn't OP the guy who was selling grenades at gunshows? The OP, is a good guy and he is posing a legitimate question. We do not eat our own here, so keep this on track. eta: I read the reply above. Don't mind me
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:50:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:55:08 PM EDT
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OP, could something such as an an educational design be placed on a business card 1/16" thick?
I mean, would it actually fit? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:56:57 PM EDT
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they are in the loophole section.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:59:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Logic says that if it does not in its current form make a firearm fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger, it should be fine. I think the problem will be with the NFA wording about "readily convertible" Dont know that ATF has ever "deemed' to draw the line on that for us. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? Logic says that if it does not in its current form make a firearm fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger, it should be fine. I think the problem will be with the NFA wording about "readily convertible" Dont know that ATF has ever "deemed' to draw the line on that for us. They drew a line when they put a ban on the manufacture of open bolt semiautomatic firearms. The very nature of them makes them readily convertible. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:00:30 PM EDT
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There was a company selling them a couple years ago-basically a piece of metal with marks where to bend it. Seemed shady as hell, they wanted payment in the form of a postal money order made out to cash or left blank(not sure which).
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:02:45 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. There's also a company selling 80% FA backplates for Glocks. "No 80%" or not, they claim it's legal and they say they will not help individuals with completion, only SOT's. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:03:20 PM EDT
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I've got a better idea....
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:04:46 PM EDT
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they don't work with my SSA-E...
ETA...for those suggesting shoe strings, etc, there is a little issue of timing. That is where the LL comes in. Or so I have heard at the LGS
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:05:04 PM EDT
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I seem to recall a guy making a DIAS shaped keychain
Edit: Pic found 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:06:21 PM EDT
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#bumpsaw
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'd send him a picture of Senator Casey's (D) Harrisburg office 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:19:02 PM EDT
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I seem to recall a guy making a DIAS shaped keychain Edit: Pic found http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/zach540/13996263_10154445248202884_4487569588390494239_o.jpg Omg that's hilarious!! |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:23:15 PM EDT
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they don't work with my SSA-E... ETA...for those suggesting shoe strings, etc, there is a little issue of timing. That is where the LL comes in. Or so I have heard at the LGS The SSF is nice. The aluminum box I use to store mine was pretty expensive, though. 
Truth be told, I really just like shooting my RR in semi & enjoy seeing other people smile, on the rare times it comes out of the safe. The risk/benefit of tap dancing close to the unreg NFA line isn't there for me. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:25:46 PM EDT
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Omg that's hilarious!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I seem to recall a guy making a DIAS shaped keychain Edit: Pic found http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/zach540/13996263_10154445248202884_4487569588390494239_o.jpg Omg that's hilarious!! It would be more clever to machine the trip as part of the nose where the keyring attaches. Not a DIAS. It would take a hacksaw, drill, and additional parts to actually become the conversion device. I wouldn't buy one, but I respect the ingenuity. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:28:51 PM EDT
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Now that I typed that, I'm not sure a solvent trap is legally a 80% suppressor. Anyone have more info? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I actually thought of this idea before. I was wondering how long it would take before people started to make these. In theory they should be no more or less legal than a 80% suppressor or solvent trap. But I'm sure the ATF wouldn't take to kindly to the idea. Now that I typed that, I'm not sure a solvent trap is legally a 80% suppressor. Anyone have more info? There's no such thing. It's either a suppressor or it's not. Until you drill holes they're paper weights, storage cups, etc. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:35:40 PM EDT
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It is Rearden Armament, actually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You should put your company name on these 80% lighting links. Spite's Tactical. It is Rearden Armament, actually. I see what you did here. Would it have been made with Rearden steel? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:39:59 PM EDT
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I thought all I had to do was file my firing pin down?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:50:24 PM EDT
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It would be more clever to machine the trip as part of the nose where the keyring attaches. Not a DIAS. It would take a hacksaw, drill, and additional parts to actually become the conversion device. I wouldn't buy one, but I respect the ingenuity. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I seem to recall a guy making a DIAS shaped keychain Edit: Pic found http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/zach540/13996263_10154445248202884_4487569588390494239_o.jpg Omg that's hilarious!! It would be more clever to machine the trip as part of the nose where the keyring attaches. Not a DIAS. It would take a hacksaw, drill, and additional parts to actually become the conversion device. I wouldn't buy one, but I respect the ingenuity. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well he did say an 80% |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 8:58:31 PM EDT
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Good idea thread.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:00:56 PM EDT
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You should hand out solvent traps.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:05:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I seem to recall a guy making a DIAS shaped keychain Edit: Pic found http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt79/zach540/13996263_10154445248202884_4487569588390494239_o.jpg Id totally buy a bunch of those. Same with OP business card idea. I dont own a SP1 carrier nor any low shelf lowers, but on principle. FBATFE. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:07:04 PM EDT
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You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. Tool steel for this then? Never seen or heard of these before. Pretty cool. Is possession of one of these illegal? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:10:49 PM EDT
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I did a bit of reading on a similar topic.
Get hooked up with an SOT. Make half a dozen examples of what you want at various levels of completion. Send them to the ATF tech branch one at a time with the explicit question "Is this a firearm?" or "Is this a machine gun?" - Or something along those lines. Wait a year. When they respond "NO", your chunk of metal/plastic is still just a chunk of metal/plastic. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:12:07 PM EDT
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Tool steel for this then? Never seen or heard of these before. Pretty cool. Is possession of one of these illegal? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. Tool steel for this then? Never seen or heard of these before. Pretty cool. Is possession of one of these illegal? Depends. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 9:16:15 PM EDT
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coc
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