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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:49:11 PM EDT
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I don't have one on my carry gun, but I do on my SHTF gun.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:50:00 PM EDT
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Got nothing to add, interested also.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:51:45 PM EDT
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I edc a glock 30 with a rmr06
Every single person that has shot it has said they need a rds on there handgun in the future |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:53:46 PM EDT
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We're moving into the "game changer" area. Not there yet, but soon.
Like with carbine optics, once the ACOG Ta31 and the Aimpoint m2 dropped, we had tough-as-nails daytime visible optics in wide issue. I don't know what is necessary to get handgun optics up to the same level, but stuff like the Trijicon RMR and the Geissele ALG 6-second mount are getting the ball rolling towards the better (best?) mousetrap. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 6:56:50 PM EDT
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I like mine. Glock 29.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:00:47 PM EDT
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Dots on pistols make a huge difference in hitting small targets (or far away targets).
For me, and for the kind of shots I could realistically see me needing to make with a handgun (read: close and scared shitless) iron sights are just as fast if not a touch faster. Naturally, YMMV, everyone has different eyesight, hand-eye coordination, etc. But for me, the RDS isn't the "game-changah" on the pistol like it is was on the rifle. Irrespective of my personal opinion, the trend is here to stay. USPSA has a "Carry Optics" division now, and it's proving to be pretty popular. Several manufacturers are offering models already cut for optics. I can't wait to see what the next few years brings to market. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for ful integration. Battery, emitter, adjustment system... all built into the slide from the factory. Only the actuall sighting window protrudes from the top of the slide. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:02:31 PM EDT
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I have to admit, I thought it was silly at first.
Now I carry a 19mos with RMR everyday. 
I love it. After a couple of range trips it feels very natural now. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:02:59 PM EDT
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Does lint and crud get on the RMR lens and obstruct the dot ever?
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:05:30 PM EDT
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Just got a new one going to go shoot it Friday.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:06:34 PM EDT
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Going to add one on my revolver
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:06:55 PM EDT
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Benefits: more accurate shots at longer ranges due to smaller dot.
Don't have issues with multiple focal planes, can focus on the target and not have blurry front sight; old man eyes. Don't have to align up sights rear to front, front to target; especially on weird off angle shots Should not be any slower to use than irons if you practice. Use above a suppressor if you carry that way 
Issues: possible battery issues Possible fogging issues in winter Possible sight failure due to mechanical issues Possible issues with water or foreign material on the screen to prevent a clear view of the red dot or backup irons Possible learning curve. Possible astigmatism issues with red dot. Back up irons help mitigate some of the issues above.  " />
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:08:05 PM EDT
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Going to add one on my revolver It's a Judge aint it? 
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:08:27 PM EDT
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Rootbeer will fuck it up
6sec mount and T1 is best |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:10:19 PM EDT
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I'm very interested in the RMS being made by the U.K. company Shield. I've shot a couple of RDS-topped Glocks and M&Ps and they are no joke fast. I was able to clear a plate rack in 3/4 time with a J-point topped 17 compared to my vanilla 19.
I personally believe you'll see a factory RDS topped pistol by the end of the decade. I think we're just entering the practical RDS phase. Think early 2000 for Aimpoints on M4s. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:11:59 PM EDT
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Does lint and crud get on the RMR lens and obstruct the dot ever? Let me be clear... Check my avatar. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:16:25 PM EDT
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Just shot an RMR today. My thoughts, it's to easy to loose the dot. I shot an older model with the fiber optic band. I could shoot my stock G19 much faster. I am sure it's a training issue, but non-the-less it has turned me off. My only interest in an RMR was to shoot my pistol at night with NV. I don't think the pro's outweigh the con's.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:16:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:17:54 PM EDT
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I keep fucking around and NOT ordering the Vortex I need for the new M&P CORE I just bought...and the one I will be picking up soon.
SO I need two of them. 
ETA: Fuckin' bastages!!! Your order is confirmed. Thank you for your purchase! Should you have any questions about the status of your order or wish to modify a current order, please contact [email protected] |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:21:32 PM EDT
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Patiently waiting for Aimpoint to make an RMR sized sight.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:21:47 PM EDT
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Its a complete paradigm shift...no longer are you focused on the front sight expecting COM hits at 25...satisfied with a volleyball sized 50 round group...with a dialed in RMR (and like it or not the Trij RMR IS the gold standard in pistol mounted RDS) mounted on a box stock G19/17 you are now making eyeball shots at 10-15, baseball sized 50 round groups on the head at 25, purposed, intentional head shots at 50, torsos out to 100+...like I said its a paradigm shift...no parallax to deal with, if the guns not perfectly aligned no problem, as long as the dot is on meat its a hit...
G17 and 19s are basically turned into holsterable PCC's with an RMR. My EDC for the last 5 years has been a nicely tuned G19 running suppressor sights, a threaded barrel, RMR01 3.25 moa dot in a Dale Fricke Arch Angel AIWB or a G34 threaded barrel, suppressor sights and an RMR06 3.25 adjustable dot in a DF Seraphim AIWB holster. Corbon 115 DPX in both. My best long shot to date is man size steel at 300 COM 4 out of 5 rounds from a rest. Offhand 10" steel at 100 for a whole magazine. It accells not only at long range or allowing precision shooting at shorter ranges...its also deadly inside too. I am an old school point shooter inside 15 yards and pretty damn good at it too. Now I back up the point shooting with the RDS by simply making sure there is target in the TV Screen of Death...if there is meat in the window your going to score hits inside 10 yards dot aligned or not. Its a game changa... |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:30:07 PM EDT
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Rootbeer will fuck it up 6sec mount and T1 is best right here |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat kind of IWB rig are you using for that ?
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:31:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat would be useless on that awesome setup because I would not be able to see over my giant erection |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:33:03 PM EDT
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DO IT!! |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:33:40 PM EDT
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I want a 6 Second mount and T1 for my G19. Just for fun.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:35:27 PM EDT
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I haven't said this often in the past couple of years, but I'm afraid this thread will cost me money.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:39:22 PM EDT
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If you go RMR for your carry gun, just be damned sure you get a big enough dot that it is visible without having to search for it.
 I have several - and for a carry gun I'd want the 6.5, 7 or 9 moa dot. The 6.5 I have on an AR even takes searching in daylight. In a gunfight, without extra time to locate the dot, the larger moa units might be more practical. My Ruger 22/45 has a 3.5 moa dot and it's accurate but not fast. My FN 45 Tac has a 9 moa dot and is good to go for combat style target acquisition, but it also sports an IR laser for night time and you don't need to line up on the sights then...just put the laser on the target and shoot. I sincerely suggest looking through the various RMRs to find the size and color dot that you can acquire fast enough in bright daylight - so as not to be a detriment to combat shooting. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:42:57 PM EDT
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For gaming and playing and being non commital about the concept a 6 Second Mount and T1 is fine...for deadly EDC an RMR mounted into the slide is best...period...try EDC a 6 second T1 set up in a tee shirt...an everyday shirt...cant be done effectively enough to go unnoticed in an NPE. GLOCK MOS is ok but falls short of a dedicated slide cut for an RMR.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:46:47 PM EDT
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I've shot a couple of pistols with red dots, and personally don't care for them.
I get quicker target acquisition and faster follow up shots with regular open sights. Having said that, a lot of people really seem to like them. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:47:11 PM EDT
[#30]
Thread needs more 6 Second Mounts
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:47:23 PM EDT
[#31]
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Benefits: more accurate shots at longer ranges due to smaller dot. Don't have issues with multiple focal planes, can focus on the target and not have blurry front sight; old man eyes. Don't have to align up sights rear to front, front to target; especially on weird off angle shots Should not be any slower to use than irons if you practice. Use above a suppressor if you carry that way
Issues: possible battery issues Possible fogging issues in winter Possible sight failure due to mechanical issues Possible issues with water or foreign material on the screen to prevent a clear view of the red dot or backup irons Possible learning curve. Possible astigmatism issues with red dot. Back up irons help mitigate some of the issues above. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=92067" /> How are you liking Obsidian? I put in the Form 4 in May, along with a Form 1 for my CZ Scorpion. Plan on pairing those for the most time, but I'm an M&P whore, so my M&Ps will wear it a lot. I've got a full size, compact, shield, and a long slide CORE. I'm REALLY debating throwing a red dot on the CORE, you think it works well? Can you see the irons at all? |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:50:38 PM EDT
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How about for us old farts that need reading glasses? I have a hard time focusing on irons.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:52:21 PM EDT
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Do you like head shots at 100 yards? I do.
Close up (10 yards or so and under) I don't use the dot or backup irons. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:52:29 PM EDT
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My bedside G17 sports a Veridian light and green laser combo. Irons are better for accuracy, but for fast and scared shots, it's quite effective.
I imagine the RMR is similar. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:53:35 PM EDT
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Just shot an RMR today. My thoughts, it's to easy to loose the dot. I shot an older model with the fiber optic band. I could shoot my stock G19 much faster. I am sure it's a training issue, but non-the-less it has turned me off. My only interest in an RMR was to shoot my pistol at night with NV. I don't think the pro's outweigh the con's. in the beginning you loose the dot. once you get used to it finding the dot is no longer an issue. the side effect of that is when using irons you are faster, i was any way. the only negative i found is rain. i shoot in all weather so i know what to expect. the sight i use is a burris Fast fire. it got wet and that was it, the emitter and the glass dont work so well wet. the glass is 50/50 , the emitter needs to be dry. I still really like to use it, nothing more to add that hasn't been said. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:54:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For gaming and playing and being non commital about the concept a 6 Second Mount and T1 is fine...for deadly EDC an RMR mounted into the slide is best...period...try EDC a 6 second T1 set up in a tee shirt...an everyday shirt...cant be done effectively enough to go unnoticed in an NPE. GLOCK MOS is ok but falls short of a dedicated slide cut for an RMR. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 7:55:34 PM EDT
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I haven't said this often in the past couple of years, but I'm afraid this thread will cost me money. See above a few post.....I am $229 poorer 
Fuck GD, you people are a bad influence!!! 
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:10:55 PM EDT
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GLOCK MOS is ok but falls short of a dedicated slide cut for an RMR. How so? |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:13:46 PM EDT
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I like mine. Glock 29. http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/Lokjell/Misc/1008160738_zpsy2pxbm6z.jpg That is freaking badass! Been wanting a G29 for years. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:14:28 PM EDT
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Dots on pistols make a huge difference in hitting small targets (or far away targets). For me, and for the kind of shots I could realistically see me needing to make with a handgun (read: close and scared shitless) iron sights are just as fast if not a touch faster. Naturally, YMMV, everyone has different eyesight, hand-eye coordination, etc. But for me, the RDS isn't the "game-changah" on the pistol like it is was on the rifle. Irrespective of my personal opinion, the trend is here to stay. USPSA has a "Carry Optics" division now, and it's proving to be pretty popular. Several manufacturers are offering models already cut for optics. I can't wait to see what the next few years brings to market. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for ful integration. Battery, emitter, adjustment system... all built into the slide from the factory. Only the actuall sighting window protrudes from the top of the slide. Get out of my head guy. I agree completely with everything you said. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:17:04 PM EDT
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I don't have one on my carry gun, but I do on my SHTF gun. This.... makes point shooting and follow ups FAST.... I can't see carrying one daily tho.. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:18:05 PM EDT
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If you can put a round up a fleas ass at 50 yards with open sights, then something like the RMR 06 on a G19 allows you to do it
at 100 yards at night under Nods.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:21:03 PM EDT
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Safari land is starting to make duty holsters cut for RMR'S if that tells you anything.
Personally, I shot a pistol with an RMR and it felt weird, it went against all iron sight pistol shooting training. You have to pick your head up higher and look over the irons. I'm sure with practice it becomes second nature, but for now I am much slower with an RMR as I have to consciously pick my head up and search for the dot. I think if you get one and learn to shoot well with it, would have to stick with it across the board. Switching btw carry guns w/ and w/out I think could have you behind the curve one way or the other. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:31:12 PM EDT
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I got a pretty big bonus at work a couple of years ago and bought an FNX Tactical and RMR. I don't CCW it although I have a couple of times under big hoodies. It's a sweet night stand gun though. It's super fun at the range, but it takes a lot of practice to draw and find the dot quickly in my experience.
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:34:55 PM EDT
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Just got a new one going to go shoot it Friday. http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l610/Sith_Yarael/Sigp320odg_zpsme1xurfo.jpg Badass motherfucker!!! |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:37:20 PM EDT
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Thread needs more 6 Second Mounts also this. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:39:38 PM EDT
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Tagged for info.
I've always wanted to try this, but I assume the slide would have to be milled, drilled, tapped? And then that would have to be for a specific mounting pattern on a specific RMR? How many guns come with the flat already cut? I don't recall ever seeing that. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:43:04 PM EDT
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Tagged for info. I've always wanted to try this, but I assume the slide would have to be milled, drilled, tapped? And then that would have to be for a specific mounting pattern on a specific RMR? How many guns come with the flat already cut? I don't recall ever seeing that. Glock and M&P. are pre-milled....well some models. Those with a novak cut rear site, some mounts are made for some models. |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:46:15 PM EDT
[#49]
I have an RMR on my M&P.
It's way easier to track than a front site with old guy eyes. I thought it was bullshit till I tried it. Game changuh! |
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Posted: 10/19/2016 8:46:46 PM EDT
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I have to admit, I thought it was silly at first. Now I carry a 19mos with RMR everyday.
I love it. After a couple of range trips it feels very natural now. I completely agree. |
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