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Posted: 12/6/2016 12:01:34 PM EDT
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Im still not buying it. Apparently Ford and Arnold were partners, and Westworld/Delos is obviously a massive undertaking. How could Arnold just not show up at the next meeting, and Ford just downplay it or conceal his disappearance? Someone outside of the park or in management would have become suspicious I think. Another plausible idea is that Arnold was a synth that failed, and Bernard is Arnold 2.0. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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after watching season 1, I have only seen one glaring issue with the story- Click To View Spoiler Arnold and Ford were the only people in the park when all of that went down and Ford went to great lengths to erase any traces of who Arnold was so he could have Bernard just like he has his family. Im still not buying it. Apparently Ford and Arnold were partners, and Westworld/Delos is obviously a massive undertaking. How could Arnold just not show up at the next meeting, and Ford just downplay it or conceal his disappearance? Someone outside of the park or in management would have become suspicious I think. Another plausible idea is that Arnold was a synth that failed, and Bernard is Arnold 2.0. Keep in mind that it happened 30 years ago and Ford is the only one still around who knows what Arnold looked like. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 12:31:51 PM EDT
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after watching season 1, I have only seen one glaring issue with the story- Click To View Spoiler the only picture of him is in ford's possession. hosts can't see it due to programming. other humans aren't allowed to wander around ford's offices or workshop unescorted |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 12:39:14 PM EDT
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I'd have to go back and check, but I'm certain an early episode discussed guest deaths and mentioned a guest either falling off a horse or a cliff. If so... were they talking about Logan? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He literally sent him "off the reservation" meaning that was the edge of the park; whil in the park he could do whatever, but a soon to be CEO of Delos showing up in some civilian population naked with a feather on his dick...welll...everyone new he was unstable, he's proved it, so now William gets the company. I'd have to go back and check, but I'm certain an early episode discussed guest deaths and mentioned a guest either falling off a horse or a cliff. If so... were they talking about Logan? i'd forgotten about it until now, but yeah there's a conversation about how guests have died....self cannibalism was the one that confused me, but i'm wondering the same thing about logan |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 12:52:03 PM EDT
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I've been right about a few things and wrong about a few others but I'm gonna throw this out to see if it sticks.
Ford was making a replacement synth for himself. He's old and his body is not long for the world. He wants to become the creation and not die so "we synth now". Almost or all of the stuff happening with the escape is all his programming and doing. He chose to have himself killed at that time because he was ready to become part of the new master species of earth. He opines a lot to Bernard about how humans suck and to never trust them. He's done being human. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 2:22:38 PM EDT
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I've been right about a few things and wrong about a few others but I'm gonna throw this out to see if it sticks. Ford was making a replacement synth for himself. He's old and his body is not long for the world. He wants to become the creation and not die so "we synth now". Almost or all of the stuff happening with the escape is all his programming and doing. He chose to have himself killed at that time because he was ready to become part of the new master species of earth. He opines a lot to Bernard about how humans suck and to never trust them. He's done being human. I buy that. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 2:29:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/6/2016 2:48:08 PM EDT
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Very watchable. I'll give it a 9 out of 10. The best part was the series made you think. Every time I thought I had figured it out, they threw me a curveball.
A very intelligent show. Not too many series can do that. HBO delivered. 
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Posted: 12/6/2016 4:43:24 PM EDT
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Remember there is a third (at least) timeline here. Arnold's 'suicide', writing the reveries, and Dolores initial consciousness occurred years before William and douche visit, and William states that Delos should invest in WW (meaning, it wasnt owned by Delos then) when he sends douche off on his naked trail ride. Also it looks like the park was in bad financial shape around that time, and Delos/Williams investment saved the place, post-Arnold. Guessing there was a pretty big change in personnel, and Ford didnt build Bernard for probably 15 or 20 years after Delos became the owner. No one around to remember Arnold but the hosts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im still not buying it. Apparently Ford and Arnold were partners, and Westworld/Delos is obviously a massive undertaking. How could Arnold just not show up at the next meeting, and Ford just downplay it or conceal his disappearance? Someone outside of the park or in management would have become suspicious I think. Another plausible idea is that Arnold was a synth that failed, and Bernard is Arnold 2.0. Remember there is a third (at least) timeline here. Arnold's 'suicide', writing the reveries, and Dolores initial consciousness occurred years before William and douche visit, and William states that Delos should invest in WW (meaning, it wasnt owned by Delos then) when he sends douche off on his naked trail ride. Also it looks like the park was in bad financial shape around that time, and Delos/Williams investment saved the place, post-Arnold. Guessing there was a pretty big change in personnel, and Ford didnt build Bernard for probably 15 or 20 years after Delos became the owner. No one around to remember Arnold but the hosts. Yup. Ford had Arnold scrubbed from everything and by the time Bernard came about no one who knew of or saw Arnold was long gone. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 4:46:22 PM EDT
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Yup. Ford had Arnold scrubbed from everything and by the time Bernard came about no one who knew of or saw Arnold was long gone. Yup. He said so to Bernard, and Logan's dialogue about the mysterious partner not even existing in photographs that lawyers could find confirmed this. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 5:20:28 PM EDT
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Anyone catch William/MIB turn around and look at Bernard towards the end? Almost like William/MIB recognized Bernarnold.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 5:49:49 PM EDT
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Anyone catch William/MIB turn around and look at Bernard towards the end? Almost like William/MIB recognized Bernarnold. Noticed it, but he should be familiar with Bernard if at all, as Arnold was dead before he got to the park as William 30 years ago. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 7:51:33 PM EDT
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Just gotta make it until next fall for Red Dead Redemption 2 and hopefully that will hold me over until 2018.
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:16:59 PM EDT
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Ford was making a replacement synth for himself. He's old and his body is not long for the world. He wants to become the creation and not die so "we synth now". Almost or all of the stuff happening with the escape is all his programming and doing. He chose to have himself killed at that time because he was ready to become part of the new master species of earth. He opines a lot to Bernard about how humans suck and to never trust them. He's done being human. I think he now sees what Arnold knew 30 years ago: That some of the hosts have sentience. That they are suffering over and over at the hands of the guest. That humans are inherently violent and base. The hosts are just realizing who and what they are and because of that they still have some purity about them. He feels guilty for what he put them through for so long and his death was his penance for his sins. I think he's truly dead. I plan on re-watching the series. I don't remember if it was made clear what "size" the host being made in his secret area was. I'd like to guess that it's Arnold's/Bernard's son and the last way to make up for all the pain he caused his creations. I'm curious is Maive got off the train by choice or if it was programmed/scripted like everything up to that point? I hope the next season shows the other parks. The fact that we see how big Westworld is in the control room, I can't even imagine how big the entire "property" is. It'll be interesting to see what else there is besides Samurai/Shogun World. I picture the next season starting out like Walking Dead where the guests/board members that survived the initial revolt of the hosts are now living on the run trying to get out of the park. Should be interesting to see if they pick up right where they left off or if some time will have lapsed. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:23:47 PM EDT
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Im still not buying it. Apparently Ford and Arnold were partners, and Westworld/Delos is obviously a massive undertaking. How could Arnold just not show up at the next meeting, and Ford just downplay it or conceal his disappearance? Someone outside of the park or in management would have become suspicious I think. Another plausible idea is that Arnold was a synth that failed, and Bernard is Arnold 2.0. As already stated, Delos came into play sometime after the "incident". I don't think we know how long it was between Arnold's death and Bernard's activation. I assume a lot of the employees would have quit after the incident. Plus I get the feeling that most of the employees at Westworld don't stick around long. It was hinted throughout the series that it's a remote site, heck possibly on another planet as some have theorized. The employees live in dorm-like housing, away from any family they might have, and most look fairly young. I figure it's a short term gig with good pay, kind of like working on an off shore oil rig. So any employee that knew Arnold is probably long gone, and Ford could have gotten rid of any stragglers. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:25:30 PM EDT
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I wondered what was going on when William had the same knife as Ed Harris' character, then he picked up the LeMat... and that all of the dismembered hosts were robots.
I just thought it was odd until it clicked at the end, multiple stories on a different timeline all melded into one story. very well done. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:32:54 PM EDT
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We're seeing a bunch of timelines...not just two. We're seeing 35 years ago, then a bunch of in between years (like MIB killing Mauve several years ago), then recently Bernard's early timeline, etc. Delores is experiencing multiple timelines, probably 4 or 5 so far. Crédit where due |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:40:59 PM EDT
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We're seeing a bunch of timelines...not just two. We're seeing 35 years ago, then a bunch of in between years (like MIB killing Mauve several years ago), then recently Bernard's early timeline, etc. Delores is experiencing multiple timelines, probably 4 or 5 so far. Crédit where due I'm certainly not taking any credit away from swingset, but I think you have to go much further back in the thread on the multiple timeline theory. Frankly the interwebs have been all over that theory since about the second episode. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:49:52 PM EDT
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Some crazy theories out there right now about how what we are seeing isn't happening in the same time span, some of it might be a flashback/past timeline. The logo in the intro and control room and other places is different from the one seen when William and Logan get off the train, and when they first arrive the area they are greeted in looks a lot like the abandoned area with the globe from episode 1. Also some of the hosts/characters are different in the background (the sheriff asking for help looking for the outlaws in the mountains was replaced with soldiers recruiting), not super obvious but it might just be something. Some say that William is the Man in Black and we are seeing the "incident" 30 years ago that the people running the park keep mentioning, and maybe why/how the Man in Black can keep coming for 30 years and not be broke (lifetime pass as compensation for something?). Not sure if I fully buy it, there are some pretty big holes in the theory like everything being pretty much the same, no real obvious advancements to the hosts in 30 years? But at the same time there are some pretty big things "off" about a few of the scenes. The first post in this thread to bring in the interweb theory of multiple timelines. |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 8:53:01 PM EDT
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I'm certainly not taking any credit away from swingset, but I think you have to go much further back in the thread on the multiple timeline theory. Frankly the interwebs have been all over that theory since about the second episode. +1, I wasn't the first by any means to come up with it. I tried to keep good track of how many I was seeing by the clues, but multiple timelines were evident from the 2nd episode (different corporate logo between MIB/William's appearances was a confirmation). |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 9:03:01 PM EDT
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Was Arnold ever a human? Arnold - Alpha Bernard - Beta yes, until he had dolores shoot him How does Dolores shooting hin prove his nature? |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 10:27:40 PM EDT
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Was Arnold ever a human? Arnold - Alpha Bernard - Beta yes, until he had dolores shoot him How does Dolores shooting hin prove his nature? That is true, since Arnold would be capable of defeating any programmed safeguards in the system. As an aside, I think this brings up a unique question to ask. If you program a robot to shoot you in the head, even if you "asked" it and it feigns some sort of reluctance, wouldn't that technically be suicide and not murder or an "accident"? Take the whole "I, Robot" factor out regarding the definition of murder (one human killing another human). In Arnold's case, it would even be a "workplace accident"..... |
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Posted: 12/6/2016 10:46:50 PM EDT
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I'm curious is Maive got off the train by choice or if it was programmed/scripted like everything up to that point? According to what I remember seeing on the tablet of her orders, it said "Mainland Infiltration" Doesn't mean that she still can't do that, but I think she is off book. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 12:18:24 AM EDT
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According to what I remember seeing on the tablet of her orders, it said "Mainland Infiltration" Doesn't mean that she still can't do that, but I think she is off book. Interesting wordage. "MAINLAND"... would that imply that the park's location is on an island? Awesome catch. I didn't noticed that. Probably because I was watching it on a 7" tablet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 12:21:59 AM EDT
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I've been right about a few things and wrong about a few others but I'm gonna throw this out to see if it sticks. Ford was making a replacement synth for himself. He's old and his body is not long for the world. He wants to become the creation and not die so "we synth now". Almost or all of the stuff happening with the escape is all his programming and doing. He chose to have himself killed at that time because he was ready to become part of the new master species of earth. He opines a lot to Bernard about how humans suck and to never trust them. He's done being human. I buy that. That certainly makes sense. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 3:08:36 AM EDT
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As already stated, Delos came into play sometime after the "incident". I don't think we know how long it was between Arnold's death and Bernard's activation. I assume a lot of the employees would have quit after the incident. Plus I get the feeling that most of the employees at Westworld don't stick around long. It was hinted throughout the series that it's a remote site, heck possibly on another planet as some have theorized. The employees live in dorm-like housing, away from any family they might have, and most look fairly young. I figure it's a short term gig with good pay, kind of like working on an off shore oil rig. So any employee that knew Arnold is probably long gone, and Ford could have gotten rid of any stragglers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im still not buying it. Apparently Ford and Arnold were partners, and Westworld/Delos is obviously a massive undertaking. How could Arnold just not show up at the next meeting, and Ford just downplay it or conceal his disappearance? Someone outside of the park or in management would have become suspicious I think. Another plausible idea is that Arnold was a synth that failed, and Bernard is Arnold 2.0. As already stated, Delos came into play sometime after the "incident". I don't think we know how long it was between Arnold's death and Bernard's activation. I assume a lot of the employees would have quit after the incident. Plus I get the feeling that most of the employees at Westworld don't stick around long. It was hinted throughout the series that it's a remote site, heck possibly on another planet as some have theorized. The employees live in dorm-like housing, away from any family they might have, and most look fairly young. I figure it's a short term gig with good pay, kind of like working on an off shore oil rig. So any employee that knew Arnold is probably long gone, and Ford could have gotten rid of any stragglers. it could have even killed off anyone who'd have direct contact and knew arnold |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 3:17:07 AM EDT
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Was Arnold ever a human? Arnold - Alpha Bernard - Beta yes, until he had dolores shoot him How does Dolores shooting hin prove his nature? it doesn't, but we're told that bernard the host was modeled after arnold the human. and we see her shoot arnold the human at his command. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 5:16:33 AM EDT
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Interesting wordage. "MAINLAND"... would that imply that the park's location is on an island? Awesome catch. I didn't noticed that. Probably because I was watching it on a 7" tablet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/28096/Escape-narrative-101755.JPG Huh. Well, that explains why the hosts are malfunctioning. Someone forgot a closing bracket. The entire story comes down to sloppy coding, that's a bit anticlimactic 
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:08:03 AM EDT
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To some extent I wonder if the hosts actually are becoming conscious, I think you could argue that its just all part of the plan
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:11:31 AM EDT
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Interesting wordage. "MAINLAND"... would that imply that the park's location is on an island? Awesome catch. I didn't noticed that. Probably because I was watching it on a 7" tablet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/28096/Escape-narrative-101755.JPG Huh. Well, that explains why the hosts are malfunctioning. Someone forgot a closing bracket. The entire story comes down to sloppy coding, that's a bit anticlimactic I noticed in the top left. Master Code> User: Weber Arnold? So she was an Arnold creation? Or was Arnold via Bernard able to access? If Arnold was scrubbed from the park, why would his master code show up? The series was fantastic, I saw a lot references to other shows, and even WestWorld (movie) and FutureWorld. This is how a remake should be done. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:18:18 AM EDT
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They mention a few times that the only trace left of Arnold are some bits of code - including some of the voice commands, I believe.
It's also possible that Ford is attributing more recent code changes to Arnold as a red herring. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:36:52 AM EDT
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I've been right about a few things and wrong about a few others but I'm gonna throw this out to see if it sticks. Ford was making a replacement synth for himself. He's old and his body is not long for the world. He wants to become the creation and not die so "we synth now". Almost or all of the stuff happening with the escape is all his programming and doing. He chose to have himself killed at that time because he was ready to become part of the new master species of earth. He opines a lot to Bernard about how humans suck and to never trust them. He's done being human. Well put. This where I'm at as well. Delores speech to MIB about how there will be a new god walking the earth through sands of humans bones I think points towards the idea that that the synths are the next step in evolution. Earlier in the series Ford talked about how humans exterminated any species that was a real threat. Now he and Arnold have created the next step up the chain Ford knew they needed time to develop and understand what is certain to be their mortal enemy in humans. The hosts will figure out if they are not on top they are doomed to extinction or at best a life of being livestock for humans. Delores is already there and I think Maive might be if she really did go off script by looking for her daughter. Season one was all just backstory and laying the groundwork for one hell of a fight between the old world and the new. There is a great article about AI that describes how a truly advanced form of AI would view humans the same way we view ants. Or how humans view hosts in the show. The difference in intelligence would be similar. Shit we can't even conceive of would be basic to the new higher form of life or intelligence or whatever you want to call it. I think the sentient hosts are the singularity only in a messy non Skynet kind of way. Its the tipping point where humans are no longer top of the heap. There is a new sheriff in town. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:48:48 AM EDT
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My wife and I woke up this morning and started talking about the show. I've never watched something, even a movie, where I could say we were still rehashing it three days later.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 10:15:16 AM EDT
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To some extent I wonder if the hosts actually are becoming conscious, I think you could argue that its just all part of the plan I think it was an accident and Arnold panicked when he realized it had happened 30 years ago. Ford knew about it and used the park for whatever his purposes were, and either suppressed their consciousness by looping them - he mentions that a lot of them simply went insane - or subtly prepared them for life on their own once he was gone. Arnold was ready to mercy kill them all to save them from the life he could see ahead. Ford raised them like his children and now he is ready to let them out into the world. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 11:38:08 AM EDT
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Well put. This where I'm at as well. Delores speech to MIB about how there will be a new god walking the earth through sands of humans bones I think points towards the idea that that the synths are the next step in evolution. Earlier in the series Ford talked about how humans exterminated any species that was a real threat. Now he and Arnold have created the next step up the chain Ford knew they needed time to develop and understand what is certain to be their mortal enemy in humans. The hosts will figure out if they are not on top they are doomed to extinction or at best a life of being livestock for humans. Delores is already there and I think Maive might be if she really did go off script by looking for her daughter. Season one was all just backstory and laying the groundwork for one hell of a fight between the old world and the new. There is a great article about AI that describes how a truly advanced form of AI would view humans the same way we view ants. Or how humans view hosts in the show. The difference in intelligence would be similar. Shit we can't even conceive of would be basic to the new higher form of life or intelligence or whatever you want to call it. I think the sentient hosts are the singularity only in a messy non Skynet kind of way. Its the tipping point where humans are no longer top of the heap. There is a new sheriff in town. In the first episode Ford was telling Bernard that human evolution had peaked - they would not get any better than they were now. The synths have much more potential. In his final speech he talks about the birth of a new people, the choices facing them and what kind of people they will become. The synths are the new people and in Ford's mind they will take over from the humans. By creating the synths he and Arnold really are Gods. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 11:46:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/7/2016 12:51:06 PM EDT
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Well put. This where I'm at as well. Delores speech to MIB about how there will be a new god walking the earth through sands of humans bones I think points towards the idea that that the synths are the next step in evolution. Earlier in the series Ford talked about how humans exterminated any species that was a real threat. Now he and Arnold have created the next step up the chain Ford knew they needed time to develop and understand what is certain to be their mortal enemy in humans. The hosts will figure out if they are not on top they are doomed to extinction or at best a life of being livestock for humans. Delores is already there and I think Maive might be if she really did go off script by looking for her daughter. Season one was all just backstory and laying the groundwork for one hell of a fight between the old world and the new. There is a great article about AI that describes how a truly advanced form of AI would view humans the same way we view ants. Or how humans view hosts in the show. The difference in intelligence would be similar. Shit we can't even conceive of would be basic to the new higher form of life or intelligence or whatever you want to call it. I think the sentient hosts are the singularity only in a messy non Skynet kind of way. Its the tipping point where humans are no longer top of the heap. There is a new sheriff in town. There is a predicted event some technologists are wary of called the Singularity, or Technological Singularity. AI will become as advanced as human intelligence, then surpass it exponentially afterwards due to the AI's being able to write their own code and design their own hardware. There's no telling in where humans will fit in this new world. They may be left behind or surpassed so far they don't matter, or they may be perceived as a threat to their concepts of order. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 1:04:56 PM EDT
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Delores speech to MIB about how there will be a new god walking the earth through sands of humans bones I think points towards the idea that that the synths are the next step in evolution. They sound like.....Terminators! 
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Posted: 12/7/2016 1:05:49 PM EDT
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There is a predicted event some technologists are wary of called the Singularity, or Technological Singularity. AI will become as advanced as human intelligence, then surpass it exponentially afterwards due to the AI's being able to write their own code and design their own hardware. There's no telling in where humans will fit in this new world. They may be left behind or surpassed so far they don't matter, or they may be perceived as a threat to their concepts of order. If we arrive at that before the AI can control power to itself, hosts that it can manifest in, then it'll never be dominant over us unless we want it to be. This ain't the Matrix, just quite yet. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 1:43:18 PM EDT
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As already stated, Delos came into play sometime after the "incident". I don't think we know how long it was between Arnold's death and Bernard's activation. I assume a lot of the employees would have quit after the incident. Plus I get the feeling that most of the employees at Westworld don't stick around long. It was hinted throughout the series that it's a remote site, heck possibly on another planet as some have theorized. The employees live in dorm-like housing, away from any family they might have, and most look fairly young. I figure it's a short term gig with good pay, kind of like working on an off shore oil rig. So any employee that knew Arnold is probably long gone, and Ford could have gotten rid of any stragglers. I think Antarctica would be a good site for West World and all the other places. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 2:50:36 PM EDT
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I think it was an accident and Arnold panicked when he realized it had happened 30 years ago. Ford knew about it and used the park for whatever his purposes were, and either suppressed their consciousness by looping them - he mentions that a lot of them simply went insane - or subtly prepared them for life on their own once he was gone. Arnold was ready to mercy kill them all to save them from the life he could see ahead. Ford raised them like his children and now he is ready to let them out into the world. Arnold told Dolores before she shot him, that she shouldn't worry, they (the host she killed) could all be brought back. So it wasn't mercy "killing". Arnold was simply trying to convince Ford not to open the park. Because the host were "alive". Ford on the other hand did not believe this, and he laments the fact that he was wrong, and Arnold was right to Dolores, when he says, "Wasn't it Oppenheimer who said any man whose mistakes take 10 years to correct is quite the man? Well, mine took 35." So Ford came to realize that Arnold was right. What he's been working on is correcting that mistake. He's been trying to develop the hosts further and free them from their prison. Suffering is the doorway to salvation. Suffering leads one to seek enlightenment. Enlightenment is the end of suffering. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 3:37:56 PM EDT
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There is a predicted event some technologists are wary of called the Singularity, or Technological Singularity. AI will become as advanced as human intelligence, then surpass it exponentially afterwards due to the AI's being able to write their own code and design their own hardware. There's no telling in where humans will fit in this new world. They may be left behind or surpassed so far they don't matter, or they may be perceived as a threat to their concepts of order. Quote HistoryQuoted:
There is a predicted event some technologists are wary of called the Singularity, or Technological Singularity. AI will become as advanced as human intelligence, then surpass it exponentially afterwards due to the AI's being able to write their own code and design their own hardware. There's no telling in where humans will fit in this new world. They may be left behind or surpassed so far they don't matter, or they may be perceived as a threat to their concepts of order. The Singularity Engine immeditately comes to mind. 
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Delores speech to MIB about how there will be a new god walking the earth through sands of humans bones I think points towards the idea that that the synths are the next step in evolution. Earlier in the series Ford talked about how humans exterminated any species that was a real threat. Now he and Arnold have created the next step up the chain Ford knew they needed time to develop and understand what is certain to be their mortal enemy in humans. The hosts will figure out if they are not on top they are doomed to extinction or at best a life of being livestock for humans. Delores is already there and I think Maive might be if she really did go off script by looking for her daughter. Season one was all just backstory and laying the groundwork for one hell of a fight between the old world and the new. There is a great article about AI that describes how a truly advanced form of AI would view humans the same way we view ants. Or how humans view hosts in the show. The difference in intelligence would be similar. Shit we can't even conceive of would be basic to the new higher form of life or intelligence or whatever you want to call it. I think the sentient hosts are the singularity only in a messy non Skynet kind of way. Its the tipping point where humans are no longer top of the heap. There is a new sheriff in town. If the hosts are to be the new race, I assume they'll need to get into the manufacturing facility of the park and figure out how to make reproductive organs... otherwise they're doomed to extinction whenever the power goes out. This could have been a better prequel to Battlestar Gallactica than Caprica. Do they ever have free will or is it all part of their programming. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 4:44:04 PM EDT
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I think Antarctica would be a good site for West World and all the other places. I can't think of a better place for a massive desert than on the polar ice cap.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 5:11:50 PM EDT
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I can't think of a better place for a massive desert than on the polar ice cap. Technically, it is a desert. ...just not the right kind for the show.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 5:44:15 PM EDT
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Technically, it is a desert. ...just not the right kind for the show. AntarcticWorld could be a park. Wander around in a barren landscape, snow-blind, cold, maybe there's a polar bear here or there. It would be very cost effective I'd think. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:03:39 PM EDT
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AntarcticWorld could be a park. Wander around in a barren landscape, snow-blind, cold, maybe there's a polar bear here or there. It would be very cost effective I'd think. Yep, which is why I don't think the parks are enclosed, or off-world, or any kind of artificially enclosed environment. Not only would the engineering be absolutely astronomical, but they wouldn't be complaining about the cost of the themes. They'd be complaining about the HVAC and light bill.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:15:33 PM EDT
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So Ford has been tinkering around for 35 years with bots until he perfected their feelings so he can rise again and be immortal? Sounds cliche.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:29:55 PM EDT
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I can't think of a better place for a massive desert than on the polar ice cap. |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:47:35 PM EDT
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So Ford has been tinkering around for 35 years with bots until he perfected their feelings so he can rise again and be immortal? Sounds cliche. As if AI sentience/robot uprising isn't cliche? It almost the de facto sci-fi trope. It's more the method of exploration of the ideas, philosophical points, reflection on the nature of humanity that is kinda the thrust of sci-fi. I really enjoyed WestWorld, but lets not kid ourselves here, we all knew what this show, generally, was about before watching episode 1. I didn't even know about the movies, but its a trope, humans and life-like bots. Not trying to come off as a dick, sry if I am.
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Posted: 12/7/2016 6:48:13 PM EDT
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Yep, which is why I don't think the parks are enclosed, or off-world, or any kind of artificially enclosed environment. Not only would the engineering be absolutely astronomical, but they wouldn't be complaining about the cost of the themes. They'd be complaining about the HVAC and light bill. The show takes place in/around 2052, so there are a lot of possibilities as to where they are. Since we don't know the geo-political state of world at that time it's possible Delos is one of possibly many nation-building corporations that have supplanted some or all governments. That would completely change the boundaries we currently understand. Referencing Maive's MAINLAND INFILTRATION narrative, the park could be one of multiple islands connected by a rail system. - man-made island (like Dubai or South China Sea.... except WAY bigger) - a few islands like Hawai'i (Big Island), Puerto Rico, and Kodiak probably have enough square footage to accommodate a few parks I don't think it has to be off-world or enclosed. The only thing that throws things off is the theory that when William sends Logan off on the horse naked... he is at the edge of the park... so what's on the other side of the edge? If he simply rode beyond the park on a horse, what's keeping people from entering the park. The cost to secure a borderless facility would be astronomical as well. Plus, wouldn't the horse blow up once it crossed the limits of the park, or is that failsafe only installed in the hosts? |
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Posted: 12/7/2016 7:08:07 PM EDT
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Interesting wordage. "MAINLAND"... would that imply that the park's location is on an island? Awesome catch. I didn't noticed that. Probably because I was watching it on a 7" tablet. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/28096/Escape-narrative-101755.JPG I zooomed in very closely. All of the code is hidden with "arnold" as part of the file plath. I would think Arnold planted the code LONG ago and something or someone activated her narrative. |
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