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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:03:35 PM EDT

Frau Hessian has been working with this employer for over 10 years and working for him for over a year. She left a job making twice as much with good benefits in order to work for this practice for half as much and no benefits.(I picked her up on my health insurance)
She and other employees have worked extra hours numerous times while only being paid for "8 hours" with no complaints. That being said, my wife and her coworkers tell me they love working with each other and their patients.
Today her employer handed the employees an "addendum" to sign which reads in part "Any gross negligence, dishonest or willful act on duty resulting in significant damages or financial loss to the practice(redacted) by the employee will be subject to: (1) Reimbursing the practice either by installment or by lump sum, (2) Reduction in job hours, (3) Resignation."
He then told them they could sign it or submit their resignation by tomorrow morning.
Frau Hessian was floored! She told him that she was offended. He then questioned the employees "loyalty" and seemed upset.
When he was reminded of the many times that employees worked over 8 hours uncompensated, he said he was unaware of it.
He told them to sign or resign.
What does Arfcom make of this?

Sign

Resign

Call in sick

ETA: Frau Hessian has already accepted another position at a significant increase in pay and benefits. I think her employer is attempting to "chase off" employees and close his practice. He made a statement about going someplace where "he could make more money."

ETA2: Frau Hessian is highly qualified and respected in her chosen profession. She took the job to work with lifelong friends and help her employer. Last week, when things started "going south," within hours of posting her resume/application, she was contacted by a former supervisor and re-hired within a couple days. The other employees are currently seeing the writing on the wall and are seeking other positions.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:08:31 PM EDT

[#1]

He sounds like a sociopath

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:09:14 PM EDT

[#2]

This is a tough one. How are the other conditions? Coworker attitudes? Office culture?

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:09:41 PM EDT

[#3]

Sign it and start looking for another job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:09:45 PM EDT

[#4]

Resign

Wait why did she take a pay cut for this job?

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:10:35 PM EDT

[#5]

Resign

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:11:20 PM EDT

[#6]

f that noise, i would resign

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:11:43 PM EDT

[#7]

Eject.

Her, not you. From the job. Sociopath. Sign it in the meantime to get by. A job is better than no job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:11:54 PM EDT

[#8]

I would do neither. I would make him fire me and assuming that it is not an at will state sue the ever loving hell out of him for wrongful termination.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:12:07 PM EDT

[#9]

Resign and make calls about all the unpaid hours. Make his anus sore.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:12:18 PM EDT

[#10]

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This is the smart answer.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:12:22 PM EDT

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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:12:34 PM EDT

[#12]

Ask a lawyer who works with employment stuff in your state if that has any signifigance.

GD will just give you a lot of bullshit.

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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:12:54 PM EDT

[#13]

I guess she should freshen up her resume. I know I would, right now.
What other "addendums" are coming next?

The loyalty thing would've pissed me off completely.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:13:30 PM EDT

[#14]

Reaign, and sue for unpaid hours.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:14:25 PM EDT

[#15]

Start looking for another job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:14:34 PM EDT

[#16]

Sounds like constructive dismissal might come into play. Which means potentially wrongful termination even if she resigns.

Also, it seems like signing would be under duress (sign or resign) making it potentially invalid.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:14:36 PM EDT

[#17]

EJECT, EJECT, EJECT. Your wife's boss is an asshole. See if she can get her old 2x money job back.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:14:41 PM EDT

[#18]

In before a bunch of shit gets dumped on the employees?

sign and look for another job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:15:06 PM EDT

[#19]

Resign effective immediately!

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:15:31 PM EDT

[#20]

Have somebody forge her name. Signed.... But not signed

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:16:05 PM EDT

[#21]

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She left a job making twice as much with good benefits in order to work for this practice for half as much and no benefits.

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Explain why she is intentionally working her way down the ladder of success.

No-one cuts their pay in half and gives up benefits for the betterment of mankind. Tell the whole story.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:16:06 PM EDT

[#22]

Sign it and take it up with the labour board.
Tell the board she had to sign under duress.

That is total horsehit and way beyond law here.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:17:05 PM EDT

[#23]

Call in to look for other employment

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:18:10 PM EDT

[#24]

Boss is a dirtbag. Get a new one.

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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:18:47 PM EDT

[#25]

I'd tell that motherfucker to fuck right the fuck off, for fuck's sake. Fuck.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:18:50 PM EDT

[#26]

You can't sign for another persons general liability. You are, in most (99.99%) of employment instances, an authorized agent of that entity.

That would be likely found severable under most state laws.

So SIGN it, let them try and collect.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:18:51 PM EDT

[#27]

Fuck that. Don't sign and don't resign. If he wants to open the can of worms by firing her then so be it---that's what I'd tell me wife.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:18:57 PM EDT

[#28]

I would not sign it, there could be something he is not telling. then you sign it and the next day hits her up for damages or some other bullshit.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:19:04 PM EDT

[#29]

Why would she leave a job that paid 2x's as much with benefits...to go work for an asshat?

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:19:20 PM EDT

[#30]

If the job is not needed, with his attitude I resign. Too bad you could not go back and claim back wages for work over 8 hrs. On second thought is this happening at other practices?

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:20:13 PM EDT

[#31]

That would set off every alarm bell in my head.

I've literally told employers to fuck off over less.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:20:51 PM EDT

[#32]

Is that even remotely legal?

Fuck your resignation. Fire me bitch.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:21:58 PM EDT

[#33]

She should resign... too many better jobs out there for her to be taking those risk. I mean it is essentially putting the employees on the hook at the managements discretion for any screw ups. Why risk the financial hit or the hit to your integrity/reputation when you don't have to.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:21:58 PM EDT

[#34]

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THIS!!!!!!!

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:23:07 PM EDT

[#35]

How about sign it with her left (or weak) hand, begin immediately looking for another job, and in the mean time do absolutely nothing that could even possibly remotely cause any damages?

EDIT: no, on second thought, don't sign it and challenge him to fire her. This is assuming you can afford a couple months of unemployment. Unemployment is low; assuming this is a profession in reasonable demand she'll have a new job within a couple months. When asked why she's out of work, be honest but add some spice about how it was a trick to somehow screw-over the employees. I'll leave you guys to concoct that story as I don't know the industry.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:23:27 PM EDT

[#36]

How much is her integrity worth?

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:24:19 PM EDT

[#37]

Resign, find something better.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:24:48 PM EDT

[#38]

Time to move on, better jobs out there.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:25:21 PM EDT

[#39]

This sounds like a no-brainer. Time to go back to the other job where she made twice as much. (Assuming that that job is still available.)

In the meantime, it seems to me that these employees have a lot of leverage with this employer, which they are not using. Let's say they all agreed to tender their resignations. There's a good chance the employer would withdraw his demand. If not, he's an idiot.

Collective action for the win.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:25:24 PM EDT

[#40]

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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:25:38 PM EDT

[#41]

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I would do neither. I would make him fire me and assuming that it is not an at will state sue the ever loving hell out of him for wrongful termination.

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I'd make him fire me and try to go for unemployment. I know in my state you can receive unemployment if you quit with "good cause" but being laid off would make it easier.

I'm guessing the owner is trying to make people resign instead as it would be harder to get unemployment(although not impossible).

Either way I'd go to the labor board on the unpaid time. Who knows she might get a nice check as she leaves.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:27:31 PM EDT

[#42]

Resign and tell her to go back to where she was making more money.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:27:41 PM EDT

[#43]

Is that even legal, holding employee personally liable for on-the-job incidents? Isn't that what insurance is for? I wouldn't sign or resign. But the fact the she traded down makes things a bit shady.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:27:56 PM EDT

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Fuck that. Don't sign and don't resign. If he wants to open the can of worms by firing her then so be it---that's what I'd tell me wife.

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This. And freshen up the resume and start looking for a better job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:27:58 PM EDT

[#45]

His practice is swirling around the bowl and about to go under. Find a new job.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:28:12 PM EDT

[#46]

Tell him that she wants to have her lawyer review the document first.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:28:15 PM EDT

[#47]

There was a court case about 15 years ago that ruled that hourly workers could not work for free even it was voluntary. Make him fire her, submit a complaint with the state. He is due for some Karma.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:28:55 PM EDT

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this...both things

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:29:23 PM EDT

[#49]

I'd suggest to coordinate with the other employees and go to work like nothing happened. If it's a small office type thing, he'll be Sol. If he fires them, they can always give an anonymous tip to the local paper about whatever such and such happened.

That's the asshole in me speaking.

Posted: 9/27/2016 10:29:40 PM EDT

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