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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No there isn't. Not in VA. A magistrate will issue an emergency protective order on the word of a person, on the spot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:I also learned something, and learning is good. I learned that I fundamentally disagree with that particular decision, but there is precedent. Still troubling, as is "no fly, no buy", whereby your rights are taken away without due process, and you then have to fight to have them restored. Which he also supports. He paid lip service to establishing a process by which you get them back, but he still fundamentally supports deprivation of rights without due process. Funny, I haven't heard you upset about Lautenberg. Due process. Lautenberg is unconstitutional but there is due process. It at least requires a conviction. No there isn't. Not in VA. A magistrate will issue an emergency protective order on the word of a person, on the spot. Same here. But the emergency (here's it's called "temporary") does not permanently deprive someone of their guns. It's still scary as shit that someone can get en ex parte order to have your property confiscated. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:07:50 PM EDT
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lol, yup you got me. I'm a huge #NeverTrumper 
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have 
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. Points out the error in assuming binary choice on supporting trump. Immediately resorts to binary choice for anyone saying anything negative about the debate. Real clever delivery but where did I say that? hell I pointed out myself I thought he did a poor job. If you read the thread you'll find examples of idiots telling all the Trump supporters to leave this board forever. Seems downright ridiculous that members on this board are telling supporters of the Republican nominee to leave a pro 2A board because of a bad debate? 
Fucking bizaroo world. But continue with your circle jerk. You realize who started this thread, right? You realize I think trump did a better job than he does, right? You're the only one circle jerking here with your "closet never trumpers" bullshit. lol, yup you got me. I'm a huge #NeverTrumper
And no, just like the rest of this forum I have absolutely no idea who you are. Protip: this thread about how bad trump sucked was started by one of the orange Jesus worshippers from the primaries. That should start the wheels turning for you. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:08:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not true at all. restraining order or accusation of abuse is all that is required. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:I also learned something, and learning is good. I learned that I fundamentally disagree with that particular decision, but there is precedent. Still troubling, as is "no fly, no buy", whereby your rights are taken away without due process, and you then have to fight to have them restored. Which he also supports. He paid lip service to establishing a process by which you get them back, but he still fundamentally supports deprivation of rights without due process. Funny, I haven't heard you upset about Lautenberg. Due process. Lautenberg is unconstitutional but there is due process. It at least requires a conviction. not true at all. restraining order or accusation of abuse is all that is required. There is a difference between temporary and permanent. Once the protective order expires or is dropped they get their guns back. In order to become a permanent prohibited person there needs to be a conviction. It's all unconstitutional as hell of course. ETA: And of course you have notice and a chance to fight the protective order. The no fly list is secret and there's no notice. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The worst part of Lautenberg was the expost facto bullshit. Guys who has plead to a nothing misdemeanor years before because it was a nothing slap on the risk got the big government ass raping years or decades later. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:I also learned something, and learning is good. I learned that I fundamentally disagree with that particular decision, but there is precedent. Still troubling, as is "no fly, no buy", whereby your rights are taken away without due process, and you then have to fight to have them restored. Which he also supports. He paid lip service to establishing a process by which you get them back, but he still fundamentally supports deprivation of rights without due process. Funny, I haven't heard you upset about Lautenberg. Due process. Lautenberg is unconstitutional but there is due process. It at least requires a conviction. The worst part of Lautenberg was the expost facto bullshit. Guys who has plead to a nothing misdemeanor years before because it was a nothing slap on the risk got the big government ass raping years or decades later. Yeah, that's the most egregious part of it to be sure. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:11:11 PM EDT
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Protip: this thread about how bad trump sucked was started by one of the orange Jesus worshippers from the primaries. That should start the wheels turning for you. Its been awhile since gym007 has been in this thread. Has anyone done a welfare check on him? 
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:20:43 PM EDT
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. How is Trump viable? His only mention of gun control last night, was a firearm restriction he agreed with. We've been asking Trump supporters to prove how Trump is a viable candidate, and no one has said anything beyond "he isn't Hilary". Considering the fact that he agreed with Hilary on a gun control item last night. How is ht not Hilary? |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, maybe you should research the issue before spouting off. There has always been the requirement to have reasonable cause for the stop. This has been answered ad nauseam by our very own LEO's here. Time after time after time this has been pointed out by our LEO's here and they ARE correct. And the facts as I state them relative to the vacated decision of the lower court by the Appellate Court are correct. The lower court's decision WAS vacated and the judge removed by the Appellate Court due to anti police bias and the case was remanded for further review by an IMPARTIAL JUDGE appointed by the Appeals Court. DeBlowsio then chose to not pursue another trial because he hates Terry Stops. Terry Stops are allowed by the SCOTUS and have been since I was a little kid in the 50's or 60's. Research the issue before spouting off please.............. Terry v. Ohio.......Supreme Court..................... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ............... Lol. That's not how that works. That's not how any of that works. Being stopped at random and searched without probable cause while engaged in legal activities is constitutional? I guess that whole unreasonable search and seizure/warrant thing is just a suggestion then. Because safety and effective policies. No, maybe you should research the issue before spouting off. There has always been the requirement to have reasonable cause for the stop. This has been answered ad nauseam by our very own LEO's here. Time after time after time this has been pointed out by our LEO's here and they ARE correct. And the facts as I state them relative to the vacated decision of the lower court by the Appellate Court are correct. The lower court's decision WAS vacated and the judge removed by the Appellate Court due to anti police bias and the case was remanded for further review by an IMPARTIAL JUDGE appointed by the Appeals Court. DeBlowsio then chose to not pursue another trial because he hates Terry Stops. Terry Stops are allowed by the SCOTUS and have been since I was a little kid in the 50's or 60's. Research the issue before spouting off please.............. Terry v. Ohio.......Supreme Court..................... No, the 2nd Circuit did not vacate the original judge's order, but they did block it for a month or so. They later refused the city's request to vacate and said that they could bring up any issues they had at their pending appeal. The city later dropped the appeal and reached a settlement with the plaintiffs, which included reforms to the depts policies In the original decision, the judge found that while the policy itself wasn't unconstitutional, the way that officers were actually implementing it was |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:33:28 PM EDT
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:48:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2016 3:50:26 PM EDT
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8.  He'll be dropping out any day now
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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:28:42 PM EDT
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How is Trump viable? His only mention of gun control last night, was a firearm restriction he agreed with. We've been asking Trump supporters to prove how Trump is a viable candidate, and no one has said anything beyond "he isn't Hilary". Considering the fact that he agreed with Hilary on a gun control item last night. How is ht not Hilary? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. How is Trump viable? His only mention of gun control last night, was a firearm restriction he agreed with. We've been asking Trump supporters to prove how Trump is a viable candidate, and no one has said anything beyond "he isn't Hilary". Considering the fact that he agreed with Hilary on a gun control item last night. How is ht not Hilary? I think you may have missed the qualifier "only" Unless you guys know of some secret 3rd party candidate who's on the ballot in all 50 states and is reported to be doing well . . . then yes Trump is the "only viable candidate we have." |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:29:20 PM EDT
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Its been awhile since gym007 has been in this thread. Has anyone done a welfare check on him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protip: this thread about how bad trump sucked was started by one of the orange Jesus worshippers from the primaries. That should start the wheels turning for you. Its been awhile since gym007 has been in this thread. Has anyone done a welfare check on him? Maybe he'll go back predicting financial disaster.... |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:30:18 PM EDT
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Maybe he'll go back predicting financial disaster.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Protip: this thread about how bad trump sucked was started by one of the orange Jesus worshippers from the primaries. That should start the wheels turning for you. Its been awhile since gym007 has been in this thread. Has anyone done a welfare check on him? Maybe he'll go back predicting financial disaster.... I was *this* close to placing a bet that Trump would win in November after I saw him dooming and glooming about how it's all over and Trump is going to lose. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:31:59 PM EDT
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8. He'll be dropping out any day nowMan, if only. Could you imagine if Pence was on stage? How great would that be? |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 4:53:21 PM EDT
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8. Well, that just confirms that the post is still full of shit. He didn't do great but, it was nowhere near that much of a mess. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:10:06 PM EDT
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I think you may have missed the qualifier "only" Unless you guys know of some secret 3rd party candidate who's on the ballot in all 50 states and is reported to be doing well . . . then yes Trump is the "only viable candidate we have." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. How is Trump viable? His only mention of gun control last night, was a firearm restriction he agreed with. We've been asking Trump supporters to prove how Trump is a viable candidate, and no one has said anything beyond "he isn't Hilary". Considering the fact that he agreed with Hilary on a gun control item last night. How is ht not Hilary? I think you may have missed the qualifier "only" Unless you guys know of some secret 3rd party candidate who's on the ballot in all 50 states and is reported to be doing well . . . then yes Trump is the "only viable candidate we have." You didn't define how Trump is a viable candidate. The hot button issue around here is gun control, which Trump did not renounce last night, and agreed with Hilary on. If he was "not Hilary", as your group has defined him as, why did he take her position? Why didn't he come out swinging against gun control? |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:25:51 PM EDT
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so why is everyone focusing on "could" for 50,000 people (many of whom are not American citizens) and ignoring the over 1 million people who are not only prohibited from buying weapons, they had the weapons they owned taken away from them with no due process? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No fly no buy could become that as well. We have many mechanisms in place to strip of us 2ndA rights, we don't need any more. so why is everyone focusing on "could" for 50,000 people (many of whom are not American citizens) and ignoring the over 1 million people who are not only prohibited from buying weapons, they had the weapons they owned taken away from them with no due process? The Lautenberg Amendment is a travesty. So let's have more of that with "no fly no buy", right? |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:27:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because I'm voting for him, doesn't mean I'm going to suck his dick. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. Just because I'm voting for him, doesn't mean I'm going to suck his dick. YMMV. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:28:07 PM EDT
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Just because I'm voting for him, doesn't mean I'm going to suck his dick. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. Just because I'm voting for him, doesn't mean I'm going to suck his dick. YMMV. QFT. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:28:18 PM EDT
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The bitch went all gangster on the Don.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:48:48 PM EDT
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You didn't define how Trump is a viable candidate. The hot button issue around here is gun control, which Trump did not renounce last night, and agreed with Hilary on. If he was "not Hilary", as your group has defined him as, why did he take her position? Why didn't he come out swinging against gun control? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The common misconception with the #NeverTrump crowd is thinking that if you support Trump you assume him to be some demigod DPRK style omnipotent dictator. Some of us see this as a simple "HRC or Trump" decision, hence I wouldn't be too quick to rejoice at a poor debate by the only viable candidate we have
Last night showed me that we have more closet #NeverTrump folks on this board than I thought we did. How is Trump viable? His only mention of gun control last night, was a firearm restriction he agreed with. We've been asking Trump supporters to prove how Trump is a viable candidate, and no one has said anything beyond "he isn't Hilary". Considering the fact that he agreed with Hilary on a gun control item last night. How is ht not Hilary? I think you may have missed the qualifier "only" Unless you guys know of some secret 3rd party candidate who's on the ballot in all 50 states and is reported to be doing well . . . then yes Trump is the "only viable candidate we have." You didn't define how Trump is a viable candidate. The hot button issue around here is gun control, which Trump did not renounce last night, and agreed with Hilary on. If he was "not Hilary", as your group has defined him as, why did he take her position? Why didn't he come out swinging against gun control? I'm being very literal when I use the term "only viable candidate we have" in the sense that either the Republican backed candidate will win or the Democratic backed candidate will win. Since I'm also going off the assumption there are very few on here who support Hillary then by default that makes Trump "the only viable candidate we have" I know lots of folks hate this argument because it requires them to define exactly why they're a special snowflake (this isn't directed at you) but really this is an election where you vote for HRC, you vote for Trump, or you don't vote at all. I'll be voting Trump, and I still don't see what other "viable" options you have. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:55:19 PM EDT
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Well, that just confirms that the post is still full of shit. He didn't do great but, it was nowhere near that much of a mess. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8. Well, that just confirms that the post is still full of shit. He didn't do great but, it was nowhere near that much of a mess. It was a massive mess in the eyes of #nevertrumpers. They are spending a lot of time spreading anti Trump stuff because.........muhhh!! Cruz got put in the back of the line  They are fine with Clinton winning,they think they will ride out a Clinton presidency,reassemble with an Evangelical White Knight in the next election.........and everything will be fine LOL. They don't realize everything has changed
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Posted: 9/27/2016 7:58:58 PM EDT
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Trump Train is steaming ahead full speed! |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:00:57 PM EDT
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It was a massive mess in the eyes of #nevertrumpers. They are spending a lot of time spreading anti Trump stuff because.........muhhh!! Cruz got put in the back of the line They are fine with Clinton winning,they think they will ride out a Clinton presidency,reassemble with an Evangelical White Knight in the next election.........and everything will be fine LOL. They don't realize everything has changed
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http://nypost.com/2016/09/27/trumps-debate-incompetence-a-slap-in-the-face-to-his-supporters/ Trump’s debate incompetence a slap in the face to his supporters Hillary Clinton was boring and exceptionally well-prepared. Donald Trump was exciting but embarrassingly undisciplined. He began with his strongest argument — that the political class represented by her has failed us and it’s time to look to a successful dealmaker for leadership — and kept to it pretty well for the first 20 minutes.
Then due to the vanity and laziness that led him to think he could wing the most important 95 minutes of his life, he lost the thread of his argument, he lost control of his temper and he lost the perspective necessary to correct these mistakes as he went. Methodically and carefully, Hillary Clinton took over. Her purpose was to show she was rational and policy-driven, the kind of person who could be trusted to handle a careful and delicate job with prudence and sobriety — and that he was none of these things. And she succeeded. By the end of the 95 minutes, Trump was reduced to a sputtering mess blathering about Rosie O’Donnell and about how he hasn’t yet said the mean things about Hillary that he is thinking. Even when he could have taken her down, he was so incompetent he didn’t go for it. A question about cybersecurity was the perfect opportunity to hammer Clinton on her outrageous mishandling of classified information. Instead, he went into a bizarre digression in which he alternately wondered whether his son Barron might grow up to become a hacker and defended Vladimir Putin from the accusation Russia had tapped into the Democratic National Committee’s emails (which the FBI says almost certainly happened). That has to count as the biggest choke of his political life. By the time the last 15 minutes rolled around, he was reduced to yammering about Rosie O’Donnell being mean to him and Hillary running mean commercials about him and praising himself because there are some really terrible things he could have said about Hillary but hasn’t. By this point, even his smart closing zinger — “she has experience but it’s bad experience” — was buried inside a weird word salad that reduced its effectiveness to almost nil. His supporters should be furious with him, and so should the public in general. By performing this incompetently, by refusing to prepare properly for this exchange, by not learning enough to put meat on the bones of his populist case against Clinton, he displayed nothing but contempt for the people who have brought him this far — and for the American people who are going to make this momentous decision on Nov. 8. Well, that just confirms that the post is still full of shit. He didn't do great but, it was nowhere near that much of a mess. It was a massive mess in the eyes of #nevertrumpers. They are spending a lot of time spreading anti Trump stuff because.........muhhh!! Cruz got put in the back of the line They are fine with Clinton winning,they think they will ride out a Clinton presidency,reassemble with an Evangelical White Knight in the next election.........and everything will be fine LOL. They don't realize everything has changed
We are anti-Trump because he is not a friend of the 2A. Trump supporters desperately try to logically support Trump under the reason that Trump isn't Hilary, but just because Trump isn't Hilary, doesn't make him useful or valuable. Someone not being Hilary doesn't certify them as valuable, it just means they aren't Hilary. Trump supports can't wrap their heads around this distinction. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:02:52 PM EDT
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Hillary came off as extremely smug and arrogant. Even with all the her witty remarks, she was smug and arrogant like she is owed to be president. I am not a huge Trump fan but since I have no choice he gets my vote. This. She has taken lessons from BHO in maintaining that "sniffing" posture. Also her eyes darted around like she was on meth. The last 20 minutes she actually fixed her gaze at the camera briefly. And yet Obama won twice quite handily. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:07:33 PM EDT
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We are anti-Trump because he is not a friend of the 2A. Trump supporters desperately try to logically support Trump under the reason that Trump isn't Hilary, but just because Trump isn't Hilary, doesn't make him useful or valuable. Someone not being Hilary doesn't certify them as valuable, it just means they aren't Hilary. Trump supports can't wrap their heads around this distinction. Nope. Because that's not true, and you know quite well that it isn't. There is some other thing poisoning your mind, telling you that the patriotism that Trump clearly shows is just an act, and that his obvious love for America is a big lie. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:10:03 PM EDT
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He actually didn't blow it. He did not hit her hard like he could have. They both sucked last night, but no clear winner or loser. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:10:11 PM EDT
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Hillary came off as extremely smug and arrogant. Even with all the her witty remarks, she was smug and arrogant like she is owed to be president. I am not a huge Trump fan but since I have no choice he gets my vote. This. She has taken lessons from BHO in maintaining that "sniffing" posture. Also her eyes darted around like she was on meth. The last 20 minutes she actually fixed her gaze at the camera briefly. And yet Obama won twice quite handily. But, got his ass handed to him by Romney in their first debate- so there's hope. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:11:33 PM EDT
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Still voting for him. Other choices suck balls or have no chance of winning.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:15:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2016 8:19:28 PM EDT
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Hillary came off as extremely smug and arrogant. Even with all the her witty remarks, she was smug and arrogant like she is owed to be president. I am not a huge Trump fan but since I have no choice he gets my vote. This. She has taken lessons from BHO in maintaining that "sniffing" posture. Also her eyes darted around like she was on meth. The last 20 minutes she actually fixed her gaze at the camera briefly. And yet Obama won twice quite handily. But, got his ass handed to him by Romney in their first debate- so there's hope. Obama was also the sitting president, that's an advantage Trump does not have. But yes, there is hope if Trump learned from this that he can't half-ass it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:33:39 PM EDT
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LOL at the NeverTrumps who have been 100% wrong on Trump the entire time trying to talk like they now understand Trump.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:39:51 PM EDT
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Full speed ahead.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:44:50 PM EDT
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LOL at the NeverTrumps who have been 100% wrong on Trump the entire time trying to talk like they now understand Trump. Never underestimate their political acumen. 
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:50:32 PM EDT
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I still can't believe millions of conservatives nominated Trump, it's been clear from the start that he's not qualified to be President.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:51:10 PM EDT
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I still can't believe millions of conservatives people nominated Trump, it's been clear from the start that he's not qualified to be President. Yeah, I'm going to vote for him but damn, he's terrible. ftfy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:54:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ftfy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I still can't believe millions of conservatives people nominated Trump, it's been clear from the start that he's not qualified to be President. Yeah, I'm going to vote for him but damn, he's terrible. ftfy. That is a proper fix as there aren't millions of "true conservatives" left in the country. If there was Cruz wouldn't have had 23 million people vote against him. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:54:49 PM EDT
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Never underestimate their political acumen.
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LOL at the NeverTrumps who have been 100% wrong on Trump the entire time trying to talk like they now understand Trump. Never underestimate their political acumen.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never underestimate their political acumen. http://fakeposters.com.s3.amazonaws.com/results/2016/09/28/d434iozeou.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL at the NeverTrumps who have been 100% wrong on Trump the entire time trying to talk like they now understand Trump. Never underestimate their political acumen. http://fakeposters.com.s3.amazonaws.com/results/2016/09/28/d434iozeou.jpg You are probably right. I guess we should be expecting Trump to drop out any day now. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 9:59:59 PM EDT
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Ignore anything that Trump said last night as he was high on cocaine or so says one time failed presidential candidate Howard Dean.
MSNBC strikes again by allowing a total POS on air to smear someone right of center. I hope that Trump can find a way to sue Dean for this. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:03:29 PM EDT
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Ignore anything that Trump said last night as he was high on cocaine or so says one time failed presidential candidate Howard Dean. MSNBC strikes again by allowing a total POS on air to smear someone right of center. I hope that Trump can find a way to sue Dean for this. I've seen people high on cocaine and that is not what they look like. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:04:02 PM EDT
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Ignore anything that Trump said last night as he was high on cocaine or so says one time failed presidential candidate Howard Dean. MSNBC strikes again by allowing a total POS on air to smear someone right of center. I hope that Trump can find a way to sue Dean for this. There is a huge double standard at play, it's complete BS, but we knew it was coming. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:06:37 PM EDT
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Ignore anything that Trump said last night as he was high on cocaine or so says one time failed presidential candidate Howard Dean. MSNBC strikes again by allowing a total POS on air to smear someone right of center. I hope that Trump can find a way to sue Dean for this. Fuck'em; they're in their death throes, same as their candidate.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:10:13 PM EDT
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That was Trump being Trump, so I don't think anyone should be shocked by it. The only complaint I had, was that he missed quite a few opportunities to bash her. I doubt this debate caused anyone to switch sides so no loss there. He just needs to focus on keeping his voters enthusiasm up. |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:13:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryThe butt hurt in that article is bigly |
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:17:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:19:51 PM EDT
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Looks like OP is peppering his angus.
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Posted: 9/27/2016 10:27:18 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:07:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2016 11:10:08 PM EDT
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I still can't believe millions of conservatives people nominated Trump, it's been clear from the start that he's not qualified to be President. Yeah, I'm going to vote for him but damn, he's terrible. ftfy. Keep dreaming. It is amazing how out of touch and insulated you guys have become. 
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