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Posted: 9/26/2016 1:55:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2016 1:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is this "you" you are talking about? I'm not a "faggot" (your word, not mine). If you want to resort to calling people names, then grab a pair and do it. What I am is pro freedom, whether I agree with what you do or not. I don't care what someone does behind their closed doors as it isn't any of my business. I don't know why you seem to think it's any of yours. And yeah, you most definitely are older than me. Your closed-mindedness is very easily seen and what's makes gun owners look like crazy people. Thanks for being part of the problem and not part of the solution. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Take some Midol, princess. Your cunt is stinking up this thread. Quoted: Uh huh. Tired. Some of us have contempt for you because you are faggots, not because we are. If you're gonna be gay, be Rock Hudson manly gay, because at least I can relate to you. Don't be Doris Day. Which you are now by getting your panties in a bunch. Fags and Jesuits should breed children. Generally they're of superior intellectual if not physical stock. Often, they're one in the same. YMMV. You both seem to have some serious issues. No, what I have are serious opinions. We can disagree on the merits, as far as I am concerned, without being cultural enemies. As long as we line up on other political matters, I am content to be a co belligerent. I'm likely a lot older than you, and I've been around gays my entire adult life. You all are mentally ill, IMO. Mostly benign. But definitely mentally ill nonetheless. And preoccupied with physical gratification. Hence, predisposed to selfishness. But again, if you're sane on the issues of primary importance, I'll not pick nits on how you take your pleasure. But, don't expect some of us to congratulate you on it. Who is this "you" you are talking about? I'm not a "faggot" (your word, not mine). If you want to resort to calling people names, then grab a pair and do it. What I am is pro freedom, whether I agree with what you do or not. I don't care what someone does behind their closed doors as it isn't any of my business. I don't know why you seem to think it's any of yours. And yeah, you most definitely are older than me. Your closed-mindedness is very easily seen and what's makes gun owners look like crazy people. Thanks for being part of the problem and not part of the solution. We're decades past what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, are you posting from 1986? At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. I am a utilitarian in these matters. If you line up on areas of primary importance, I will suffer you as a transactional ally. As for looking crazy; embracing mental illness as "normal" is not sane. It may be the prevailing sentiment, but it is not sane. I say sentiment deliberately, because your expressed view is laden with feels and is impervious to objective fact. There will be an pendulum swing. An awakening. And it will swing to those who view things, non crazily and without blinding sentiment. I am content to be judged at that time on the merits. Just as I am content to suffer your nonsense right now, as it transactionally benefits me to do so. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 1:57:02 AM EDT
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Loving someone doesn't always mean agreeing with them. Someone else already posted that loving your son doesn't mean he gets to do whatever he wants, and there is truth to that as well. It is still your house, and respect for your rules as you see them fit. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:00:24 AM EDT
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So... Some of us would prefer biological grandchildren. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So? It's not like you have to blow him. So... Some of us would prefer biological grandchildren. You can still have biological grandchildren. I know two men who have been together since high school, over twenty years. They've each used their own sperm with a surrogate and have three lovely children (twins from one). I know another couple, two women, who used a sperm donor and one woman donated the egg for the other to carry. That way, both women felt completely involved. Having a gay child doesn't mean you're going to miss out on anything in life. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:00:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do Christian Slater and Winona Ryder = Black Comedy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: This thread reminds me of a scene from "Heathers" You have seen "Heathers"? Are you the OP's son? Wat? http://imageshack.us/a/img922/9263/YwX9pK.jpg How do Christian Slater and Winona Ryder = Black Comedy? |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:03:53 AM EDT
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We're decades past what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, are you posting from 1986? At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. I am a utilitarian in these matters. If you line up on areas of primary importance, I will suffer you as a transactional ally. As for looking crazy; embracing mental illness as "normal" is not sane. It may be the prevailing sentiment, but it is not sane. I say sentiment deliberately, because your expressed view is laden with feels and is impervious to objective fact. There will be an pendulum swing. An awakening. And it will swing to those who view things, non crazily and without blinding sentiment. I am content to be judged at that time on the merits. Just as I am content to suffer your nonsense right now, as it transactionally benefits me to do so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh huh. Tired. Some of us have contempt for you because you are faggots, not because we are. If you're gonna be gay, be Rock Hudson manly gay, because at least I can relate to you. Don't be Doris Day. Which you are now by getting your panties in a bunch. Fags and Jesuits should breed children. Generally they're of superior intellectual if not physical stock. Often, they're one in the same. YMMV. You both seem to have some serious issues. No, what I have are serious opinions. We can disagree on the merits, as far as I am concerned, without being cultural enemies. As long as we line up on other political matters, I am content to be a co belligerent. I'm likely a lot older than you, and I've been around gays my entire adult life. You all are mentally ill, IMO. Mostly benign. But definitely mentally ill nonetheless. And preoccupied with physical gratification. Hence, predisposed to selfishness. But again, if you're sane on the issues of primary importance, I'll not pick nits on how you take your pleasure. But, don't expect some of us to congratulate you on it. Who is this "you" you are talking about? I'm not a "faggot" (your word, not mine). If you want to resort to calling people names, then grab a pair and do it. What I am is pro freedom, whether I agree with what you do or not. I don't care what someone does behind their closed doors as it isn't any of my business. I don't know why you seem to think it's any of yours. And yeah, you most definitely are older than me. Your closed-mindedness is very easily seen and what's makes gun owners look like crazy people. Thanks for being part of the problem and not part of the solution. We're decades past what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, are you posting from 1986? At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. I am a utilitarian in these matters. If you line up on areas of primary importance, I will suffer you as a transactional ally. As for looking crazy; embracing mental illness as "normal" is not sane. It may be the prevailing sentiment, but it is not sane. I say sentiment deliberately, because your expressed view is laden with feels and is impervious to objective fact. There will be an pendulum swing. An awakening. And it will swing to those who view things, non crazily and without blinding sentiment. I am content to be judged at that time on the merits. Just as I am content to suffer your nonsense right now, as it transactionally benefits me to do so. Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:09:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're decades past what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, are you posting from 1986? At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. I am a utilitarian in these matters. If you line up on areas of primary importance, I will suffer you as a transactional ally. As for looking crazy; embracing mental illness as "normal" is not sane. It may be the prevailing sentiment, but it is not sane. I say sentiment deliberately, because your expressed view is laden with feels and is impervious to objective fact. There will be an pendulum swing. An awakening. And it will swing to those who view things, non crazily and without blinding sentiment. I am content to be judged at that time on the merits. Just as I am content to suffer your nonsense right now, as it transactionally benefits me to do so. Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:13:39 AM EDT
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Was that between now and January 2016? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't the last time this happened on here the dad shot the boyfriend? Was that between now and January 2016? Yes. http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1837023 Hope that works, too late to care and phones suck. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:17:30 AM EDT
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alot of butthurt up in here
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:19:33 AM EDT
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alot of butthurt up in here kek |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:20:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We're decades past what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own bedroom. Or, are you posting from 1986? At the end of the day, I don't care what you think. I am a utilitarian in these matters. If you line up on areas of primary importance, I will suffer you as a transactional ally. As for looking crazy; embracing mental illness as "normal" is not sane. It may be the prevailing sentiment, but it is not sane. I say sentiment deliberately, because your expressed view is laden with feels and is impervious to objective fact. There will be an pendulum swing. An awakening. And it will swing to those who view things, non crazily and without blinding sentiment. I am content to be judged at that time on the merits. Just as I am content to suffer your nonsense right now, as it transactionally benefits me to do so. Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:21:34 AM EDT
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OP, keep being a loving and supportive dad and you'll be the best dad in the world in his eyes. This x 100 Some of you clearly do not have children. You should not respond to a thread like this. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:21:43 AM EDT
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Sorry to hear about the shock OP. I don't know how to advise you here but I'll say this: It could be worse.
My son called me and announced that he was in jail. For selling and using drugs. Now he's trying to clean that up. I had this discussion with my wife, would you rather find out your kid was gay, or on drugs? I'll take gay. Gay isn't jail, or fines, or probably eventual death. So hang in there dad, it's probably a shock but not the worst thing that could happen. I mean look at ol' milo yianopuoslurlskakswhatever, we're all friends with the gays now! |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:22:13 AM EDT
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So he likes to suck cock, swallow man sauce, and take it up the ass. So what? Does this place even freedom bro?
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:23:35 AM EDT
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It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. It was classified as such because the only out gay people being studied were people in prison/institutions. Other gay people pretty much had to fear getting their skulls cracked open/ostracized from their families&friends and remained closeted. Activism certainly played a role, as well as the work of Evelyn Hooker and others. http://www.apa.org/research/action/gay.aspx Psychology is rife with quackery (from phrenology, satanic panic recovered memories, etc., etc.). Even some of Evelyn Hooker's work was based on Rorschach tests (which is pretty much bunk; but was the top thinking of the time). Her work was replicated using more advanced, sound methods several times as well. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:25:49 AM EDT
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I honestly am having a hard time with understanding the Bi thing. I understand being born gay, because like others have pointed out, a straight man isn't going to one day decide "hmmm, I guess I could put another guys dick in my mouth". If gays marry, it's a gay marriage, duh. But a Bi person seems very unlikely to ever settle down and get married to a woman, since "normie" women will look elsewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you love your son? Oh yea, yea, I told him I'm glad he "came out". Just a lot to think about is all. Not a total surprise either, but it just got real. At least he's not going to be closeted and cheating on his wife and kids in some abandoned bowling alley parking lot type situation. It's tougher when it's a son and not a daughter coming out, because when it's your daughter you can just say it's a phase and blame Demi Lovato and Katy Perry. A gay son is considered worse mostly because one man handling another man's penis for sexual gratification is generally considered degrading, while two girls is an entire genre of straight porn. A pretty Maori invited me to a lesbian dance party last weekend in Auckland called 'Lick', and it was probably 75%+ femme lesbians/bicurious, and most of them were rather attractive. I'm still decidedly bisexual, but I definitely have to say lesbians can be more fun than straight girls. 
http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/eesmith79/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxzgjds3u.jpeg I honestly am having a hard time with understanding the Bi thing. I understand being born gay, because like others have pointed out, a straight man isn't going to one day decide "hmmm, I guess I could put another guys dick in my mouth". If gays marry, it's a gay marriage, duh. But a Bi person seems very unlikely to ever settle down and get married to a woman, since "normie" women will look elsewhere. I think you'd be very surprised how many couples tinder me where they both describe as 'bi', in fact I spent a very lovely weekend a few weeks ago with just such a kiwi couple at their weekend home. He's a handsome italian and quite manly, and she's a very lovely and attractive Aussie. He considers himself bi, and she's more straight-leaning in that she likes men and more feminine transwomen, but not straight up women or butchy trannys; It was kind of an interesting dynamic. I think the thing with them is he's very alpha and a prominent, successful businessman, if he was just a regular schlub she might not have been open to it. But regardless, there's a lot more of that out there than most realize. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:31:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think you'd be very surprised how many couples tinder me where they both describe as 'bi' Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh yea, yea, I told him I'm glad he "came out". Just a lot to think about is all. Not a total surprise either, but it just got real. At least he's not going to be closeted and cheating on his wife and kids in some abandoned bowling alley parking lot type situation. It's tougher when it's a son and not a daughter coming out, because when it's your daughter you can just say it's a phase and blame Demi Lovato and Katy Perry. A gay son is considered worse mostly because one man handling another man's penis for sexual gratification is generally considered degrading, while two girls is an entire genre of straight porn. A pretty Maori invited me to a lesbian dance party last weekend in Auckland called 'Lick', and it was probably 75%+ femme lesbians/bicurious, and most of them were rather attractive. I'm still decidedly bisexual, but I definitely have to say lesbians can be more fun than straight girls. http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u494/eesmith79/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsxzgjds3u.jpeg I honestly am having a hard time with understanding the Bi thing. I understand being born gay, because like others have pointed out, a straight man isn't going to one day decide "hmmm, I guess I could put another guys dick in my mouth". If gays marry, it's a gay marriage, duh. But a Bi person seems very unlikely to ever settle down and get married to a woman, since "normie" women will look elsewhere. I think you'd be very surprised how many couples tinder me where they both describe as 'bi' Less surprised than you think, Black Beard. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:34:10 AM EDT
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So he likes to suck cock, swallow man sauce, and take it up the ass. So what? Does this place even freedom bro? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It is entirely possible that he tops rather than bottoms. If so, it puts him in a lower-risk group of gay males. Regardless, he should be sure to practice safe sex at all times as the frequency of STD's in the gay community has been increasing lately. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:39:32 AM EDT
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OP,
I didn't read all four pages, but all I can say is that at least he was honest. I pass no judgement (and I'm straight). 
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:42:01 AM EDT
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It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. I feel very confused by your stance. You want gay people to marry the opposite sex and have children yet secretly be gay . . . but you view homosexuality as a mental illness. Why would you want to further advance those genes if you find them to be faulty? By your logic, wouldn't non-reproduction in gays eventually eliminate homosexuality since there is no spreading of homosexual genes/mental illness? And why on earth would you advocate secretly being unfaithful to your wife just to keep up appearances of a 'family' when that would cause nothing but heartbreak to the wife and children? As I said above, your argument about wanting biological grandchildren is torn to shreds by the existence of surrogates, sperm donation, IVF, egg harvesting, and other advancements into reproduction. Being gay does NOT prevent you from having biological children at all. Please explain your views more in-depth. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:45:07 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:48:34 AM EDT
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Be glad he's not knocking up some whore and you end up taking care of the kid. I often tell my 15 year old stepson that while man-ass is hairy, he won't get hit for child support. Then he says "that works for girl-ass too, right?" and we nod in agreement  |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:49:47 AM EDT
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You have seen "Heathers"? Are you the OP's son? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This thread reminds me of a scene from "Heathers" You have seen "Heathers"? Are you the OP's son? Nope. Movies about sociopaths going on killing sprees aren't exactly the realm of "gay", but whatever floats your boat. As a teenager in the 80's I tended to watch movies about teenagers in the 80's. Y'know, like Breakfast Club, Sixteen Candles, Back to the Future, Young Guns, and Heathers. Those movies tended to have girls in them, because movies full of boys and no girls is kinda....gay. Are you the OP's future son-in-law?
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:51:43 AM EDT
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I feel very confused by your stance. You want gay people to marry the opposite sex and have children yet secretly be gay . . . but you view homosexuality as a mental illness. Why would you want to further advance those genes if you find them to be faulty? By your logic, wouldn't non-reproduction in gays eventually eliminate homosexuality since there is no spreading of homosexual genes/mental illness? And why on earth would you advocate secretly being unfaithful to your wife just to keep up appearances of a 'family' when that would cause nothing but heartbreak to the wife and children? As I said above, your argument about wanting biological grandchildren is torn to shreds by the existence of surrogates, sperm donation, IVF, egg harvesting, and other advancements into reproduction. Being gay does NOT prevent you from having biological children at all. Please explain your views more in-depth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. I feel very confused by your stance. You want gay people to marry the opposite sex and have children yet secretly be gay . . . but you view homosexuality as a mental illness. Why would you want to further advance those genes if you find them to be faulty? By your logic, wouldn't non-reproduction in gays eventually eliminate homosexuality since there is no spreading of homosexual genes/mental illness? And why on earth would you advocate secretly being unfaithful to your wife just to keep up appearances of a 'family' when that would cause nothing but heartbreak to the wife and children? As I said above, your argument about wanting biological grandchildren is torn to shreds by the existence of surrogates, sperm donation, IVF, egg harvesting, and other advancements into reproduction. Being gay does NOT prevent you from having biological children at all. Please explain your views more in-depth. 
How can he do that when your logic just lopped his head clean off? He's painted himself into a corner. The only argument he can make now is that homosexuality is nurture, not nature. In my experience, most people that respond to this issue like PP does suffer from internalized homophobia and are one hot, sexy boy-on-boy kiss away from full on Liberace. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:57:25 AM EDT
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Is he a conservative gay or a liberal gay? I've told my kids they can be gay all they want, but they better be conservative gays. Thankfully they're not gay. I like the way you think. 
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:58:29 AM EDT
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A gay son is considered worse mostly because one man handling another man's penis for sexual gratification is generally considered degrading, while two girls is an entire genre of straight porn. A pretty Maori invited me to a lesbian dance party last weekend in Auckland called 'Lick', and it was probably 75%+ femme lesbians/bicurious, and most of them were rather attractive. I'm still decidedly bisexual, but I definitely have to say lesbians can be more fun than straight girls.
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Do you love your son? Oh yea, yea, I told him I'm glad he "came out". Just a lot to think about is all. Not a total surprise either, but it just got real. At least he's not going to be closeted and cheating on his wife and kids in some abandoned bowling alley parking lot type situation. It's tougher when it's a son and not a daughter coming out, because when it's your daughter you can just say it's a phase and blame Demi Lovato and Katy Perry. A gay son is considered worse mostly because one man handling another man's penis for sexual gratification is generally considered degrading, while two girls is an entire genre of straight porn. A pretty Maori invited me to a lesbian dance party last weekend in Auckland called 'Lick', and it was probably 75%+ femme lesbians/bicurious, and most of them were rather attractive. I'm still decidedly bisexual, but I definitely have to say lesbians can be more fun than straight girls.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 2:59:31 AM EDT
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You both seem to have some serious issues. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh huh. Tired. Some of us have contempt for you because you are faggots, not because we are. If you're gonna be gay, be Rock Hudson manly gay, because at least I can relate to you. Don't be Doris Day. Which you are now by getting your panties in a bunch. Fags and Jesuits should breed children. Generally they're of superior intellectual if not physical stock. Often, they're one in the same. YMMV. You both seem to have some serious issues. That "abandoned bowling alley parking lot" probably got fenced off.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:01:05 AM EDT
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AIDS is still a thing. Make sure he understands basic safe sex practices and encourage him to adhere to them.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:03:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So... Some of us would prefer biological grandchildren. Gays should marry, make babies, and take their pleasure on the side. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So? It's not like you have to blow him. So... Some of us would prefer biological grandchildren. Gays should marry, make babies, and take their pleasure on the side. Now that's the kind of down home wholsome values I come to GD for! Thanks for not disappointing! I mean, what's a truck stop if not a place for a 2-bit local big shot to plow a young man on the DL? As for OP- Be a good dad, love your son. I hope he lives a happy life and I wish him the best. Be happy he's not carrying the burden of the secret any longer |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:03:28 AM EDT
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That is how gays in our parents and grandparents generation did it. Its hell on the wife and kids when dad finally needs to be himself. Fuck her and the kids feelings as long as you get grandkids. Fuck him wanting to be happy his WHOLE life not just the last 1/3 of it. Its all about what you want even if a woman wastes her life with a man that doesnt want her and the kids grow up believing a lie. As long as grand dad is happy right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So? It's not like you have to blow him. So... Some of us would prefer biological grandchildren. Gays should marry, make babies, and take their pleasure on the side. That is how gays in our parents and grandparents generation did it. Its hell on the wife and kids when dad finally needs to be himself. Fuck her and the kids feelings as long as you get grandkids. Fuck him wanting to be happy his WHOLE life not just the last 1/3 of it. Its all about what you want even if a woman wastes her life with a man that doesnt want her and the kids grow up believing a lie. As long as grand dad is happy right? THIS. And same goes when a lesbian marries a man. The hell with his feelings, right? He wanted a woman who would love being with him, but he got someone who tolerates him (and that includes intimacy). But ain't life grand? She did her "duty"! |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:11:50 AM EDT
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I don't understand why presumably adult men will come on this site and bad mouth their children.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:20:01 AM EDT
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How can he do that when your logic just lopped his head clean off? He's painted himself into a corner. The only argument he can make now is that homosexuality is nurture, not nature. In my experience, most people that respond to this issue like PP does suffer from internalized homophobia and are one hot, sexy boy-on-boy kiss away from full on Liberace. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. I feel very confused by your stance. You want gay people to marry the opposite sex and have children yet secretly be gay . . . but you view homosexuality as a mental illness. Why would you want to further advance those genes if you find them to be faulty? By your logic, wouldn't non-reproduction in gays eventually eliminate homosexuality since there is no spreading of homosexual genes/mental illness? And why on earth would you advocate secretly being unfaithful to your wife just to keep up appearances of a 'family' when that would cause nothing but heartbreak to the wife and children? As I said above, your argument about wanting biological grandchildren is torn to shreds by the existence of surrogates, sperm donation, IVF, egg harvesting, and other advancements into reproduction. Being gay does NOT prevent you from having biological children at all. Please explain your views more in-depth.
How can he do that when your logic just lopped his head clean off? He's painted himself into a corner. The only argument he can make now is that homosexuality is nurture, not nature. In my experience, most people that respond to this issue like PP does suffer from internalized homophobia and are one hot, sexy boy-on-boy kiss away from full on Liberace. Something can be biological without being necessarily genetic. My personal opinion is something probably epigenetic, and that we'll probably eventually find being gay or trans are essentially cases of the brain not being fully or properly masculinized/feminized during development(in different ways, obviously) due to hormonal issues. And it may also be something like sickle cell, where it's a maladaptive expression of something that increases fitness in moderation. From personal observation I think attraction is probably inborn biology in some sense, and repulsion is mostly social conditioning. I also think most bi people lean one direction or another, and true 50/50 people are quite rare. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:20:40 AM EDT
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Somebody buy me a stiff drink... Mazel Tov!! 
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:20:41 AM EDT
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This thread reminds me of a scene from "Heathers" You have seen "Heathers"? Are you the OP's son? Wat? http://imageshack.us/a/img922/9263/YwX9pK.jpg How do Christian Slater and Winona Ryder = Black Comedy? They kill one girl by making her drink drain cleaner, shoot two jocks to make it look like a murder/suicide, bully a girl into attempting suicide, another girl overdoses because of the stress of what's going on, and as a grand finale Christian Slater plots to murder every kid at school with a bomb, but not before making them all sign a petition that he'll manipulate into a mass-suicide note. All because his Dad keeps moving him around. Winona ends up shooting him to stop the bombing, so he commits suicide by blowing himself up in front of the school. Make sense yet? |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 3:21:58 AM EDT
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I don't understand why presumably adult men will come on this site and bad mouth their children. I think that he needs some help coming to terms with something that he already knew. The Internet provides anonymity and he can safely examining his feelings in this space. Here he has the entire gamut of opinions from pray the gay away to dates for his son. Hopefully, this will help OP work through his feelings. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:04:48 AM EDT
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Somebody buy me a stiff drink... Stiff is the last thing you need right now... No shit. Drop the "R" of of drink and we see a trend.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:16:13 AM EDT
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I've never met a homosexual that I would describe as "content" or "happy". I've never known a homosexual that was able to maintain a long term relationship. This is what I would worry about, were one of my kids to turn out gay.
My wife has several gay family members, of both sexes, and I've had a few gay friends and co-workers. I'm not an expert, based on this, but it does seem to be the norm. Anything outside of the normal range of heterosexual desire, is a mental illness. It's an abnormal compulsion, that can be harmful physically, mentally and socially. I don't know, or care, what causes it. I know that it's not a conscious choice and I hate that people are dealt that hand in life. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:30:37 AM EDT
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In before the "I have no son" or "you gotta pray/beat the gay out of him" comments
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:34:33 AM EDT
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His grandpa, my dad, is an old veteran who worked a blue collar union job his whole life. You can guess that he is pretty...traditional. When my son was like five he found a construction marker stake with a pink ribbon on it in the woods (you know, like pictures), and he was swinging it around like a sword and carrying it all day like a walking stick. My dad actually took it inside and cut the pink ribbon off LOL. I said what are you doing, and he was like, I'm not having my grandson carrying a pink ribbon. The funniest part was how bent outa shape that made him. So yea, I'm just not gonna mention this to him. 
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bDSg_dyIDVY/Um3FAwVQ9_I/AAAAAAAAAnw/CJG8OIxncj4/s1600/Fill+stake.jpg Sorry OP, two boys here and I'm sure that must be pretty tough. Can you think of anything in particular that caused this, as in marriage/family problems you may have had or something else? Doesnt change anything and youll love your son no matter what but I thought Id ask, maybe learn something. FerFAL |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:35:52 AM EDT
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Everyone's gay once in awhile, it's 2016
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:40:51 AM EDT
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Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Speaking purely objectively, what qualifies you to characterize homosexuality as sane or insane? Could it be that you're the one projecting his feels on the matter? Hes actually right. Until the 70s there was no question it was a mental disorder, and theres no dobut it still is. Usually, its something related to parental roles, lack there of, too strong/dominant personality from one parent over the other, sometimes (actually very often unfortunately) its linked to traumatic events like sexual abuse. The thing is that theres so many gay people today, with so much voting power they lobbied successfuly to change that, just like fat people are now changing the idea of mordbily obese people being healthy, happy people that just happen to be "big". Most PC people dont even use fat or Morbidly Obese any more, they just say "big". Quoted:
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:57:15 AM EDT
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Life is too short. Every day is a gift.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:57:32 AM EDT
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Ouch, did you see that cuming?
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:59:01 AM EDT
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I would rather my children be with someone who loves them. In a good relationship. Than to be in a "normal" one with an abuser. I have told my kids that I could never be disappointed in them. But I can be unhappy with the consequences of their actions.
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Posted: 9/26/2016 4:59:07 AM EDT
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It was classified as such because the only out gay people being studied were people in prison/institutions. Other gay people pretty much had to fear getting their skulls cracked open/ostracized from their families&friends and remained closeted. Activism certainly played a role, as well as the work of Evelyn Hooker and others. http://www.apa.org/research/action/gay.aspx Psychology is rife with quackery (from phrenology, satanic panic recovered memories, etc., etc.). Even some of Evelyn Hooker's work was based on Rorschach tests (which is pretty much bunk; but was the top thinking of the time). Her work was replicated using more advanced, sound methods several times as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It was classified as a mental illness in the DSM and other medical treatises, in some quarters, until the 1990's. It was forced out of being considered a pathology, not based on medical reasons, but on political ones. "Activism" This is well documented. If you don't believe me, google it. Pure politics. It was classified as such because the only out gay people being studied were people in prison/institutions. Other gay people pretty much had to fear getting their skulls cracked open/ostracized from their families&friends and remained closeted. Activism certainly played a role, as well as the work of Evelyn Hooker and others. http://www.apa.org/research/action/gay.aspx Psychology is rife with quackery (from phrenology, satanic panic recovered memories, etc., etc.). Even some of Evelyn Hooker's work was based on Rorschach tests (which is pretty much bunk; but was the top thinking of the time). Her work was replicated using more advanced, sound methods several times as well. The DSM II is defunct but the bible is not. |
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Posted: 9/26/2016 5:14:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/26/2016 5:15:19 AM EDT
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Do you have to pay for the wedding? Good Question. My rule is unless Son walks down the isle wearing a white wedding gown, ... No... BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 9/26/2016 5:19:29 AM EDT
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His grandpa, my dad, is an old veteran who worked a blue collar union job his whole life. You can guess that he is pretty...traditional. When my son was like five he found a construction marker stake with a pink ribbon on it in the woods (you know, like pictures), and he was swinging it around like a sword and carrying it all day like a walking stick. My dad actually took it inside and cut the pink ribbon off LOL. I said what are you doing, and he was like, I'm not having my grandson carrying a pink ribbon. The funniest part was how bent outa shape that made him. So yea, I'm just not gonna mention this to him.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bDSg_dyIDVY/Um3FAwVQ9_I/AAAAAAAAAnw/CJG8OIxncj4/s1600/Fill+stake.jpg He'd probably blame the pink ribbon
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Posted: 9/26/2016 5:23:44 AM EDT
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Sorry for your loss..
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Posted: 9/26/2016 5:25:26 AM EDT
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OP, I didn't read all four pages, but all I can say is that at least he was honest. I pass no judgement (and I'm straight).
This. If he had the Courage to tell you something this difficult Son to Father. I'd say to return that Courage and be the Father to Your Son and let him know you will always love him as your Son and you will be there for him. You may (or may not) approve, and it will take some time to get used to the new situation, but that You will work to ensure your relationship continues... Ask him to be understanding of you, as you will be understanding of him. We never know how long any of us have on this world, and you can never take "tomorrow" or your loved ones for granted, because neither are guaranteed. My .02 Cents... BIGGER_HAMMER
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