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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:09:21 PM EDT
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:15:59 PM EDT
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im from the government and Im here to help.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:17:56 PM EDT
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What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful?
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:19:45 PM EDT
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vaping is gay but the FDA is more gay
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:21:38 PM EDT
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Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:25:42 PM EDT
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Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. Um... Yeah. Kinda. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:29:07 PM EDT
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What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? A new experimental study—the first of its kind, according to the authors—confirms that smokers can dramatically reduce their exposure to toxins and carcinogens by switching to e-cigarettes. "They are safer," the lead author, Maciej Goniewicz, a toxicologist at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, told Buffalo Business First. "It's the first time we have very strong evidence that we will be able now to give [smokers] that the answer is, yes, this you should consider a transition, a substitute for your tobacco cigarette that will save your life."
The study, reported last week in the journal Nicotine & Tobacco Research, involved 20 Polish smokers who were encouraged to replace their cigarettes with the M201, a pen-style vaping system popular in Poland. Each week during the two-week experiment, the researchers supplied the subjects with 20 tobacco-flavored cartridges, each containing 11 milligrams of nicotine in a solution of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Goniewicz and his colleagues used questionnaires and urine tests to assess the subjects at the beginning of the study, after a week, and after two weeks. Nine of the subjects stopped smoking completely, while the rest cut back, from an average of 16 cigarettes a day at the beginning of the study to an average of just one a day at the end. Based on tests for seven nicotine metabolites, the researchers found that nicotine intake stayed the same, while exposure to tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens fell. Goniewicz et al. measured biomarkers for 13 toxins and carcinogens; all but a few declined substantially after the smokers started using e-cigarettes. For example, exposure to NNK, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine "directly associated with lung cancer risk," had fallen by 64 percent after the second week. Exposure to the volatile organic compounds acrolein, ethylene oxide, benzene, and 1,3-butadiene fell by 56 percent, 61 percent, 76 percent, and 84 percent, respectively. "The observed decline in various urine toxicant biomarker levels in our study was similar to decline among smokers who have quit smoking completely and did not substitute with any other product," Goniewicz et al. write. "This observation suggests that e-cigarettes are not a significant source of exposure to those toxicants." Based on chemical analyses of e-cigarette vapor, other researchers have estimated that switching from smoking to vaping reduces health risks by at least 95 percent. http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/22/experiment-confirms-lifesaving-potential |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:30:35 PM EDT
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One thing is for certain, arfcom's "small government Republicans" will be here in full force to explain why more government is required to ban thinngs they don't like.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:30:54 PM EDT
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Even if you think vaping is gay as most of Arfcom seems to, can you at least admit the FDA is massively overreaching, esp. considering these products have the potential to reduce deaths from smoking? The Food and Drug Administration's e-cigarette regulations, which took effect last week, immediately struck two blows against public health. As of Monday, companies that sell vaping equipment and the fluids that fill them are forbidden to share potentially lifesaving information about those products with their customers. They are also forbidden to make their products safer, more convenient, or more pleasant to use.
The FDA's censorship and its ban on innovation will discourage smokers from switching to vaping, even though that switch would dramatically reduce the health risks they face. That effect will be compounded by the FDA's requirement that manufacturers obtain its approval for any vaping products they want to keep on the market for longer than two years. The cost of meeting that requirement will force many companies out of business and force those that remain to shrink their offerings, dramatically reducing competition and variety. All of this is unambiguously bad for consumers and bad for public health. Yet the FDA took none of it into account when it estimated the costs imposed by its regulations, simply assuming that good intentions would ensure good results. That law [the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act] gave the FDA authority over tobacco products, a category to which it has arbitrarily assigned tobacco-free e-cigarettes, even when they contain nicotine that is not derived from tobacco or no nicotine at all. The Tobacco Control Act prohibits unapproved "modified risk" claims, including any "explicit or implicit representation that [a] tobacco product or its smoke does not contain or is free of a substance or contains a reduced level of a substance, or presents a reduced exposure to a substance in tobacco smoke." According to the FDA, that means e-cigarette companies are not allowed to advertise the main advantage of their products. Even describing an e-cigarette as "smokeless" or "smoke-free" is asking for trouble, since "the Agency will evaluate an [e-cigarette] manufacturer's use of 'smokeless' or 'smoke-free' (and similar descriptive terms) on a case-by-case basis." The new rules undermine public health, their raison d'être, along with consumer choice and customer service. A brief that 16 advocates of tobacco harm reduction filed last week in support of Nicopure's lawsuit notes that the cost of the FDA's regulations will far outweigh their benefit if they cause even a small percentage of vapers to start smoking again or deter even a small percentage of current smokers from switching. That's because of the huge difference in risk between e-cigarettes and the conventional kind (at least 95 percent, according to the Royal College of Physicians), plus the high cost assigned to each lost "quality-adjusted life-year" (QALY). If just 1 percent of the country's 8.3 million vapers smoke more as a result of the FDA's regulations and that change causes just one lost QALY for each person, the brief says, "that would create a cost of $39-$65 billion undiscounted." By contrast, the FDA's regulatory impact analysis put the total cost of its rules at less than $1 billion.
Whether e-cigarettes "have a net benefit on or harm to public health at the population level," the FDA declares, "regulation of ENDS will still benefit public health." That follows only if you assume regulation has no negative impact on health-related consumer behavior, which is pretty much what the FDA does. It asserts that its regulations will benefit public health but does not attempt to quantify the effect, arguing that even the most conservative projection would justify the rules. The FDA acknowledges that its regulations might also harm public health by retarding the substitution of vaping for smoking. But it does not include that cost in its analysis, deeming it too speculative. The FDA literally assigns zero value to the lives of smokers who would have quit were it not for the agency's heavy-handed meddling. http://reason.com/archives/2016/08/15/fda-e-cigarette-regulations-give-smoking There is only one thing more faggetous than vaping, and that one thing would be the American government. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:31:50 PM EDT
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Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. The side effects would make you stop long before you got to a lethal dose. You would have to drink that shit. Quoted:
I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. Then pass laws against smoking in buildings like many states have. Don't ban it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:41:46 PM EDT
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What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? A new experimental study—the first of its kind, according to the authors—confirms that smokers can dramatically reduce their exposure to toxins and carcinogens by switching to e-cigarettes. "They are safer," the lead author, Maciej Goniewicz, a toxicologist at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, told Buffalo Business First. "It's the first time we have very strong evidence that we will be able now to give [smokers] that the answer is, yes, this you should consider a transition, a substitute for your tobacco cigarette that will save your life."
The study, reported last week in the journal Nicotine & Tobacco Research, involved 20 Polish smokers who were encouraged to replace their cigarettes with the M201, a pen-style vaping system popular in Poland. Each week during the two-week experiment, the researchers supplied the subjects with 20 tobacco-flavored cartridges, each containing 11 milligrams of nicotine in a solution of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Goniewicz and his colleagues used questionnaires and urine tests to assess the subjects at the beginning of the study, after a week, and after two weeks. Nine of the subjects stopped smoking completely, while the rest cut back, from an average of 16 cigarettes a day at the beginning of the study to an average of just one a day at the end. Based on tests for seven nicotine metabolites, the researchers found that nicotine intake stayed the same, while exposure to tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens fell. Goniewicz et al. measured biomarkers for 13 toxins and carcinogens; all but a few declined substantially after the smokers started using e-cigarettes. For example, exposure to NNK, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine "directly associated with lung cancer risk," had fallen by 64 percent after the second week. Exposure to the volatile organic compounds acrolein, ethylene oxide, benzene, and 1,3-butadiene fell by 56 percent, 61 percent, 76 percent, and 84 percent, respectively. "The observed decline in various urine toxicant biomarker levels in our study was similar to decline among smokers who have quit smoking completely and did not substitute with any other product," Goniewicz et al. write. "This observation suggests that e-cigarettes are not a significant source of exposure to those toxicants." Based on chemical analyses of e-cigarette vapor, other researchers have estimated that switching from smoking to vaping reduces health risks by at least 95 percent. http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/22/experiment-confirms-lifesaving-potential Unsubstantiated claim by a biased lab. It's been verboten for a long time for any company to make health claims on products intended for consumption without independent lab testing. Vape manufacturers don't get special treatment, because people that vape aren't special. Actually, many are selfish assholes that don't give a shit if others inhale their vape byproducts. I hate the government over regulation as much as any other freedom loving American, but I also hate vape assholes that think it's their right to inconvenience others. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:47:49 PM EDT
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The side effects would make you stop long before you got to a lethal dose. You would have to drink that shit. Then pass laws against smoking in buildings like many states have. Don't ban it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. The side effects would make you stop long before you got to a lethal dose. You would have to drink that shit. Quoted:
I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. Then pass laws against smoking in buildings like many states have. Don't ban it. I guaran-fuckin-tee any fumes you are exposed to on a highway are worse than vaping fumes. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:48:46 PM EDT
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Fuck the FDA
Vaping is not smoking in any way shape or form. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:51:03 PM EDT
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Unsubstantiated claim by a biased lab. It's been verboten for a long time for any company to make health claims on products intended for consumption without independent lab testing. Vape manufacturers don't get special treatment, because people that vape aren't special. Actually, many are selfish assholes that don't give a shit if others inhale their vape byproducts. I hate the government over regulation as much as any other freedom loving American, but I also hate vape assholes that think it's their right to inconvenience others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? A new experimental study—the first of its kind, according to the authors—confirms that smokers can dramatically reduce their exposure to toxins and carcinogens by switching to e-cigarettes. "They are safer," the lead author, Maciej Goniewicz, a toxicologist at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, told Buffalo Business First. "It's the first time we have very strong evidence that we will be able now to give [smokers] that the answer is, yes, this you should consider a transition, a substitute for your tobacco cigarette that will save your life."
The study, reported last week in the journal Nicotine & Tobacco Research, involved 20 Polish smokers who were encouraged to replace their cigarettes with the M201, a pen-style vaping system popular in Poland. Each week during the two-week experiment, the researchers supplied the subjects with 20 tobacco-flavored cartridges, each containing 11 milligrams of nicotine in a solution of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Goniewicz and his colleagues used questionnaires and urine tests to assess the subjects at the beginning of the study, after a week, and after two weeks. Nine of the subjects stopped smoking completely, while the rest cut back, from an average of 16 cigarettes a day at the beginning of the study to an average of just one a day at the end. Based on tests for seven nicotine metabolites, the researchers found that nicotine intake stayed the same, while exposure to tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens fell. Goniewicz et al. measured biomarkers for 13 toxins and carcinogens; all but a few declined substantially after the smokers started using e-cigarettes. For example, exposure to NNK, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine "directly associated with lung cancer risk," had fallen by 64 percent after the second week. Exposure to the volatile organic compounds acrolein, ethylene oxide, benzene, and 1,3-butadiene fell by 56 percent, 61 percent, 76 percent, and 84 percent, respectively. "The observed decline in various urine toxicant biomarker levels in our study was similar to decline among smokers who have quit smoking completely and did not substitute with any other product," Goniewicz et al. write. "This observation suggests that e-cigarettes are not a significant source of exposure to those toxicants." Based on chemical analyses of e-cigarette vapor, other researchers have estimated that switching from smoking to vaping reduces health risks by at least 95 percent. http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/22/experiment-confirms-lifesaving-potential Unsubstantiated claim by a biased lab. It's been verboten for a long time for any company to make health claims on products intended for consumption without independent lab testing. Vape manufacturers don't get special treatment, because people that vape aren't special. Actually, many are selfish assholes that don't give a shit if others inhale their vape byproducts. I hate the government over regulation as much as any other freedom loving American, but I also hate vape assholes that think it's their right to inconvenience others. I got offended by someone one time. #neverforget |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:52:27 PM EDT
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The FDA realized they could make some money off it. hence getting involved. Local sate taxes depend on smokers but want you to quit.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 8:53:39 PM EDT
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fuck faping and fuck the government.....
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:03:21 PM EDT
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Vapers bring it on themselves. If they didn't live to be obnoxious as hell all the time no one would give a fuck but when you have people trying to fog out a semi formal dining place yelling " it's just water vapor bro" as loud as possible it's going to draw negative attention
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:03:26 PM EDT
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I got offended by someone one time. #neverforget Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? A new experimental study—the first of its kind, according to the authors—confirms that smokers can dramatically reduce their exposure to toxins and carcinogens by switching to e-cigarettes. "They are safer," the lead author, Maciej Goniewicz, a toxicologist at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute, told Buffalo Business First. "It's the first time we have very strong evidence that we will be able now to give [smokers] that the answer is, yes, this you should consider a transition, a substitute for your tobacco cigarette that will save your life."
The study, reported last week in the journal Nicotine & Tobacco Research, involved 20 Polish smokers who were encouraged to replace their cigarettes with the M201, a pen-style vaping system popular in Poland. Each week during the two-week experiment, the researchers supplied the subjects with 20 tobacco-flavored cartridges, each containing 11 milligrams of nicotine in a solution of propylene glycol and vegetable glycerin. Goniewicz and his colleagues used questionnaires and urine tests to assess the subjects at the beginning of the study, after a week, and after two weeks. Nine of the subjects stopped smoking completely, while the rest cut back, from an average of 16 cigarettes a day at the beginning of the study to an average of just one a day at the end. Based on tests for seven nicotine metabolites, the researchers found that nicotine intake stayed the same, while exposure to tobacco-related toxins and carcinogens fell. Goniewicz et al. measured biomarkers for 13 toxins and carcinogens; all but a few declined substantially after the smokers started using e-cigarettes. For example, exposure to NNK, a tobacco-specific nitrosamine "directly associated with lung cancer risk," had fallen by 64 percent after the second week. Exposure to the volatile organic compounds acrolein, ethylene oxide, benzene, and 1,3-butadiene fell by 56 percent, 61 percent, 76 percent, and 84 percent, respectively. "The observed decline in various urine toxicant biomarker levels in our study was similar to decline among smokers who have quit smoking completely and did not substitute with any other product," Goniewicz et al. write. "This observation suggests that e-cigarettes are not a significant source of exposure to those toxicants." Based on chemical analyses of e-cigarette vapor, other researchers have estimated that switching from smoking to vaping reduces health risks by at least 95 percent. http://reason.com/blog/2016/08/22/experiment-confirms-lifesaving-potential Unsubstantiated claim by a biased lab. It's been verboten for a long time for any company to make health claims on products intended for consumption without independent lab testing. Vape manufacturers don't get special treatment, because people that vape aren't special. Actually, many are selfish assholes that don't give a shit if others inhale their vape byproducts. I hate the government over regulation as much as any other freedom loving American, but I also hate vape assholes that think it's their right to inconvenience others. I got offended by someone one time. #neverforget Well boys, we flushed one out! 
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:07:59 PM EDT
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Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. Second hand nicotine poisoning? You're better than that. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:09:48 PM EDT
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I see that freedom is ringing in general discussion once again.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:10:18 PM EDT
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. First post failed it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:11:26 PM EDT
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I see that freedom is ringing in general discussion once again. Nothing wrong with freedom, learn to read people's posts completely. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:12:28 PM EDT
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Vapers bring it on themselves. If they didn't live to be obnoxious as hell all the time no one would give a fuck but when you have people trying to fog out a semi formal dining place yelling " it's just water vapor bro" as loud as possible it's going to draw negative attention Nope, has nothing to do with the tobacco lobby leaning on the government and the government itself losing out on billions of dollars of that sweet, sweet tobacco tax revenue that they rely on for their vote purchasing. It is the cloud chasers (who I admit are mildly annoying). 1.5 years free of an addiction that would have probably killed me, just like it killed several members of my family. ETA: I can all but guarantee you that if patches/gum etc were as effective at getting people to quit as vaping is, mommy government would have shut that shit down just as quick. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:12:47 PM EDT
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:16:29 PM EDT
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My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions.
Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:16:46 PM EDT
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fuck faping and fuck the government..... This |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:16:50 PM EDT
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Those damn vapors! There's always water vapor coming out of their car window polluting the skies. It's causing global warming. When they are in public I always see them hitting their ecig when they are kind of off standing by themselves. The usually hold in the vapor so nothing really comes out but it's still rude. I know they are inhaling nicotine. When I follow them on the sidewalk, I usually smell banana nut bread, vanilla, or cinnamon. Disgusting! They should quit being fags and smoke real cigarettes like real men! Vapors are so retarded! You know that shit's worse for your health than tobacco!
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:17:48 PM EDT
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Vapers bring it on themselves. If they didn't live to be obnoxious as hell all the time no one would give a fuck but when you have people trying to fog out a semi formal dining place yelling " it's just water vapor bro" as loud as possible it's going to draw negative attention I step outside to do it just like I would if I were still smoking. Also, I've never experienced your bs anecdote so I really question how often something like that actually happens. You think people who vape are gay, you can just say it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:20:16 PM EDT
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Nothing wrong with freedom, learn to read people's posts completely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see that freedom is ringing in general discussion once again. Nothing wrong with freedom, learn to read people's posts completely. I read your posts. You're full of shit. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:22:06 PM EDT
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Here come the fabricated stories about how vapers go around blowing smoke in babies' faces while saying "It's just water!"
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:23:12 PM EDT
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. You have every right to stay home and not breathe thst shit. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:24:20 PM EDT
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Not all people who use E-cigarettes are obnoxious. Why anyone wouldn't like the smell of big red gum or would be afraid of water vapor is beyond me but I respect others enough not to subject them to either.
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:28:09 PM EDT
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The FDA realized they could make some money off it. hence getting involved. Local sate taxes depend on smokers but want you to quit. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:29:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing is for certain, arfcom's "small government Republicans" will be here in full force to explain why more government is required to ban thinngs they don't like. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:30:26 PM EDT
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I used vaping to quit smoking. Thought I never would otherwise.
I tapered my nic levels down until I quit vaping as well. Lifesaver in my case. It has it's place although I agreee, a lot of "vapers" are total douches. As far as health benefits, I was coughing and hacking every morning while smoking. About a week after I started vaping all that ended. All I know is it is better than smoking. May not be 100% healthy but much better than the cancer sticks. FDA needs to fuck off and leave e-cigs/vaping alone. No doubt it will help some quit a nasty habit. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. Dumbass post is dumbass. Almost all vapers buy product produced inside the US. The shop where I buy my liquid makes it themselves, with FDA approved, food grade products. I don't know anyone who buys the Chinese garbage. If someone is too stupid to do 5 minutes of research, well, they can pay the price. 3 years tobacco free, thanks to e-cigarettes. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:34:13 PM EDT
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The FDA realized they could make some money off it. hence getting involved. Local sate taxes depend on smokers but want you to quit. Not even close. FDA is clearing the lane for their buddies at the Tobacco companies. What they have put forth are not regulations, they are designed to bring about an end to the industry as a whole. Only the 2-3 vape products put out by the tobacco companies themselves will be approved due to the costs associated with approval. Everybody else will just go out of business. My prediction is that it will just go underground. Then the ATF will be conducting raids on vape dealers. Yay freedom. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:34:31 PM EDT
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Dumbass post is dumbass. Almost all vapers buy product produced inside the US. The shop where I buy my liquid makes it themselves, with FDA approved, food grade products. I don't know anyone who buys the Chinese garbage. If someone is too stupid to do 5 minutes of research, well, they can pay the price. 3 years tobacco free, thanks to e-cigarettes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. 3 years tobacco free, thanks to e-cigarettes. Did you read three words, and post a response? Outstanding reading comprehension! |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:37:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What sort of studies have been conducted that prove its less harmful? Not many that I know of, and certainly no long-term studies to this point. However, anyone with a decent understanding of chemistry knows that an aqueous mixture with low concentrations of nicotine and flavoring, along with very tiny amounts of combustion bi-products, is very likely to be much less harmful than breathing in smoke from burning leaves that contains large amounts of hundreds of known carcinogens, plus nicotine. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:39:19 PM EDT
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My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. So, which companies are these? There are 101 companies producing the liquid, and many stores mix raw liquids with the flavoring on site. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you read three words, and post a response? Outstanding reading comprehension! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. 3 years tobacco free, thanks to e-cigarettes. Did you read three words, and post a response? Outstanding reading comprehension! I read everything you wrote carefully. Congrats, you can spell and form sentences. It doesn't negate the stupidity of your post. Perhaps you should work on your comprehension. I know for a fact that the two companies that I buy from source their components carefully, from US sources. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One thing is for certain, arfcom's "small government Republicans" will be here in full force to explain why more government is required to ban thinngs they don't like. I couldnt have put it any more succinct than this. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:51:25 PM EDT
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. You better tighten up those boot straps Nancy, this world's a rough place. |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:51:41 PM EDT
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My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning? lol |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:54:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Enjoy your gross lead poisoning? lol Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning? lol  |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because nicotine poisoning is better than lung cancer. (I neither smoke, vap or chew tobacco) |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:56:52 PM EDT
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Not even close. FDA is clearing the lane for their buddies at the Tobacco companies. What they have put forth are not regulations, they are designed to bring about an end to the industry as a whole. Only the 2-3 vape products put out by the tobacco companies themselves will be approved due to the costs associated with approval. Everybody else will just go out of business. My prediction is that it will just go underground. Then the ATF will be conducting raids on vape dealers. Yay freedom. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The FDA realized they could make some money off it. hence getting involved. Local sate taxes depend on smokers but want you to quit. Not even close. FDA is clearing the lane for their buddies at the Tobacco companies. What they have put forth are not regulations, they are designed to bring about an end to the industry as a whole. Only the 2-3 vape products put out by the tobacco companies themselves will be approved due to the costs associated with approval. Everybody else will just go out of business. My prediction is that it will just go underground. Then the ATF will be conducting raids on vape dealers. Yay freedom. You get it. Right now no company is allowed to sell any new flavors without FDA testing and approval. It's a $300k bill per flavor, per pg/vg ratio, per nic lvl. The whole FDA reaching out this far is completely fucked and they do not have the rights to do so. But because big .gov sees dollars nobody's stopping it. Come 8/8/18 vaping will be a thing of the past |
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Posted: 9/24/2016 9:59:49 PM EDT
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You better tighten up those boot straps Nancy, this world's a rough place. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't care if it's not actually smoke, I still don't want to breathe that shit. You better tighten up those boot straps Nancy, this world's a rough place. LOL You seem on edge - do you need another dose of strawberry flavored nicotine?
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:00:42 PM EDT
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So is the FDA cracking down on fog machines at concerts too? Or is it just fog machines that have flavors scents added?
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Posted: 9/24/2016 10:08:03 PM EDT
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My buddy worked for a little Chinese e-commerce business here in California. He sent me some spy shots of the nasty warehouses over in Ghongzhoa Province or some sh-- like that which produces some of their "vape liquid". It was pretty disgusting: leaking battery acid literally dripping all over, opened and spilled chemical containers, rotting food, and uncleaned restroom, and just overall filthy commercial conditions. Oh, and by the way, those scumbags slap "Made in America" stickers on them after receiving shipments from the LA ports. Good luck to all you fools that consume that stuff. Enjoy your gross lead poisoning. Lol my local vape shop mixes my juice to order. |
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