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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:15:27 PM EDT
[#1]
You don't want wood with that many people + pets.
High quality laminate is outstanding these days, it costs a lot too. Edit: Buy 3 extra boxes of the laminate; it's more than you'll ever need. Edit 2: Hardwood can be repaired, but in general it's way more expensive than a few extra boxes. Edit 3: Keep wood/laminate out of your bathroom. Neither are all that great for dealing with moisture. Tile is the way to go. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:16:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Pull your big boy pants up and tell her you are the boss?
Eject? Good luck. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:16:40 PM EDT
[#3]
A laminate that is wood laminate with an upper ply that is thick enough for sanding is probably superior to solid flooring due to improved stability.
Thin plies or crappy photo engraved paper aren't so hot. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:18:56 PM EDT
[#4]
Two kids, a big dog and three cats. I wish the floors, walls and ceiling through the whole house was laminate. I will save the real wood floors for when I am retired and the grand kids are a little older.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:19:45 PM EDT
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We did pre-finished hardwood in the bedrooms and hallways. I viewed it as a compromise financially between laminate and true hardwood. Anyway, turned out great and we're real happy with it.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:21:06 PM EDT
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Tell her that laminate will always have non sealed cracks between the "boards". Just imagine dog piss or spilled drinks getting between the "boards" and sitting there forever and stinking up the house.
Hardwood that's properly installed and finished in place is sealed, until the coating is worn through. Then you refinish it. A well done and maintained hardwood floor should last 90 years. I've never seen a laminate live up to the hype. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:24:01 PM EDT
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I'm really glad we got laminate. It's been down for 10-11 years, and still looks new. Some hardwood looks better, but it will never wear better.
I'm do demo. One section of the company does nothing but surface demo (floor removal). We work for contractors and installers or the homeowners and tear out tile, hardwood, VCT, and carpet for a living. I say that to saw the below. Whatever you do, do NOT glue hardwood or engineered wood dirrectly down to the plywood subfloor. Put down a breaking layer first. Like a sheet of 3/8 particle board or ply and shoot or screw it down. Then use glue if you need to. Nailing is best for repairs and replacement. But a squeak is likely. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:24:15 PM EDT
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I recently sold a house in the Dallas metro area, upper 300k range. I put in brand new high quality laminate flooring in the dining room and office right before it was listed. One comment from EVERY prospective buyer - why did he cheap out with a fake wood floor? Never again.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:26:18 PM EDT
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My dad has poplar floors on his cabin that are roughly 250 years old....
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:30:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Wood repro tile or wood repro vinyl
I'm going with the wood repro tile in the kitchen because I like to cook when I'm drunk and I make a mess. Ergo it needs to be mopped. Sans dogs, kids and teenagers (soon for the teenagers which are worse than dogs) I will go with real hardwood floors but I am not spending the money until I know they won't get destroyed by teenage boys spilling coke and sweet tea and ignoring their fuckups like they never did it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:32:39 PM EDT
[#11]
google image "laminate floor water damage"
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:33:31 PM EDT
[#12]
REAL HARD WOOD.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:35:41 PM EDT
[#13]
Buy once, cry once. Hardwood, not laminate.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:40:13 PM EDT
[#14]
wood grain tile.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:42:21 PM EDT
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I recently sold a house in the Dallas metro area, upper 300k range. I put in brand new high quality laminate flooring in the dining room and office right before it was listed. One comment from EVERY prospective buyer - why did he cheap out with a fake wood floor? Never again. This. Also,anyone rooting for laminate doesn't know what's involved in changing out a single board in the middle of a room due to one little chip. Especially a big room. Real wood floors are sealed completely from one end of the room to the other. Laminate floors have cracks in between every fucking board where water and any other liquid can get in and cause swelling, seperation and degredation. This is why the manufacturer recommends not wet mopping laminate flooring. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:43:07 PM EDT
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wood grain tile. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:43:37 PM EDT
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Quoted: She is convinced we need laminate(thanks father in law) because it will hold up better. Yes, it should. I fake product with an interior made of paper and sawdust will hold up better than solid wood? Better tell that to 200 year old floor in my 200 year year old house. Get a sample of laminant and a sample of solid hard wood, put them in a plastic container, pour a glass of water in it, and check it a day later. Tell me which one holds up better. Water leaks, storm damage, and flooding happen. An addition to the 200 year old house had a roof leak and has poured water onto the floor half a dozen times. The guy who built the addition put solid ash floors in to match the rest of the house. I have a fan on it and the floor is pretty much fine. Try that with laminate. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:43:54 PM EDT
[#18]
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This is a good idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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wood grain tile. Yes. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:44:45 PM EDT
[#19]
A 100 years from now, nobody will be trying to preserve laminate.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:44:57 PM EDT
[#20]
Laminate? Check if it has formaldehyde...or is that engineered
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:46:43 PM EDT
[#21]
Tile, the answer is always tile.
Get the ones that look like wood. I wish I did that instead of wood, I have two dogs.....eventually I will be tearing the whole downstairs up and trying again at the rate they are destroying it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:46:48 PM EDT
[#22]
Laminate can be refinished maybe once.
Hardwood can be refinished several times. Long term= Hardwood. If you plan on staying there forever, put down natural stone. It's a better heat/ cold sink. Thermal Mass saves $$$$. The shit last forever. Cost per sq.Ft. is comparable to hard wood flooring. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:47:01 PM EDT
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Pull your big boy pants up and tell her you are the boss? Eject? Good luck. Pull your big boy pants down and show her you are the boss? Eject? Good luck. 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:47:43 PM EDT
[#24]
condem argument... been there. Wifes tend to think through the consequences more then we do.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:47:47 PM EDT
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google image "laminate floor water damage" So what? Google hardwood floor water damage.... All wood floors can be water damaged. Different laminate and different woods are susceptible at different rates. Bamboo is the fucking worst... It's not wood people! It's fucking grass! It is not UV stable! It is extremely moisture sencitive! It's not hard compared to other wood, it's actually pretty damn soft... because it's grass! .... Not wood! Lol. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:49:03 PM EDT
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I fake product with an interior made of paper and sawdust will hold up better than solid wood? Better tell that to 200 year old floor in my 200 year year old house. Get a sample of laminant and a sample of solid hard wood, put them in a plastic container, pour a glass of water in it, and check it a day later. Tell me which one holds up better. Water leaks, storm damage, and flooding happen. An addition to the 200 year old house had a roof leak and has poured water onto the floor half a dozen times. The guy who built the addition put solid ash floors in to match the rest of the house. I have a fan on it and the floor is pretty much fine. Try that with laminate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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She is convinced we need laminate(thanks father in law) because it will hold up better. Yes, it should. I fake product with an interior made of paper and sawdust will hold up better than solid wood? Better tell that to 200 year old floor in my 200 year year old house. Get a sample of laminant and a sample of solid hard wood, put them in a plastic container, pour a glass of water in it, and check it a day later. Tell me which one holds up better. Water leaks, storm damage, and flooding happen. An addition to the 200 year old house had a roof leak and has poured water onto the floor half a dozen times. The guy who built the addition put solid ash floors in to match the rest of the house. I have a fan on it and the floor is pretty much fine. Try that with laminate. Construction manufacturers have been trying to push sawdust and glue products onto the market for generations now, with the sales pitch always being "It's stronger and more durable than wood." Everything from OSB to manufactured floor joists (1/2" osb with 2x2 caps) to trim (crown and base nothing but sawdust and glue with a paper veneer to look like primed wood. The list goes on forever. It's shit and it doesn't last or work like real wood. 20 years experience in carpentry. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:49:23 PM EDT
[#27]
Wood. No substitutes.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:49:33 PM EDT
[#28]
What you want, op, is luxury vynal planks. Wood look, but thicker vynal, can be peeled up and replaced easily, and is virtually indestructible short of taking a knife to it. It'll do well with pets, AND moisture.
Plus it goes down alot easier, with alot less dust (cuts with a knife, vrs saws) It's also softer on your feet. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:49:43 PM EDT
[#29]
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Laminate? Check if it has formaldehyde...or is that engineered Engineered hardwood from Lumber Liquidators sourced from China. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:51:55 PM EDT
[#30]
I have pre-finished oak hardwood in one house and it has been down twenty years, no pets in this one.
Outside of some dings and dents in a few spots where I dropped some items it still looks great. The second house has high end laminate in every room but for the baths, and in this one I have a dog. It is darker then the oak and has been down for three years and I hate it. It is terrible to take care of, it shows every foot print, every little piece of anything. It is horrible with regards to spills, the dog plays with his water bowl and if you do not clean it up ASAP it screws the laminate. When he was a puppy he had a few accidents and if you did not clean it up ASAP the laminate was screwed and started to bubble. Laminate, never again. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:52:00 PM EDT
[#31]
I have hardwood , oak in the kitchen and cherry in the dining room . My ex -gf had laminate , The solid wood in my house is 20 years older than her laminate and looks better still . The laminate seemed to show dents and scratches much more than my hardwood. My wood has seen a dog and shows no signs of it
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:52:14 PM EDT
[#32]
The only time I would choose laminate over hardwood is for a finished basement; even then I would choose engineered hardwood over laminate.
OP should also keep in mind that not all laminate is created equal. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:52:49 PM EDT
[#33]
We have the whole house, minus kitchen and bathrooms in laminate.
With a dog and two cats its a must, the test for our floor is we gave the dog to sample for two weeks She chewed , chewed and chewed with little to no damage except around the edges. Then we put 2 pieces in a bucket of water for two days and their was very little swelling and the two pieces interlocked. The above made the decision a no brainier, we got the rough finish floor for the rustic look and kept 4 boxes of it in case we ever had a issue. The wife and I watched a youtube video and put down 1200 sq ft of it ourselves and saved the $1700 install fee. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:55:35 PM EDT
[#34]
Whichever you choose, make sure it is a timeless style, because who gives a shit how long it lasts if it looks dated in a few years.
BTW.....I just put some ceramic tile in my wife's home office and it looks like beached oak planks. I like it a lot........it does not follow the advice I just gave, but in this case it doesn't matter.....my wife beats the hell out of that floor and I expect to change it again in 6-7 years. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:56:28 PM EDT
[#35]
As an owner and installer of our hardwood flooring I can tell you that you don't want hardwood with pets and kids.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:02:37 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As an owner and installer of our hardwood flooring I can tell you that you don't want hardwood with pets and kids. Do they not make stronger coatings that can be applied to real hardwood floors? One would think a better finish would have been invented by now. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:02:53 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As an owner and installer of our hardwood flooring I can tell you that you don't want hardwood with pets and kids. This and actually kids are the worst, you can clip your dogs nails. I have some shitty as vinyl in the kitchens and baths along with shitty ass carpet and a 14 y/o boy When he goes away to college or stops being a fucking spaz I will redo the kitchen with wood tile and the floors with real hardwood. For now I won't even paint the fucking hallway cause he can't seem to walk through it without putting his grubby hands on it. I am a realist and was once a spaz retarded teenager too, so it doesn't bother me. I will bide my time and do it once and do it right, Wet areas equal repro wood tile, living areas equal good hardwoods. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:03:58 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Also,anyone rooting for laminate doesn't know what's involved in changing out a single board in the middle of a room due to one little chip. Especially a big room. Real wood floors are sealed completely from one end of the room to the other. Laminate floors have cracks in between every fucking board where water and any other liquid can get in and cause swelling, seperation and degredation. This is why the manufacturer recommends not wet mopping laminate flooring. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I recently sold a house in the Dallas metro area, upper 300k range. I put in brand new high quality laminate flooring in the dining room and office right before it was listed. One comment from EVERY prospective buyer - why did he cheap out with a fake wood floor? Never again. This. Also,anyone rooting for laminate doesn't know what's involved in changing out a single board in the middle of a room due to one little chip. Especially a big room. Real wood floors are sealed completely from one end of the room to the other. Laminate floors have cracks in between every fucking board where water and any other liquid can get in and cause swelling, seperation and degredation. This is why the manufacturer recommends not wet mopping laminate flooring. Putting down the floor the first time has a learning curve, after that its easy. Hardest part is cutting the the pieces for the doorways etc. If a guy that has never ran a table saw and his 45 yr old wife can figure it out anyone can. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:04:16 AM EDT
[#39]
The right kind of hardwood will stand up to pet and kid abuse just fine. We have two types of wood floors in our house. We have pine floors on the main floor, and oak hardwood in our bedroom. Our two labs and 3 cats are all over both floors all the time. The oak floors look brand new. The pine floors though, they look like hell.
If money isn't an object, ge't a real, GOOD hardwood floor, and it'll last a damn long time. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:06:49 AM EDT
[#40]
go with a thick high quality laminate and it will last for decades! as everyone else said, do not do hardwood with kids and dogs
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:09:55 AM EDT
[#41]
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Tell her that laminate will always have non sealed cracks between the "boards". Just imagine dog piss or spilled drinks getting between the "boards" and sitting there forever and stinking up the house. Hardwood that's properly installed and finished in place is sealed, until the coating is worn through. Then you refinish it. A well done and maintained hardwood floor should last 90 well over 100 years. I've never seen a laminate live up to the hype. Fixed ETA: But dogs will beat it to shit. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:10:21 AM EDT
[#42]
what aboot wood grained tile? google images of it
It is looking pretty good these days...and perfect for wet area. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:11:04 AM EDT
[#43]
Lvt is some pretty nice stuff
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:13:22 AM EDT
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what aboot wood grained tile? google images of it It is looking pretty good these days...and perfect for wet area. Something tells me that in not much time, it will be the next shag carpet or 32 sq. ft. wood paneling that gets ripped out during remodels. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:23:19 AM EDT
[#45]
So OP's wife is not into hard wood but he is?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:19:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Tell her that laminate will always have non sealed cracks between the "boards". Just imagine dog piss or spilled drinks getting between the "boards" and sitting there forever and stinking up the house. Hardwood that's properly installed and finished in place is sealed, until the coating is worn through. Then you refinish it. A well done and maintained hardwood floor should last 90 years. I've never seen a laminate live up to the hype. There is vinyl that has adhesive overlap and is waterproof. That's what I used in my entry way. Has been holding up great to a family of six and a dirt driveway (lots of grit tracked inside) |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:23:43 AM EDT
[#47]
Do you ever want a BJ again?
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:26:49 AM EDT
[#48]
If you do end up doing laminate spring for the higher quality underlayment, at least 2mm. It will even out minor floor imperfections, make a quieter floor and add a few r value for insulation.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:28:34 AM EDT
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REAL HARD WOOD. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 2:32:40 AM EDT
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Two kids, a big dog and three cats. I wish the floors, walls and ceiling through the whole house was laminate. I will save the real wood floors for when I am retired and the grand kids are a little older. Good luck with the broken hip. |
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