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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:09:58 PM EDT
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:13:13 PM EDT
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:14:22 PM EDT
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone?
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:14:59 PM EDT
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Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Please ? |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:17:05 PM EDT
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Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Liberty has a patent for a multiple component bullet. M855A1/M80A1 use a copper jacket, copper slug, and steel arrow head. Liberty used old rounds like M193 to show why this new fangled design infrigned on their patent. Purposely leaving out rounds like M855 that use a copper jacket, steel penetrator, and lead slug. The courts called them on this and ruled in favor of the Army. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:19:23 PM EDT
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Liberty has a patent for a multiple component bullet. M855A1/M80A1 use a copper jacket, copper slug, and steel arrow head. Liberty used old rounds like M193 to show why this new fangled design infrigned on their patent. Purposely leaving out rounds like M855 that use a copper jacket, steel penetrator, and lead slug. The courts called them on this and ruled in favor of the Army. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Liberty has a patent for a multiple component bullet. M855A1/M80A1 use a copper jacket, copper slug, and steel arrow head. Liberty used old rounds like M193 to show why this new fangled design infrigned on their patent. Purposely leaving out rounds like M855 that use a copper jacket, steel penetrator, and lead slug. The courts called them on this and ruled in favor of the Army. AH YES ! Capital idea my good man! And good ruling all around. I think..... ....I could be wrong though. I'm wrong a lot of things. 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:22:06 PM EDT
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AH YES ! Capital idea my good man! And good ruling all around. I think..... ....I could be wrong though. I'm wrong a lot of things.
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Liberty has a patent for a multiple component bullet. M855A1/M80A1 use a copper jacket, copper slug, and steel arrow head. Liberty used old rounds like M193 to show why this new fangled design infrigned on their patent. Purposely leaving out rounds like M855 that use a copper jacket, steel penetrator, and lead slug. The courts called them on this and ruled in favor of the Army. AH YES ! Capital idea my good man! And good ruling all around. I think..... ....I could be wrong though. I'm wrong a lot of things.
Liberty's patent was all reaching and ecompassed practically anything that is made of 3 parts. This is a good ruling imo. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:27:09 PM EDT
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody?
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Posted: 8/26/2016 7:32:01 PM EDT
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Based on the OP's post it sounds like the court came to a good decision.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 8:13:56 PM EDT
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:00:12 PM EDT
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:45:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on the OP's post it sounds like the court came to a good decision. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:49:06 PM EDT
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Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:51:18 PM EDT
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That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ceramic master race |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:51:29 PM EDT
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It may bring about a new revolution of Level IV plates. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:56:48 PM EDT
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Is this the same A1 that is fucking up rifles left and right (wearing out at a much lower rate of fire) from how hot the round is loaded? Or is that the green eco friendly shit? Are they the same, or have I had too many beers tonight and getting my shit mixed up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I believe it was tearing up feedramps Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:57:21 PM EDT
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Is this the same A1 that is fucking up rifles left and right (wearing out at a much lower rate of fire) from how hot the round is loaded? Or is that the green eco friendly shit? Are they the same, or have I had too many beers tonight and getting my shit mixed up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:58:22 PM EDT
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I believe it was tearing up feedramps Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I believe it was tearing up feedramps Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And yes, it's loaded hotter and I believe it's "green" ammo Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:59:31 PM EDT
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It's also wearing out the feed ramps thanks to the exposed steel penetrator. There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Mag feed angle that Magpul developed and the army ripped off Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:27:33 PM EDT
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ceramic master race 
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:31:55 PM EDT
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Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. About how long does that take? I wonder if there will be "2nds" as there was with the the Mk262 ammo. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:33:33 PM EDT
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Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Please ? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Can you simplify it a little more for me; I'm both dim whited and lack reading comprehension. Please ? I can has the boolits? |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:34:59 PM EDT
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It's also wearing out the feed ramps thanks to the exposed steel penetrator. There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mag feed angle that Magpul developed and the army ripped off Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Mag feed angle that Magpul developed and the army ripped off Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile there's also the anti-tilt followers that Magpul made that the army copied too |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:41:48 PM EDT
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Better crank up my barrel production.
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:46:02 PM EDT
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Not to be a kill-joy, but y'all remember the first president Clinton? The one who signed an executive order to destroy military surplus ammo, rather than sell it, as it's a "weapon of war?"
M855A1 might make it in small quantities bought back from police or broken down ammo, like the FN SS190. That's assuming BATFE doesn't change the law again banning M855, M855A1, M995 and all FMJ rifle rounds--for the children & police safety. Sorry to piss in the cornflakes. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 10:48:31 PM EDT
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Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Liberty tried to use old bullets to say the new ones infringed on their patent, while neglecting other multi component rounds like M855. Courts called bs and found in favor of the Army. That will do it. |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:19:46 PM EDT
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Better crank up my barrel production. This. A solid copper projectile has to do a number on a barrel. PS I don't like you |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 11:48:08 PM EDT
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Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 12:09:45 AM EDT
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In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. As far as the barrel knows it's a solid copper round, sadly solid copper rounds tear up barrels faster than FMJ's Quoted:
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. It would be like feeding your barrel nothing but brown tip, Except affordable and better. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 1:09:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Explain that in fat drunk southern white guy speak please. Got damn gubmint steelin mah boolits |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 1:12:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ceramic master race Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ceramic master race |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:20:22 AM EDT
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This. A solid copper projectile has to do a number on a barrel. PS I don't like you Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Better crank up my barrel production. This. A solid copper projectile has to do a number on a barrel. PS I don't like you LOL . |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:38:00 AM EDT
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Is this an issue at all with non-ARs in either 5.56 or 7.62? |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:41:00 AM EDT
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In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. I wonder if a lead-core bullet can be made that mimics its ballistics. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 7:50:30 AM EDT
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Looks like I'm going to be saving up for some of this stuff.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:10:48 AM EDT
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Not to be a kill-joy, but y'all remember the first president Clinton? The one who signed an executive order to destroy military surplus ammo, rather than sell it, as it's a "weapon of war?" M855A1 might make it in small quantities bought back from police or broken down ammo, like the FN SS190. That's assuming BATFE doesn't change the law again banning M855, M855A1, M995 and all FMJ rifle rounds--for the children & police safety. Sorry to piss in the cornflakes. While we can't have first-run surplus, we can purchase QC seconds and rejects similar to the XM855 and XM193 we have now. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 8:20:23 AM EDT
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Is this the same A1 that is fucking up rifles left and right (wearing out at a much lower rate of fire) from how hot the round is loaded? Or is that the green eco friendly shit? Are they the same, or have I had too many beers tonight and getting my shit mixed up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Combination of hot loading and the bullet construction itself. The exposed steel point tears shit up. M4 feed ramps are now obsolete, the army had to redesign the magazines to feed direct into the barrel extension, as the new bullet was wrecking the aluminum upper. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:40:28 AM EDT
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Better crank up my barrel production. This. A solid copper projectile has to do a number on a barrel. PS I don't like you LOL . 
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:43:03 AM EDT
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So this means the cases of M855 I have stacked is worthless now.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:55:07 AM EDT
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Is this an issue at all with non-ARs in either 5.56 or 7.62? Just use Pmags, ETS, or Tangodown mags. All 3 fix the issue. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 10:57:39 AM EDT
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Is this an issue at all with non-ARs in either 5.56 or 7.62? Just use Pmags, ETS, or Tangodown mags. All 3 fix the issue. All of which are AR mags and don't usually work in non-ARs, especially regarding 7.62mm weapons. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:04:31 AM EDT
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So this means the cases of M855 I have stacked is worthless now. Send it to me for disposal. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:15:35 AM EDT
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I wonder if a lead-core bullet can be made that mimics its ballistics. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does that mean m855a1 for everyone? Is that a good idea? Several sources have said that stuff burns the hell out of barrels. In my experience, you get around half the barrel life. This was all on Mk18's, but I recall test data that showed about the same for M4 and M16 as well. In my opinion, not worth it for training. Use it as a service round, get something else for range use. I wonder if a lead-core bullet can be made that mimics its ballistics. Someone somewhere did a calculation and found that the replacement parts cost less than EPA fines for lead use. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:46:05 AM EDT
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That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile There are new mag bodies out there to change the presentation angle to try to fix that. Kharn Mag feed angle that Magpul developed and the army ripped off Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile there's also the anti-tilt followers that Magpul made that the army copied too The follower rip off I understand the complaints but being upset because they changed the feed lip angle of a mag designed 50 Yeats ago to work better with a new projectile is stupid. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:49:37 AM EDT
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Is this the same A1 that is fucking up rifles left and right (wearing out at a much lower rate of fire) from how hot the round is loaded? Or is that the green eco friendly shit? Are they the same, or have I had too many beers tonight and getting my shit mixed up? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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so cheap mil surp m855A1 for everybody? Eventually. Once the Army has it stockpiled. That will make a shit ton of body armor obsolete Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile The A1 is the eco friendly stuff and yes, there are reports of it wearing out barrels faster, as if Uncle Sugar gives a fuck. |
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:51:18 AM EDT
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I see pulls in my future.
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Posted: 8/27/2016 11:51:53 AM EDT
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Someone somewhere did a calculation and found that the replacement parts cost less than EPA fines for lead use. M855A1 is something like .38c per round according to the most recent budget I saw regarding it. That's just slightly more than M855. I do find it interesting to see what a solid copper round does to barrels when it's being shot in large quantities...considering solid copper rounds are considered the best there is. |
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