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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:01:46 PM EDT
Many people got 0 dollar raise.
Some people ( person) got 11k dollar raise  Years ago Marine-Ordie had me read A Message To Garcia. I was always a good worker and did well. But MTG crystallized a few things for me. My boss 3 levels higher notices  Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight  Strong is an understatement |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:04:02 PM EDT
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Yeah every boot to ever grace the Marine Corps is forced to read it.
Its a good lesson. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:04:23 PM EDT
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Damned if I didn't understand every word.
Congrats! 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:08:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damned if I didn't understand every word. Congrats!
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:10:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:12:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit Camacho Triple Maduro |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently!!!!! Camacho Triple Maduro Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit That is a stout stick, do not smoke it on a empty stomach  |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:16:33 PM EDT
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Grumble.....
Stupid avatar changers... Get off my lawn too! |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:18:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a stout stick, do not smoke it on a empty stomach Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit That is a stout stick, do not smoke it on a empty stomach She knew what was up. I am new to cigars |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:18:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grumble..... Stupid avatar changers... Get off my lawn too! |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did. My wife laughed at me and had me drink some sweet tea and eat a sammich She knew what was up. I am new to cigars  Never smoke a Maduro on a empty belly Eat a good meal, sit back and enjoy the smoke  |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:24:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never smoke a Maduro on a empty belly Eat a good meal, sit back and enjoy the smoke http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=38222 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I did. My wife laughed at me and had me drink some sweet tea and eat a sammich She knew what was up. I am new to cigars Never smoke a Maduro on a empty belly Eat a good meal, sit back and enjoy the smoke http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=38222 |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:28:01 PM EDT
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Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight
Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:30:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit awesomeness |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:33:23 PM EDT
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IYAOYAS awesomeness
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Oh, and if MarineOrdie ever sends you a cigar you better have your balls screwed on tight
Strong is an understatement Just so you know, Ordies do not fuck around with wimpy shit awesomeness
Haha, yeah I smoked a hefty cigar when buddie and i were drinking boons what a bad idea 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:38:58 PM EDT
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What is a message to Garcia?
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Posted: 8/24/2016 6:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is a message to Garcia? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:00:16 PM EDT
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Just got home. Too late to,get drunk.
I was last person out besides the on call person. 6 lazy fucks were sitting around at 7 pm. Still,plenty of,work to do. They wonder why they didn't get a raise. "I'm going to start looking for another job" By all means, please do!!!! |
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Posted: 8/25/2016 9:46:42 AM EDT
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Bump for the CWO4
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Posted: 8/25/2016 10:22:07 PM EDT
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Bump for PM.
I'll send him a link next |
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Posted: 8/26/2016 9:14:10 PM EDT
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IM Sent
Gonna interrupt his Friday cigar smokin Probably send him some sticks tomorrow. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:15:44 AM EDT
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ETA unrelated to A Message to Garcia. Read No Victor no Vanquished. Outstanding book about the Arab Israeli war. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:21:58 AM EDT
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Of note I had a sergeant read that book one day a message to Garcia and she took it literally what a f****** idiot.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:33:21 AM EDT
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time.
Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:34:22 AM EDT
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It is a great read and it is truth. I see many people new to the work force and many who have been in the work force for a long time who ask me why they can't get promoted or get favorable action. I have printed out this many times and handed it out to junior leaders in my organization. It seldom has any effect.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:34:50 AM EDT
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:38:36 AM EDT
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Semper
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:45:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:54:03 AM EDT
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Then you missed the point. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:00:41 AM EDT
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Been a few years since I have read it, might give it another go.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:03:28 AM EDT
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No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. added to the list. And yes, MTG is usually force fed. It is good though, because if you ask people what they got out of it you heard all sorts of things... some of them might make deciding who to FAP out easier. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:03:45 AM EDT
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No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. See, you did miss the point. The point of a letter to Garcia is that Rowan was a critical thinker and capable and willing to act independently, without instruction. He was asked to get a letter to Garcia and he just grabbed the letter and got it done. That is not what robots do. Robots must have every action programmed by the leader. I have read almost every word written by military minds that I have ever seen, from Marcus Aurelius to Sun Tzu and all the stuff in between. You are right in the that the book is simple. It simply asks workers to be smart, independent and capable of action without having to be told every move to make. I'm sorry you missed it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:04:01 AM EDT
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No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. Clearly a leadership problem.  My guess is you never made it past LCpl, have a least 1 NJP, felt like you were picked on, couldn't make it to work on time, failed Bks inspection on a regular basis, had long fucking hair and had to be told multiple times to shave your face.
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:05:35 AM EDT
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See, you did miss the point. The point of a letter to Garcia is that Rowan was a critical thinker and capable and willing to act independently, without instruction. He was asked to get a letter to Garcia and he just grabbed the letter and got it done. That is not what robots do. Robots must have every action programmed by the leader. I have read almost every word written by military minds that I have ever seen, from Marcus Aurelius to Sun Tzu and all the stuff in between. You are right in the that the book is simple. It simply asks workers to be smart, independent and capable of action without having to be told every move to make. I'm sorry you missed it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. See, you did miss the point. The point of a letter to Garcia is that Rowan was a critical thinker and capable and willing to act independently, without instruction. He was asked to get a letter to Garcia and he just grabbed the letter and got it done. That is not what robots do. Robots must have every action programmed by the leader. I have read almost every word written by military minds that I have ever seen, from Marcus Aurelius to Sun Tzu and all the stuff in between. You are right in the that the book is simple. It simply asks workers to be smart, independent and capable of action without having to be told every move to make. I'm sorry you missed it. Excellent!
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:10:57 AM EDT
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. John Chapman's book? |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:15:26 AM EDT
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When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. See, you did miss the point. The point of a letter to Garcia is that Rowan was a critical thinker and capable and willing to act independently, without instruction. He was asked to get a letter to Garcia and he just grabbed the letter and got it done. That is not what robots do. Robots must have every action programmed by the leader. I have read almost every word written by military minds that I have ever seen, from Marcus Aurelius to Sun Tzu and all the stuff in between. You are right in the that the book is simple. It simply asks workers to be smart, independent and capable of action without having to be told every move to make. I'm sorry you missed it. Excellent! 
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Posted: 8/28/2016 9:49:28 AM EDT
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...just a guess I think that both of us actually have a very similar mindset about this, and that if we were having this discussion in person as opposed to through a screen it would be much better and less pointed. I can understand your comment about being a turd-Marine, and I am happy to say the exact opposite is true. I know exactly the type of guy you are referring to though. He is the guy who is bored of reading MTG not because he thinks it's over-simplified and self-evident. He's the guy who will never ever get it because his parents sucked and even his NCOs can't undo 19 years of snowflake garbage parenting. He is the guy that makes the rest of us wish the tree-line was still a thing. I did understand the point of MTG, and Buckshot did a good job of summarizing exactly what it means. The biggest problem with it is the way it's interpreted by most enlisted leadership, and the reason they have E-3's read it. You're right, there was a leadership problem. When I was an E-3 my leadership set the example of exactly how NOT to be. That's what made it so frustrating. I understood MTG, but my Sgts did not. Shortly after our paths split, they either got demoted or kicked out. I hope you don't think I meant any disrespect towards you or something you hold dear, I did come off that way, so for that I apologize. You gleaned something great from it and I won't rag on it anymore. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 9:54:53 AM EDT
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I read, understood, and generally enjoyed what 'Message to Garcia' had to teach.
And then I wondered how many other guys had been sent out with the same message and didn't make it back to have a story written about them. 
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:21:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:30:35 PM EDT
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I think that both of us actually have a very similar mindset about this, and that if we were having this discussion in person as opposed to through a screen it would be much better and less pointed. I can understand your comment about being a turd-Marine, and I am happy to say the exact opposite is true. I know exactly the type of guy you are referring to though. He is the guy who is bored of reading MTG not because he thinks it's over-simplified and self-evident. He's the guy who will never ever get it because his parents sucked and even his NCOs can't undo 19 years of snowflake garbage parenting. He is the guy that makes the rest of us wish the tree-line was still a thing. I did understand the point of MTG, and Buckshot did a good job of summarizing exactly what it means. The biggest problem with it is the way it's interpreted by most enlisted leadership, and the reason they have E-3's read it. You're right, there was a leadership problem. When I was an E-3 my leadership set the example of exactly how NOT to be. That's what made it so frustrating. I understood MTG, but my Sgts did not. Shortly after our paths split, they either got demoted or kicked out. I hope you don't think I meant any disrespect towards you or something you hold dear, I did come off that way, so for that I apologize. You gleaned something great from it and I won't rag on it anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...just a guess I think that both of us actually have a very similar mindset about this, and that if we were having this discussion in person as opposed to through a screen it would be much better and less pointed. I can understand your comment about being a turd-Marine, and I am happy to say the exact opposite is true. I know exactly the type of guy you are referring to though. He is the guy who is bored of reading MTG not because he thinks it's over-simplified and self-evident. He's the guy who will never ever get it because his parents sucked and even his NCOs can't undo 19 years of snowflake garbage parenting. He is the guy that makes the rest of us wish the tree-line was still a thing. I did understand the point of MTG, and Buckshot did a good job of summarizing exactly what it means. The biggest problem with it is the way it's interpreted by most enlisted leadership, and the reason they have E-3's read it. You're right, there was a leadership problem. When I was an E-3 my leadership set the example of exactly how NOT to be. That's what made it so frustrating. I understood MTG, but my Sgts did not. Shortly after our paths split, they either got demoted or kicked out. I hope you don't think I meant any disrespect towards you or something you hold dear, I did come off that way, so for that I apologize. You gleaned something great from it and I won't rag on it anymore. Then you got screwed over and I hate that for you. My Marine Corps experience was great. I had great leadership and they helped me both during and after my time there. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 7:46:06 PM EDT
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Nobody ever reads the companion book to MTG. It's called "Don't Bitch About How Rowan Gets The Message Delivered".
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:09:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody ever reads the companion book to MTG. It's called "Don't Bitch About How Rowan Gets The Message Delivered". |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When I was a Lance Coconut I had so many higher ups make me read that book(pamphlet) and write a report on it that I fvcking saved one on Google drive so I could just copy it, paste it, and print it out wherever I was. What a waste of time. Junior guys should read "Muddy Boots Leadership" instead. Then you missed the point. No, no I didn't. I don't want to derail this thread too badly but most higher ups have junior guys read that book because they want robots, not critical thinkers. The point of that book is extremely simple... I read it, understood it, and then realized that most of the guys who were making me read it probably didnt have the reading comprehension skills to understand anything else that was on the Commandants reading list. They couldnt even read MCO P1020.34G correctly, much less a book. Have you ever read "Muddy Boots Leadership"? - That should be required reading instead of a glorified childrens book. See, you did miss the point. The point of a letter to Garcia is that Rowan was a critical thinker and capable and willing to act independently, without instruction. He was asked to get a letter to Garcia and he just grabbed the letter and got it done. That is not what robots do. Robots must have every action programmed by the leader. I have read almost every word written by military minds that I have ever seen, from Marcus Aurelius to Sun Tzu and all the stuff in between. You are right in the that the book is simple. It simply asks workers to be smart, independent and capable of action without having to be told every move to make. I'm sorry you missed it. Excellent! When rhey ask,other guys to go help out at another location they get 1. What is so and so who should be working,late over there doing ? 2. What do I need to do when I get over there 3. Do you think I'll get out on time? 4.who went last time ? 5. What's the policy on us going over there ? Etc etc etc. I got a text Friday asking if I minded going over to the other place. I replied " why are you asking me ? It's nice but I've told y'all before , send me where most needed " The non-whining, jump to it approach makes you standout Years of doing that and I make about 47k more a year than the guy I report to. I did well before Marine-Ordie wished me up but I've done exceptional afterwards. I'm just lucky the big guy notices. One lower level leader was trying to push me out to make room for one of her buddies But didn't work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 8:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA unrelated to A Message to Garcia. Read No Victor no Vanquished. Outstanding book about the Arab Israeli war. A few sticks on their way to,you Nothing fancy They are hand rolled by a Cuban though They are the house cigars the guy rolls at the local cigar place Noel Rojas of Guayacan cigars sits there rolling. Renegade Cigars, Richardson, Texas |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 11:20:35 PM EDT
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Nobody ever reads the companion book to MTG. It's called "Don't Bitch About How Rowan Gets The Message Delivered". Haha so true.. I think I remember a chapter in there called "We can never ever ever tell LT how you actually accomplished this but awesome job" 
My old senior Lances could make some crazy things happen in country. I often told them that never speaking of the details was probably the most prudent course of action though. |
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Posted: 8/28/2016 11:41:09 PM EDT
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Gees, the only required reading when I was in the Marine Corps were Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler magazine. My, how times have changed.
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Posted: 8/29/2016 9:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gees, the only required reading when I was in the Marine Corps were Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler magazine. My, how times have changed. |
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