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Posted: 8/20/2016 7:57:09 AM EDT
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Maybe a fire mission is in order if they do not do right by you?
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:15:48 AM EDT
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Evidence is plain.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:17:39 AM EDT
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Wow. Very interesting.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:21:29 AM EDT
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Wow that's awesome how they sectioned the barrel . How the hell do you do that. I bet they did that with a milling machine... That would be my first guess, too. However I don't see any tool marks so they may have used an EDM wire machine. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:40:38 AM EDT
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Federal will get more than the cost of the gun in negative press from this .
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:51:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: how the heck does that even happen. wow.  I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:54:44 AM EDT
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Hat tip to BCM for taking care off business.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:56:45 AM EDT
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Hat tip to BCM for taking care off business. Yep good customer service. Hey op, is BCM sending you back the pieces? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 8:57:21 AM EDT
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Damn.
So Federal M193 is just about all I've stocked for my Colt M4. Like thousands of rounds with only a handful of other types in the safe. I was told it was a good all-around round to use, so that's what I've been buying. Is this a fluke thing, or should I be buying a different type from here on? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:00:12 AM EDT
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Good luck hand loading for that 10/22 ! ! ! 
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Color me shocked for it being an Ammo issue.... Just like every other time this has happened. If you can't trust factory, then fucking handloads on a gun you cherish is the only way to go. Shame, I was partial to federal cause they had ammo that shot great out of my 10/22 and browning 30-06 Good luck hand loading for that 10/22 ! ! !
Here you go: http://22lrreloader.com/design-details/ I've always liked Fed(except for .223, there is better stuff out there for less money)and I suppose since they are probably the largest ammo manufacturer in the States there are going to be more problems. But that still doesn't excuse Fed from not replacing a gun that was destroyed from a faulty round. If they don't own up to this then when my current Fed stock is used up I might ditch them altogether. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:07:17 AM EDT
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Damn. So Federal M193 is just about all I've stocked for my Colt M4. Like thousands of rounds with only a handful of other types in the safe. I was told it was a good all-around round to use, so that's what I've been buying. Is this a fluke thing, or should I be buying a different type from here on? XM193 (should) be of better quality of the commercial federal 223 ammo OP was using. It's a bit worrisome how Ferderal has handled it so far though. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:10:42 AM EDT
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I think even a primer would knock a bullet farther down the barrel than that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:10:49 AM EDT
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Bcg offer to replace it or wait for federal?
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:15:24 AM EDT
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I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out If it was a squib, how did the 1st round (which was stuck, ostensibly before the gas port) allow the rifle to cycle the next round in? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:17:25 AM EDT
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Wow that's awesome how they sectioned the barrel . How the hell do you do that. 
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:21:57 AM EDT
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I've got about just under half a case of Federal American Eagle 223 that I'm afraid to take out of the package.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:24:13 AM EDT
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If it was a squib, how did the 1st round (which was stuck, ostensibly before the gas port) allow the rifle to cycle the next round in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out If it was a squib, how did the 1st round (which was stuck, ostensibly before the gas port) allow the rifle to cycle the next round in? Good point. OP, thanks for following back up with the forum. Cool pics. Go BCM! Let us know what Federal says now. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:25:07 AM EDT
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Awe hell,... I missed the original thread. I just received 2k of Federal XM193 yesterday.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:32:35 AM EDT
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That looks like what can happen when you make dum dums out of FMJ rounds.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:35:17 AM EDT
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Tagged for further updates.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:36:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. I am not responsible when you can't rod the bullet out of your barrel. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:36:36 AM EDT
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boy o boy. I'm going to work real hard to not buy federal fmj ammo. Although I love me some Fusion.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:37:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:40:51 AM EDT
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Tell that to Brandon Lee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. You got a good contact number for him? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:48:15 AM EDT
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You got a good contact number for him? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. You got a good contact number for him? 
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:48:32 AM EDT
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A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. If a blank 5.56 with just a few grains of powder can cycle the bolt, I would assume that it would have enough presssure to at least make the bullet clear the muzzle. I'm just guessing that though. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are pretty cool pics. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:56:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You got a good contact number for him? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A primer won't knock a bullet down the bore at all. You got a good contact number for him? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:57:34 AM EDT
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Awesome job bcm. Good luck op. +1 |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:57:50 AM EDT
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I think even a primer would knock a bullet farther down the barrel than that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out A small pistol primer will send a jacketed 45acp about 2 inches down a barrel, so I suspect you are right. The pic clearly shows what bcm says, that a core seperatedo. I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing how another round chambers full in that barrel though. The bullet setback would be enormous. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:57:51 AM EDT
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Tag for updates. Good luck OP.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 9:58:51 AM EDT
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Those are pretty cool pics. This. Glad you are ok. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:04:08 AM EDT
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I've got about just under half a case of Federal American Eagle 223 that I'm afraid to take out of the package. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awe hell,... I missed the original thread. I just received 2k of Federal XM193 yesterday.
The odds of it happening again have got to be greater then a million to one, op is just lucky. Federal did screw the pooch with their customer service but their ammo has a low failure rate. If you're still cocerned please send it to me for proper disposal. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:05:47 AM EDT
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The odds of it happening again have got to be greater then a million to one, op is just lucky. Federal did screw the pooch with their customer service but their ammo has a low failure rate. If you're still cocerned please send it to me for proper disposal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Awe hell,... I missed the original thread. I just received 2k of Federal XM193 yesterday.
The odds of it happening again have got to be greater then a million to one, op is just lucky. Federal did screw the pooch with their customer service but their ammo has a low failure rate. If you're still cocerned please send it to me for proper disposal. That federal ammo will be consumed by my ugly beater AR only. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:08:48 AM EDT
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Federal XM193 is pretty much all I've got squirreled away other than a couple of boxes of other stuff I bought just to check out.
Now I B skeert.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:11:37 AM EDT
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Awe hell,... I missed the original thread. I just received 2k of Federal XM193 yesterday.
Send it to me I will shoot it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:11:55 AM EDT
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Reading comprehension people. Federal .223 not XM193.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:14:57 AM EDT
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Reading comprehension people. Federal .223 not XM193. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Reading comprehension people. Federal .223 not XM193. Guess how I know you didn't read the original thread? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:19:14 AM EDT
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Awesome job bcm. Good luck op. Yup, kudos to BCM for being both responsive and thorough! ?? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:20:35 AM EDT
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A small pistol primer will send a jacketed 45acp about 2 inches down a barrel, so I suspect you are right. The pic clearly shows what bcm says, that a core seperatedo. I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing how another round chambers full in that barrel though. The bullet setback would be enormous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. I'm not convinced the jacket separated before the kaboom I'm wondering if it was a regular old squib and when the next round exploded it melted the lead core of the squib round and blew it out A small pistol primer will send a jacketed 45acp about 2 inches down a barrel, so I suspect you are right. The pic clearly shows what bcm says, that a core seperatedo. I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing how another round chambers full in that barrel though. The bullet setback would be enormous. I'll bet I be setback was pretty impressive, right before the kaboom. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:23:37 AM EDT
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Shit happens. Hopefully Federal will make it right.
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:24:07 AM EDT
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That's pretty wild!
ETA - Anybody who is afraid to shoot Federal through their rifles because of this, please send it to me for disposal. Seriously folks, this can happen with any manufacturer's ammo and it's extremely uncommon. It could happen with anal-retentively produced hand loads. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:25:32 AM EDT
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That chamber is in shit order
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:26:13 AM EDT
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Wow that's awesome how they sectioned the barrel . How the hell do you do that. 
Lol My guess would be Wire EDM I have no fucking clue but these two^ sound like they know what they are talking about  and this seems like a good spot to tag the thread for details.
ETA the wire EDM video was interesting; now I want a Battle Arms Development Forged Wire EDM Lower Receiver. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:26:51 AM EDT
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That chamber is in shit order He probably didn't clean it after it exploded
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:27:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guess how I know you didn't read the original thread? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Reading comprehension people. Federal .223 not XM193. Guess how I know you didn't read the original thread?  |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:28:21 AM EDT
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I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how the heck does that even happen. wow. I would love someone to explain what happened. I assume the bullet was under filled with lead, or the jacket was too thin at the nose, or too thick. Something along those lines. when the cores are squirted (sized), if all the lube used during the squirting is not cleaned off before seating in the jacket, it will separate like that. |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:28:42 AM EDT
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If you can't trust factory, then fucking handloads on a gun you cherish is the only way to go. Shame, I was partial to federal cause they had ammo that shot great out of my 10/22 and browning 30-06 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Color me shocked for it being an Ammo issue.... Just like every other time this has happened. If you can't trust factory, then fucking handloads on a gun you cherish is the only way to go. Shame, I was partial to federal cause they had ammo that shot great out of my 10/22 and browning 30-06 In this case it was apparently a poorly manufactured bullet that failed. Unless you are going to manufacture your own bullets what does it matter who seats it in the case, OKSoda or Federal or Winchester or..........................? |
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:33:30 AM EDT
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Neat
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Posted: 8/20/2016 10:34:54 AM EDT
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So blame OP for not correcting his thread. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1870920__ARCHIVED_THREAD____HOLY_CRAP__BCM_Middy_KaBoom__Federal_says_not_our_fault__pg_9__new_pics_pg_10.html&page=8#i60043851 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Reading comprehension people. Federal .223 not XM193. Guess how I know you didn't read the original thread? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1870920__ARCHIVED_THREAD____HOLY_CRAP__BCM_Middy_KaBoom__Federal_says_not_our_fault__pg_9__new_pics_pg_10.html&page=8#i60043851 You're right - I stand corrected! And I blame OP for making me look like a retard 
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