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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:28:44 AM EDT
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exactly.. Same with gun control. "90% of Americans support gun control" etc. Its bullshit used to manipulate people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rush had a good point on this last week: Polls these days are used, not just to inform where the publics opinion lies, but also to shape the publics opinion. Dems use this info to sway uneducated voters. "See, all your peers are voting this way. You should too." exactly.. Same with gun control. "90% of Americans support gun control" etc. Its bullshit used to manipulate people. It's a tactic called ' Controlling the Narrative '. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:29:44 AM EDT
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If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. And you'll still be up on the rooftops crowing the Trump negativity with a Hillary dildo up your ass. Is it any wonder that appears to be a comfortable feeling for you?  Quisling.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:31:05 AM EDT
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The fact is that liberal, left-leaning media outlets conduct what are referred to as "push polls" where they construct the questions in such a way as to favor the position they want. There are very few "independent" polls and virtually all of those are showing Trump with a statistically significant lead. It's not going to be a cakewalk by any stretch. There is the Dimocrat machine, the leftist media, the super-pacs, and, most importantly, the GOPe all wanting Trump to lose.
In both 2008 and 2012, the independent polls were showing the races as very close. So, it's not a huge surprise that Ocommie won. There was also the issue of rampant voter fraud which, while discovered, was not acted upon since there's no facility in the Constitution for dealing with it. So, look for that to also work against Trump since there were no consequences for it last two times. I do have this nagging feeling that there is so much animosity towards the "establishment", crony capitalism, and corruption, particularly of the FHRC variety, that Trump will cause a large number of people who heretofore have been passive bystanders in the political game to finally get off their couches and vote. I hear it in the conversations people have in all the travels I've been doing lately. I see it in the massive turnout for Trump's rallies. And, I do think the Brexit vote showed in a dramatic fashion that immigration and economic issues of the working class can, and will, result in a backlash, or, in this case, turning to the outsider to get things done. Note that if a lot of folks decide to go vote instead of sitting it out like usual, their numbers will NOT be reflected in the polls since they typically draw from people who voted in the last 1-3 election cycles. So, yes, "opinion" polls are not very good at predicting things they're not set up to predict. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:44:05 AM EDT
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Trump will lose, and he will lose by a large margin. The only thing that's still to be seen is whether it will be the biggest margin in U.S. Presidential election history.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:59:59 AM EDT
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And you'll still be up on the rooftops crowing the Trump negativity with a Hillary dildo up your ass. Is it any wonder that appears to be a comfortable feeling for you? Quisling.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. And you'll still be up on the rooftops crowing the Trump negativity with a Hillary dildo up your ass. Is it any wonder that appears to be a comfortable feeling for you? Quisling.Anyone who doesn't suck mangos dick is a Hillary supporter? Sorry, I'm not voting for either democrat. Projecting? I know how the trumpsters love their trump dildos, you are correct that Hillary is going to swap them out for one of her own. If only we nominated someone who could beat Hillary. Oh well, they'll turn them all in and graciously accept the ass fucking they deserve. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:11:37 AM EDT
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Anyone who doesn't suck mangos dick is a Hillary supporter? Sorry, I'm not voting for either democrat. Projecting? I know how the trumpsters love their trump dildos, you are correct that Hillary is going to swap them out for one of her own. If only we nominated someone who could beat Hillary. Oh well, they'll turn them all in and graciously accept the ass fucking they deserve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. And you'll still be up on the rooftops crowing the Trump negativity with a Hillary dildo up your ass. Is it any wonder that appears to be a comfortable feeling for you? Quisling.Anyone who doesn't suck mangos dick is a Hillary supporter? Sorry, I'm not voting for either democrat. Projecting? I know how the trumpsters love their trump dildos, you are correct that Hillary is going to swap them out for one of her own. If only we nominated someone who could beat Hillary. Oh well, they'll turn them all in and graciously accept the ass fucking they deserve. Yep we should have voted for Son of Mailman, he was leading the polls vs Hillary earlier this year. Your butthurt is so profound its comical. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:14:09 AM EDT
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It's funny to see so many members with the NRA icon who are not backing the candidate that the NRA is....pretty fucking retarded! If the NRA was backing "shit in a brown paper bag in 2016" it would probably be in your best intrest to vote the same way....
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:17:20 AM EDT
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Trump just needs to challenge Hillary to have Chelsea DNA tested to confirm what we all know. Lies and infidelity on both sides.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:22:34 AM EDT
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Trump just needs to challenge Hillary to have Chelsea DNA tested to confirm what we all know. Lies and infidelity on both sides. Wouldn't that be a shit show. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:28:25 AM EDT
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Trump will lose, and he will lose by a large margin. The only thing that's still to be seen is whether it will be the biggest margin in U.S. Presidential election history. Wrong! |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:45:56 AM EDT
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We need a true conservative leader.... Someone with a steady hand... Someone with the temperament to be Commander and Chief.... http://i.imgur.com/uSbrDtI.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! We need a true conservative leader.... Someone with a steady hand... Someone with the temperament to be Commander and Chief.... http://i.imgur.com/uSbrDtI.jpg Then why did you post a picture of that guy? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:47:59 AM EDT
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I have a hard time believing Hillary can beat Trump in a popularity contest. Even with the deck stacked hitler has the personality of a cpr dummy and Trump is a master salesman and marketeer. Im just having a hard time believing a guy with a reality tv show would lose in this country teeming witb vapid shallow airheads.
Btw we havent seen anything yet, the respective candidates arent even officially the candidates yet. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:41:32 AM EDT
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Then why did you post a picture of that guy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! We need a true conservative leader.... Someone with a steady hand... Someone with the temperament to be Commander and Chief.... http://i.imgur.com/uSbrDtI.jpg Then why did you post a picture of that guy? Because, it's all most worshipers at the boardroom of the Orange Messiah have - the nonsense idea that the only alternative to Trump was Jeb Bush. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:45:23 AM EDT
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Excellent. We elected an unknown black man with no experience just so we could say we had a black president. Why not elect the most corrupt woman in politics just so we can say we've had a woman president? This. She will be elected. There is no candidate, no opponent, no scandal, nothing that can touch her. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:48:03 AM EDT
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So, at this point what would you have us do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe the polls right now. Anyone who does not believe that this is an uphill battle is lying to themselves. Trump supporters have spent the entire election season lying to themselves. They've got the routine down and are hell bent to drag us all along with them. So, at this point what would you have us do? Throw the election to the dems so his failed thumper clown can "run". 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 3:57:53 AM EDT
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Trump will lose, and he will lose by a large margin. The only thing that's still to be seen is whether it will be the biggest margin in U.S. Presidential election history. It won't be as big as Reagan over Mondale but it's gonna be pretty big. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 4:01:11 AM EDT
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Don't blame me
I was a delegate/supporter of only Rand Paul.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 4:02:35 AM EDT
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Martin Armstrong has computer models that have been nearly 100% accurate for decades. Here is what he wrote about the US election: "Many comments and emails are pouring in that our model correctly forecast BREXIT years in advance. Here is the picture for the next big chaos period — the US Presidential Election in November. You can see that 3 out of 4 models show a Republican victory. Two of these show 60%+, which is unheard of. What we have just seen in BREXIT is a prelude to the US election. People are very anti-establishment, anti-immigration, and fed up with stagnant wages thanks to rising taxation." https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/brexit-one-of-four-all-showing-anti-establishment/ I pray this is correct. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 5:46:35 AM EDT
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There is no fixing it. If we dump Trump at the convention we loose by a higher margin than how bad we loose keeping Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! Yep. And if, by some miracle, Clinton loses, we have a megalomaniacal, lifetime progressive reconstituted as a populist demagogue for a president. Not exactly what I'd call a win. Still, one does what they can ... #NeverHillary |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 5:57:29 AM EDT
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The only time the polls have any meaning at all, is in the two weeks leading up to the election. Whoever is trending up at that point, almost always wins.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:16:13 AM EDT
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. So you're saying we should just vote for Hillary? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:31:02 AM EDT
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Looking back at 2012 now. 0bama was at +3 on Mitt on 6-28. 0bama ended up +3.9%, so it's not looking so hot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. Looking back at 2012 now. 0bama was at +3 on Mitt on 6-28. 0bama ended up +3.9%, so it's not looking so hot. Not a Trumpkin but he has barely started campaigning |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:54:24 AM EDT
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I pay attention to them but for the most part feel like most polls are biased for the following reasons:
Who is most likely to be sitting at home playing on their phones during work hours? Liberals, or conservatives? Who is most likely to answer unsolicited calls from anonymous people/phone numbers? Liberals, or conservatives? I know a few FSA types that can't resist answering their phones even when they know the call is from some bill collector trying to collect on their 87% interest payday loan that they're six months behind on and have no intention of paying. Personally, I almost always let all calls from unknown numbers go straight to the answering machine. I work from home a lot and can actually say I've never been involved in a political poll although I get several calls a week from "political groups", (as identified on caller ID which all go to the answering machine). |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:00:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:03:12 AM EDT
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Honestly think we have members here that would love to see Trump lose and Hillary win. I do not understand why .we got some real brilliant people here and we got some real dumb asses
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:04:20 AM EDT
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This is what happens when two Democrats are running at the same time
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:06:27 AM EDT
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Arguing about whether Trump is a Democrat or not is stupid and pointless would you rather have him or Hillary
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:10:39 AM EDT
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The GOP selected an outsider, now it must face outsider challenges. Why are we suprised? The safe money is on Hillary winning. No need to sugar coat it. This is the die we cast. Just have to play it out now The GOP? You mean, "the people voting in primaries", not the GOP. The GOP wanted fuck-all to do with Trump, and he was rammed down their throats. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:14:07 AM EDT
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They are nothing but lies....Hillary lies.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:17:56 AM EDT
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Consider the source of the OP article. The Cato Institute is a libertarian think tank. They would naturally prefer someone other than Trump to be the Republican nominee. This is all part of the desperate push to replace him at the convention.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:22:13 AM EDT
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Trump supporters have spent the entire election season lying to themselves. They've got the routine down and are hell bent to drag us all along with them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe the polls right now. Anyone who does not believe that this is an uphill battle is lying to themselves. Trump supporters have spent the entire election season lying to themselves. They've got the routine down and are hell bent to drag us all along with them. Trump appreciates your support. TRUMP 2016 |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:29:27 AM EDT
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I see you're still using Alinsky's rules for radicals: "If you keep repeating a lie it will eventually become the truth." Glenn Beck is smiling down at you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We've been pointing out how the media has been crooked since the Tet Offensive, but their polls have got to be spot on. Why did Republicans let the media pick their candidate? I see you're still using Alinsky's rules for radicals: "If you keep repeating a lie it will eventually become the truth." Glenn Beck is smiling down at you. Lol 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:31:24 AM EDT
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No. Romney was loser because he was a rino & would not attack only play defense. That is the difference with this election. THe Republican Party has not had enough balls to fight. The last time the RNC fought was 1984 when Dukakis rode a tank. Since then the DNC has dictated the news cycle and the narrative. Trump is driving the news cycle (and I don't agree with him - I was a Cruz guy) and that is why people are all panties in a bind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. Dukakis was a Democrat. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:37:08 AM EDT
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Hillary will be President. She will be President, appoint two more Supreme Court Justices, and repeal the 2nd amendment. Get ready people.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:39:43 AM EDT
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Polls and public opinion changes like the tide. I will vote my way regardless.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 7:51:14 AM EDT
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It's funny to see so many members with the NRA icon who are not backing the candidate that the NRA is....pretty fucking retarded! If the NRA was backing "shit in a brown paper bag in 2016" it would probably be in your best intrest to vote the same way.... 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:03:29 AM EDT
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None of the Republican candidates had a snowball's chance of winning anyway. There will never be another Republican president for the lifetime of this country. From here on out, it is hegemonic control. Mark my words. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. None of the Republican candidates had a snowball's chance of winning anyway. There will never be another Republican president for the lifetime of this country. From here on out, it is hegemonic control. Mark my words. I expect most primary Trump supporters will make that claim to make themselves feel better this November. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:12:38 AM EDT
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What ticket do you think the puppet masters can cobble together that won't leave the Trumpsters sitting at home in a huff and the Evil Bitch swilling champagne and fondling Huma? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! What ticket do you think the puppet masters can cobble together that won't leave the Trumpsters sitting at home in a huff and the Evil Bitch swilling champagne and fondling Huma? There's that, and there's the fact that even if EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE VOTED AGAINST TRUMP, WE WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED THE RESULTS OF THE CAMPAIGN BY ANY STATISTICALLY RELEVANT AMOUNT. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:24:16 AM EDT
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I've been saying this for a while, there are just more Democrats than Republicans.
For Trump supporters, this is a tempting narrative to believe. But this simply isn’t so. The fact is there just are more Democrats out there than Republicans, and this has largely been the case at least since the New Deal. That obviously doesn’t mean Democrats always win, but it’s unwise to assume a pollster is biased because its sample included more Democrats than Republicans. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:29:58 AM EDT
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Romney in a LandSLIDE I tell you!
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:33:52 AM EDT
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. And 8 years ago. Figured it was a 1 in a million shot he would win. Then the second election after the failure of his first 4 years and him basically saying he was cool with stepping down, being a 1 term president, etc... I figure 1 in a trillion he wins. I figure were pretty much f**ked and Hillary has it. Will I vote? yeah for sure, but already planning on a Dem win at this point. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:39:12 AM EDT
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I am sick and tired of this defeatism shit. The odds are quite obviously not in our favor, but still go out and vote. We still have a chance. This. One of the strongest messages to send is the percentage vote. Let alone a popular vote win for trump if he should lose electorally. It would be embarrassing and prove she has no mandate. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:39:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:46:33 AM EDT
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People who are going to write about polls should at least learn enough about the electoral system to know that they should write about those polls which might tell us something about the state of play: Polls taken is states where the outcome of the election will be decided.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:14:44 AM EDT
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. This. And if you thought the "hanging chads" bullshit was bad years ago, this election is going to be the ugliest we have ever seen. Unless of course the Republican Party just completely rolls over and gives its support to Hillary. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:17:18 AM EDT
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An election is like baseball.
I don't start getting concerned until after the All Star break and this election year I won't start getting concerned until after September. Polls from the networks, CNN and MSNBC are always left leaning. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:20:15 AM EDT
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. And 8 years ago. Figured it was a 1 in a million shot he would win. Then the second election after the failure of his first 4 years and him basically saying he was cool with stepping down, being a 1 term president, etc... I figure 1 in a trillion he wins. I figure were pretty much f**ked and Hillary has it. Will I vote? yeah for sure, but already planning on a Dem win at this point. 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:26:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. And 8 years ago. Figured it was a 1 in a million shot he would win. Then the second election after the failure of his first 4 years and him basically saying he was cool with stepping down, being a 1 term president, etc... I figure 1 in a trillion he wins. I figure were pretty much f**ked and Hillary has it. Will I vote? yeah for sure, but already planning on a Dem win at this point. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/5e/a9/01/5ea9017bbc34bdaffd7c4fcc8ce3e4c0.jpg  |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:41:54 AM EDT
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Va will vote for cankles, unfortunately.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:49:12 AM EDT
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I predicted back in 2008 that Hillary Cuntlicker was going to be elected POTUS in 2016.
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