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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:49:47 PM EDT
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It ain't over til it's over. This early in the election cycle the polls are very inaccurate and used to shape public opinion. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:49:59 PM EDT
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nope, created to gauge public opinion, or so Naamah told me in bed one night  Not letting this one go... Humble brag? 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:50:10 PM EDT
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Shit, got me there.  Either way. There is so much BS this election I don't think we can trust much. The big thing I am worried about is the DNC get out the vote effort where everyone living and dead votes early and often. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. Either way. There is so much BS this election I don't think we can trust much. The big thing I am worried about is the DNC get out the vote effort where everyone living and dead votes early and often. The big worry should be Trump's *lack* of GOTV operation Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:50:26 PM EDT
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So, at this point what would you have us do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe the polls right now. Anyone who does not believe that this is an uphill battle is lying to themselves. Trump supporters have spent the entire election season lying to themselves. They've got the routine down and are hell bent to drag us all along with them. So, at this point what would you have us do? http://www.freethedelegates2016.com/ |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:51:01 PM EDT
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Trump is currently polling within the margin of error in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Hillary cannot win the presidency if she loses those states. I agree that if the election were held next week Hillary would probably win. However, it would not be a landslide -- Bill couldn't win a majority of the popular vote, even as an incumbent -- and Trump would do a lot better than the polls show he would. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. Trump is currently polling within the margin of error in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Hillary cannot win the presidency if she loses those states. I agree that if the election were held next week Hillary would probably win. However, it would not be a landslide -- Bill couldn't win a majority of the popular vote, even as an incumbent -- and Trump would do a lot better than the polls show he would. Not sure what your logic is. 'Within the margin of error' means she wins half of those states if not more. Plus she has CA and NY. HRC wins easily. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:51:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The big worry should be Trumps *lack* of GOTV operation Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Either way. There is so much BS this election I don't think we can trust much. The big thing I am worried about is the DNC get out the vote effort where everyone living and dead votes early and often. The big worry should be Trumps *lack* of GOTV operation Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This is Trump's Achilles' Heel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:52:11 PM EDT
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She's going to win. Prepare.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:52:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:54:07 PM EDT
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Cool. What are you gonna do about it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? Watch as 2A gets hammered away by the Supreme court. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:54:33 PM EDT
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There is no fixing it. If we dump Trump at the convention we loose by a higher margin than how bad we loose keeping Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! If we lose either way, is it not better to protect the down-ballot? Trump is down-ballot poison. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure what your logic is. 'Within the margin of error' means she wins half of those states if not more. Plus she has CA and NY. HRC wins easily. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. Trump is currently polling within the margin of error in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Hillary cannot win the presidency if she loses those states. I agree that if the election were held next week Hillary would probably win. However, it would not be a landslide -- Bill couldn't win a majority of the popular vote, even as an incumbent -- and Trump would do a lot better than the polls show he would. Not sure what your logic is. 'Within the margin of error' means she wins half of those states if not more. Plus she has CA and NY. HRC wins easily. The logic is that Obama carried all 5 of those states easily in 2008 and 2012. If Hillary loses 3 of 5 of those states this fall -- especially PA or MI -- then she's in serious trouble. The fact Trump is polling so close to her in states that should be in her pocket is a big reason to not jump to conclusions about who will win this November. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no fixing it. If we dump Trump at the convention we loose by a higher margin than how bad we loose keeping Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! This. If the Republican Party alienates Trump voters, then they will never win another presidential election. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:57:21 PM EDT
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Can we at least wait until we have at least one debate between the candidates before we call the election? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I believe the polls right now. Anyone who does not believe that this is an uphill battle is lying to themselves. Can we at least wait until we have at least one debate between the candidates before we call the election? Debates don't change anything anymore. Clinton is going to win this election and that was pretty much the case from the minute Trump won the nomination. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:57:47 PM EDT
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The logic is that Obama carried all 5 of those states easily in 2008 and 2012. If Hillary loses 3 of 5 of those states this fall -- especially PA or MI -- then she's in serious trouble. The fact Trump is polling so close to her in states that should be in her pocket is a big reason to not jump to conclusions about who will win this November. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. Trump is currently polling within the margin of error in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Hillary cannot win the presidency if she loses those states. I agree that if the election were held next week Hillary would probably win. However, it would not be a landslide -- Bill couldn't win a majority of the popular vote, even as an incumbent -- and Trump would do a lot better than the polls show he would. Not sure what your logic is. 'Within the margin of error' means she wins half of those states if not more. Plus she has CA and NY. HRC wins easily. The logic is that Obama carried all 5 of those states easily in 2008 and 2012. If Hillary loses 3 of 5 of those states this fall -- especially PA or MI -- then she's in serious trouble. The fact Trump is polling so close to her in states that should be in her pocket is a big reason to not jump to conclusions about who will win this November. Trump is gearing up to lose states that he shouldn't be. Arizona? Within single digits in Texas and Utah? 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:58:42 PM EDT
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1: Completely corrupt media.
2: Polls are used to shape public opinion. 3: Low info voters want to vote for the winner no matter what. (See #2). 4: America will get what it deserves. (Probably 8 more years of a socialist elitist multicultural PC shit show that will turn the whole fucking world into kosovo in the 90's eventually. ) 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:59:14 PM EDT
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There is no fixing it. If we dump Trump at the convention we loose by a higher margin than how bad we loose keeping Trump. I think if that happened and Trump STFU, we'd have a chance depending on who was the nominee. But you know if that happens, Trump will moan and bitch all the way up to the general; he might even actively support Hillary, and his core supporters will follow his lead. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^ | | | This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. ^ | | | This. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:02:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:03:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is gearing up to lose states that he shouldn't be. Arizona? Within single digits in Texas and Utah? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. Trump is currently polling within the margin of error in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida. Hillary cannot win the presidency if she loses those states. I agree that if the election were held next week Hillary would probably win. However, it would not be a landslide -- Bill couldn't win a majority of the popular vote, even as an incumbent -- and Trump would do a lot better than the polls show he would. Not sure what your logic is. 'Within the margin of error' means she wins half of those states if not more. Plus she has CA and NY. HRC wins easily. The logic is that Obama carried all 5 of those states easily in 2008 and 2012. If Hillary loses 3 of 5 of those states this fall -- especially PA or MI -- then she's in serious trouble. The fact Trump is polling so close to her in states that should be in her pocket is a big reason to not jump to conclusions about who will win this November. Trump is gearing up to lose states that he shouldn't be. Arizona? Within single digits in Texas and Utah? Trump is not going to lose in Utah.  The reason it is so close here now is not because Hillary is popular -- in fact, she's barely above 30% here -- it's because people are looking seriously at Gary Johnson as an alternative. But once most people look closely at Johnson they will pull the lever for Trump simply because he truly is the least of all evils in this election. And that will happen elsewhere, too; I doubt Johnson will get more than 5% of the vote. Libertarians simply do not know how to appeal to the average voter. Especially religious conservatives. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:03:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Polls are only valid when they confirm my bias. Otherwise, Ill give a million reasons why those polls are rigged, but those other polls werent.  They fuck with them when they think it is necessary, but leave them alone when they don't. Liberals have the political game down to an art. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:04:56 PM EDT
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I am going to put on my tin foil.
Trump ran...said shit that people wanted to hear...got the nomination...and is now going to cruise into the loss.... And this was all thought off 8 years ago...between him and Hillary. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:05:09 PM EDT
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. The next President has already been decided. Voting is just an elaborate illusion of a free Republic. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:05:13 PM EDT
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Polls are mostly worthless. Up until maybe right before an election. The Briscut shows that to be untrue. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:05:26 PM EDT
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We've been pointing out how the media has been crooked since the Tet Offensive, but their polls have got to be spot on.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:05:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we lose either way, is it not better to protect the down-ballot? Trump is down-ballot poison. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! If we lose either way, is it not better to protect the down-ballot? Trump is down-ballot poison. I'm no Trump fan, I think we're going to loose. I think dropping Trump at this point will only lead to a bigger loss across the board. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excellent. We elected an unknown black man with no experience just so we could say we had a black president. Why not elect the most corrupt woman in politics just so we can say we've had a woman president? This pretty much sums it up. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:08:35 PM EDT
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The Briscut shows that to be untrue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Polls are mostly worthless. Up until maybe right before an election. The Briscut shows that to be untrue. The polls during the Primary weren't worthless, cause they showed Trump winning.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:09:04 PM EDT
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Honestly, dropping Trump will do just as much damage to the down-ballot. We're really screwed this election cycle. I'm no Trump fan, I think we're going to loose. I think dropping Trump at this point will only lead to a bigger loss across the board. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Something the ignorant don't realize is that polling companies have a serious financial interest in being accurate. If they screw up these widely publicized polls, they lose all credibility, and lots of future business. It'll probably be January before the Trumpists finally admit they screwed up in supporting the Orange Con Man from New York. We can still fix this at the convention, if people wake up in time. Free the delegates! If we lose either way, is it not better to protect the down-ballot? Trump is down-ballot poison. I'm no Trump fan, I think we're going to loose. I think dropping Trump at this point will only lead to a bigger loss across the board. I don't see how that happens. Down-ballots with Trump are going to get associated with him and his antics. Rather than get their message out they are going to be asked about Trump constantly. It's already happening. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:12:37 PM EDT
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I believe the polls right now. Anyone who does not believe that this is an uphill battle is lying to themselves. Can we at least wait until we have at least one debate between the candidates before we call the election? This is GD, not CNN. Sheesh. Reading comprehension? I haven't called the election, and neither have the pollsters. Can you face facts without living in denial? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:13:14 PM EDT
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Excellent. We elected an unknown black man with no experience just so we could say we had a black president. Why not elect the most corrupt woman in politics just so we can say we've had a woman president? Maybe we are actually electing a true crook and it's time we allowed a criminal to come out of the shadows and become president |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:18:23 PM EDT
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"See, all your peers are voting this way. You should too." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rush had a good point on this last week: Polls these days are used, not just to inform where the publics opinion lies, but also to shape the publics opinion. Dems use this info to sway uneducated voters. "See, all your peers are voting this way. You should too." More like stupid people wanting to say they voted for the winner. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:21:28 PM EDT
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Cool. What are you gonna do about it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:23:59 PM EDT
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We've been pointing out how the media has been crooked since the Tet Offensive, but their polls have got to be spot on. Why did Republicans let the media pick their candidate? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:30:10 PM EDT
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The real action starts after the conventions (and riots)
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She's going to win. Prepare. She's spending $90M ad campaign and Trump isn't |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:33:51 PM EDT
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People shouldn't be overly concerned about poll numbers, they should be more concerned over the trending numbers. (Is the gap widening or closing?) That's more telling than the numbers.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:35:36 PM EDT
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If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. It'll be interesting to see what happens. The notable ones will probably either leave the site, or they're just going to blame Cruz supporters. Their retardation sure fucked this county over. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:36:29 PM EDT
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I'm hoping for Anonymous to release some of Hillary's emails that could sink her campaign.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:42:10 PM EDT
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It'll be interesting to see what happens. The notable ones will probably either leave the site, or they're just going to blame Cruz supporters. Their retardation sure fucked this county over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we lose the general, you are part of the reason why. Cool. What are you gonna do about it? If Trump loses, There will be a diaspora of the Trump primary tards. If they don't leave the site, they'll at least go into hiding. There's a thread with over 200 pages of material to work with in tearing these people a new asshole, in addition to all the other primary threads. It'll be interesting to see what happens. The notable ones will probably either leave the site, or they're just going to blame Cruz supporters. Their retardation sure fucked this county over. It felt so good tho. He said there was going to be a big beautiful wall. And no more Muzzies. And no more jobs going to Mexico and Chi-nya. Did you are that time he called out that Marxist bitch Elizabeth Warren on Twitter and called her Pocahontas. Lol, that was awesome. Totally worth nominating him just for that. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:42:54 PM EDT
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Seems like that's how we ended up with Trump. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Rush had a good point on this last week: Polls these days are used, not just to inform where the publics opinion lies, but also to shape the publics opinion. Dems use this info to sway uneducated voters. "See, all your peers are voting this way. You should too." Seems like that's how we ended up with Trump. We ended up with Trump despite this.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:53:18 PM EDT
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I lie to pollsters often, for fun. Don't believe the polls.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:57:38 PM EDT
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I've not once been polled. Hard to believe.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:57:47 PM EDT
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lol, polls? They matter even less than votes. All that matters is who counts the votes, and considering that Trump's campaign is pretty much a gaggle, it's going to wind up being DNC operatives / lawyers at every single polling place in the main that give Hillary the win, regardless of vote counts. There's always more ballots in the trunk of a near by car...
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:57:52 PM EDT
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However, as we saw in the pre-Brexit polls the real question is "are the polls accurately reflecting what the voters are thinking"? I personally think 3-5% of the "undecided/Hillary" voters are actually leaning Trump but don't want to say it because they are afraid to admit it. This is a very large factor in some places. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:59:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what they said four years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:06:39 AM EDT
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We've been pointing out how the media has been crooked since the Tet Offensive, but their polls have got to be spot on. Why did Republicans let the media pick their candidate? I see you're still using Alinsky's rules for radicals: "If you keep repeating a lie it will eventually become the truth." Glenn Beck is smiling down at you. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:08:56 AM EDT
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Polls are always at least within the margin of error skewed to the left. Given how corrupt the media outlets are on each side their is no "independent" polls without trying to push an agenda. The only data I will believe will be posted around Thanksgiving this year after all the lawsuits and voter fraud cases settle. The shit show is in full effect and I don't think for a minute the "voters" have any influence any more. "Romney in a landslide!" The denial here can be pretty incredible. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:19:42 AM EDT
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You people who don't believe these polls, were you old enough to pay attention in 2012 and 2008? Barring some major turn of events, Trump is going to get slaughtered. None of the Republican candidates had a snowball's chance of winning anyway. There will never be another Republican president for the lifetime of this country. From here on out, it is hegemonic control. Mark my words. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:23:06 AM EDT
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I am sick of hearing the argument voting for Trump is the better alternative than Hillary. Both candidates have liberal agendas on the free market and want to impose tariffs which will economically damage our country. Instead of Tariffs why not lower taxes. Also as I predicted once Trump thinks he has the nomination he will reverse every single issue he has proposed and he has done this with the Muslim ban the wall. He now says those issues were just suggestions. One good thing Trump isn't the nominee.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:24:09 AM EDT
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Rush had a good point on this last week: Polls these days are used, not just to inform where the publics opinion lies, but also to shape the publics opinion. Dems use this info to sway uneducated voters. "See, all your peers are voting this way. You should too." exactly.. Same with gun control. "90% of Americans support gun control" etc. Its bullshit used to manipulate people. |
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