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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:05:18 PM EDT
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Friend or family? I would call in an air strike. Random Arfcom member? I would wait for the dust to settle and hope he gets a new house, free retirement, and new guns from the lawsuit.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:05:50 PM EDT
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This person needs credibility first. This. His he going to trick me into shooting a bunch of good men? For my good friends, I may go render help. There are people in this world who if they told me to start some chaos, I would. For a random stranger online? I don't think I would. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:05:58 PM EDT
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Offer to sell him some .22 at triple the price or offer to buy all of his .22 ammo at 1/3 cost.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:07:13 PM EDT
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I had my toe tag put on in the first wave. Lol
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:08:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hypothetical is lacking ingredients. What are the outside forces in play? Where is political discourse ATM? Who is it calling for help-- can he be independently vetted? (IE: can a quick google search credibly show he's not a dealer or skinhead/snackbar activist?) Once you fo, you've fo'ed, and there's little chance of going back to prefo. Better be sure. If this is an (dah dah DAHHHHH!) Isolated incident with no buildup or foreshadowing, then I'd watch closely and maybe unlock the safe. If this is happening amidst the general uproar of a simultaneous campaign of grabbery and asshattery by the pols and media... If there were bills active... if the media was in frenzy... In short, if this were a credible event, I'd deeply consider fo'ing. At the very least, I'd be considering showing up with a camera and telephoto to document actors. Remember, the best time to untie the jackboot isn't when they're massed, armed, and frenzied --- it's when they're at the local boozery later, relaxed, half in the bag, and congratulating themselves on what wonderful bootprints they put on the prole's neck.. To answer, Same basic political climate screams for gun control. For sake of example, Since it is my example, This individual gives a photograph of his drivers license to the thread. and his location is in an area that is under some type of calamity that has given the powers at be the excuse to up the anti, much like Katrina, save that you can; at least temporarily; freely ingress and egress (think, no physical nature based barrier to your rendering aid) As for your last statement. How exactly has that gone with Hillary... |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's either fraud w/ nothing going on, fraud where he's a criminal and trying to get help, fraud where they're trying to get people to come to his assistance to find "enemies of the state", or a death trap. I don't see where any of those call for my help. Stay out of it and watch what happens. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A thread appears on GD and is copy/pasted to every subsection. This thread is by a member who is in his own dwelling, asking for help... no begging for help. Pictures are posted from supposedly his security system showing uniformed armed men outside his door. A live stream link is posted allegedly by the same individual, from his phone/device, propped up somewhere, you can hear the exchanges as the "officers" demand entry claiming they are there to confiscate firearms and will use force if necessary... This individual is local to you, inside lets say a city sized area or in a nearby city. His claimed location is an area. (eta: he posts an actual address that appear to check out) what would you do... It's either fraud w/ nothing going on, fraud where he's a criminal and trying to get help, fraud where they're trying to get people to come to his assistance to find "enemies of the state", or a death trap. I don't see where any of those call for my help. Stay out of it and watch what happens. *knock* *knock* "This is the FBI, We have Records of you filing multiple 4473 forms And have reason to believe Firearms on the property. Open the Door or it will be Opened by force" |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't tell anyone on an open forum monitored by law enforcement what I would do. OPSEC bro. So far, The responses are going as expected. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:24:50 PM EDT
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ok, that's your decision. You wake up the next morning, get your cup of coffee, turn on the TV to the news story that Several individuals Were arrested/killed by authorities in what is being called a "widespread sting operation". You shrug, sit down to breakfast with the kids and.. *knock* *knock* "This is the FBI, We have Records of you filing multiple 4473 forms And have reason to believe Firearms on the property. Open the Door or it will be Opened by force" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A thread appears on GD and is copy/pasted to every subsection. This thread is by a member who is in his own dwelling, asking for help... no begging for help. Pictures are posted from supposedly his security system showing uniformed armed men outside his door. A live stream link is posted allegedly by the same individual, from his phone/device, propped up somewhere, you can hear the exchanges as the "officers" demand entry claiming they are there to confiscate firearms and will use force if necessary... This individual is local to you, inside lets say a city sized area or in a nearby city. His claimed location is an area. (eta: he posts an actual address that appear to check out) what would you do... It's either fraud w/ nothing going on, fraud where he's a criminal and trying to get help, fraud where they're trying to get people to come to his assistance to find "enemies of the state", or a death trap. I don't see where any of those call for my help. Stay out of it and watch what happens. *knock* *knock* "This is the FBI, We have Records of you filing multiple 4473 forms And have reason to believe Firearms on the property. Open the Door or it will be Opened by force" Honestly it's not going to end well for the first people if something like that happens. They're toast, and there's little we can do to help them. There's no benefit in being a dead martyr fighting an unwinnable fight against a prepared enemy. Might as well just take all my clothes off, pour cooking oil all over myself, then start laughing hysterically and run out the door. 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:25:53 PM EDT
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Fuck it . . . I'm tired of waiting . . . I'm in ! ! !
Let's roll ! ! ! 
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:26:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly it's not going to end well for the first people if something like that happens. They're toast, and there's little we can do to help them. There's no benefit in being a dead martyr fighting an unwinnable fight against a prepared enemy. Might as well just take all my clothes off, pour cooking oil all over myself, then start laughing hysterically and run out the door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: A thread appears on GD and is copy/pasted to every subsection. This thread is by a member who is in his own dwelling, asking for help... no begging for help. Pictures are posted from supposedly his security system showing uniformed armed men outside his door. A live stream link is posted allegedly by the same individual, from his phone/device, propped up somewhere, you can hear the exchanges as the "officers" demand entry claiming they are there to confiscate firearms and will use force if necessary... This individual is local to you, inside lets say a city sized area or in a nearby city. His claimed location is an area. (eta: he posts an actual address that appear to check out) what would you do... It's either fraud w/ nothing going on, fraud where he's a criminal and trying to get help, fraud where they're trying to get people to come to his assistance to find "enemies of the state", or a death trap. I don't see where any of those call for my help. Stay out of it and watch what happens. *knock* *knock* "This is the FBI, We have Records of you filing multiple 4473 forms And have reason to believe Firearms on the property. Open the Door or it will be Opened by force" Honestly it's not going to end well for the first people if something like that happens. They're toast, and there's little we can do to help them. There's no benefit in being a dead martyr fighting an unwinnable fight against a prepared enemy. Might as well just take all my clothes off, pour cooking oil all over myself, then start laughing hysterically and run out the door. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:26:47 PM EDT
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These are excellent questions, thank you. To answer, Same basic political climate screams for gun control. For sake of example, Since it is my example, This individual gives a photograph of his drivers license to the thread. and his location is in an area that is under some type of calamity that has given the powers at be the excuse to up the anti, much like Katrina, save that you can; at least temporarily; freely ingress and egress (think, no physical nature based barrier to your rendering aid) As for your last statement. How exactly has that gone with Hillary... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hypothetical is lacking ingredients. What are the outside forces in play? Where is political discourse ATM? Who is it calling for help-- can he be independently vetted? (IE: can a quick google search credibly show he's not a dealer or skinhead/snackbar activist?) Once you fo, you've fo'ed, and there's little chance of going back to prefo. Better be sure. If this is an (dah dah DAHHHHH!) Isolated incident with no buildup or foreshadowing, then I'd watch closely and maybe unlock the safe. If this is happening amidst the general uproar of a simultaneous campaign of grabbery and asshattery by the pols and media... If there were bills active... if the media was in frenzy... In short, if this were a credible event, I'd deeply consider fo'ing. At the very least, I'd be considering showing up with a camera and telephoto to document actors. Remember, the best time to untie the jackboot isn't when they're massed, armed, and frenzied --- it's when they're at the local boozery later, relaxed, half in the bag, and congratulating themselves on what wonderful bootprints they put on the prole's neck.. To answer, Same basic political climate screams for gun control. For sake of example, Since it is my example, This individual gives a photograph of his drivers license to the thread. and his location is in an area that is under some type of calamity that has given the powers at be the excuse to up the anti, much like Katrina, save that you can; at least temporarily; freely ingress and egress (think, no physical nature based barrier to your rendering aid) As for your last statement. How exactly has that gone with Hillary... At this point, during a calamity ala NOLA/Katrina, if you haven't got a sacrificial smokepole to hand over, you're just dumb. Pretend to comply and cut contact short by not giving them any reason to search further. Once they find what they think they're looking for, they tend to move on. Would not fo. WOULD DL video to prevent its complete scrubbing in the event authorities realize how big a footprint they left on their own dicks. WOULD provide/upload video in defense of victim. Re: Hillary. Apple and rutabagas. WWotCA (Wicked Witch of the Chicago Area) is very high profile, surrounded by security, and we are currently not in a state of war. Also, you never want to make the cow a martyr. JBTs, on the other hand, are typically local (at least temporarily), don't have security, and are ofttimes arrogant. They're also the ones who do the actual door busting. You smite enough door busters and you're going to have a harder and harder time finding door busters. Think partisan activity. That being said, we're still not in a state of (declared) war. Once you fo, for you at least, that changes. You are then a combatant. You don't cap a room full of guys in a bar if you aren't willing, at that moment, to declare war on whatever jurisdiction those guys work for. That's why I asked those questions. My bar for declaring open war on even a despotic American government is pretty high. I'm unwilling to throw my life away for no particular gain. If I watched a guy on video and popo or whoever bashed his door down and shot him down like a dog with no provocation, and then the civic authorities decided to wash it, I'd be feeling a bit more radical. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:27:52 PM EDT
[#12]
He's probably a felon
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:30:23 PM EDT
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So, How many Die before you decide its "legit"? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A thread appears on GD and is copy/pasted to every subsection. This thread is by a member who is in his own dwelling, asking for help... no begging for help. Pictures are posted from supposedly his security system showing uniformed armed men outside his door. A live stream link is posted allegedly by the same individual, from his phone/device, propped up somewhere, you can hear the exchanges as the "officers" demand entry claiming they are there to confiscate firearms and will use force if necessary... This individual is local to you, inside lets say a city sized area or in a nearby city. His claimed location is an area. (eta: he posts an actual address that appear to check out) what would you do... It's either fraud w/ nothing going on, fraud where he's a criminal and trying to get help, fraud where they're trying to get people to come to his assistance to find "enemies of the state", or a death trap. I don't see where any of those call for my help. Stay out of it and watch what happens. *knock* *knock* "This is the FBI, We have Records of you filing multiple 4473 forms And have reason to believe Firearms on the property. Open the Door or it will be Opened by force" Honestly it's not going to end well for the first people if something like that happens. They're toast, and there's little we can do to help them. There's no benefit in being a dead martyr fighting an unwinnable fight against a prepared enemy. Might as well just take all my clothes off, pour cooking oil all over myself, then start laughing hysterically and run out the door.
That kind of talk is what I would expect from a government provocateur in a group. They would be "encouraging" others to do things which would get them in trouble. I would have to see a concerted effort that violated the Constitution and the rights of the people. I get one mountain to die on. It's not going to be trying to save the friendly neighborhood crack dealer, or showing up at an empty house (trap) set by some stranger if I can help it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:32:26 PM EDT
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This person needs credibility first. Yep |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:34:04 PM EDT
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Single event in a vacuum.. waiting for news at 11
Ongoing events in a campaign of injustice aka crystalnacht.. fo |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:34:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:35:53 PM EDT
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ask me how i know you don't know your recent history. "very real, very going to happen any day now".... Um, i don't have to wait... its already happened. all that is needed is the correct "excuses" for it to happen again Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I put this thread right up there with the way a guy at work will start explaining about how he had karate training. "All you have to do is drive the guy's nose into his brain and he'll die in an instant. My swami at Karate Kids R Us told me how to do it." Good stuff. Very real, very going to happen any day now. "very real, very going to happen any day now".... Um, i don't have to wait... its already happened. all that is needed is the correct "excuses" for it to happen again This comment is actually spot on. It's happened in the past, and human nature is nothing by consistent. Therefore, it will happen again. America and our Constitution are all that's standing between tyranny and oppression. Man's natural inclination seems to always walk towards harming his fellow man. To believe in something different, is to deny history. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:36:50 PM EDT
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If I don't know him, I'll +1 his thread and wait for updates.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:50:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:53:51 PM EDT
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Call 911? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:57:33 PM EDT
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I would hope I have the clarity of mind to come to a correct conclusion of the situation and act accordingly.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 8:59:55 PM EDT
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Is there a new TRO from his busted up ex?
Did he claim he was going to suicide? Is there a dead (or alive) hooker in his trunk? Is this a new federal standard? Did he menace with a firearm over dog shit on his lawn? Did they get the form 4473 from the records? Answers depends on why they want to empty his toy box. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:03:06 PM EDT
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What are my opinions of the poster?
That would play into it.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:05:06 PM EDT
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Will be his thread end up locked, yes or no
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:15:53 PM EDT
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what details would you need? the thread would of course be responded to occasionally, what would you need answered... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With all those details holy moly how would you know he isnt a convicted felon? what if he just killed someone. what if he just shot a cop. what if he robbed a bank. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:32:12 PM EDT
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The premise is fucking retarded. WTF are you going to do if the wolf is already at his door and about to bust it down??? It would be over before you even got up the steps from mom's basement.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:33:07 PM EDT
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I would lay in the bed and scratch my balls while hitting refresh over and over. Same as most nights.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:38:39 PM EDT
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The premise is fucking retarded. WTF are you going to do if the wolf is already at his door and about to bust it down??? It would be over before you even got up the steps from mom's basement. That was my point. There isn't a damn thing we could do. We would have no idea if the guy is a common criminal. All anyone could do is show up and die while making a bigger mess. It would be stupid to do anything about it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:50:14 PM EDT
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Is a live stream with family inside and law enforcement outside (pictorally), not just voices, and photographs depicting the same law enforcement with close ups of department badges/ect. and before you claim this is far fetched.... this is a fictional adaptation of actual events in New Orleans after Katrina  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
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This person needs credibility first. and before you claim this is far fetched.... this is a fictional adaptation of actual events in New Orleans after Katrina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
This ain't about police. It's about the gun owner's credibility. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:54:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:56:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Why, you got something coming up, OP? Trying to feel out the cavalry?
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why, you got something coming up, OP? Trying to feel out the cavalry? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile however, The reactions in this thread are why i openly laugh whenever i read "I will not comply, lets get it on" as for MYOB... read my sig lines |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:50:41 PM EDT
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Assuming it was the start of tyranny in the US and this was one aspect of it, why would I choose to initiate hostilities in a poorly planned meeting engagement on terms that favor the tyrants and that will not have effects that further my long-term goals?
Dean Wormer knew something about strategy: "Put Niedermeyer on it, he's a sneaky little shit just like you." If you choose to be an insurgent, you better also choose to be a sneaky little shit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:52:22 PM EDT
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A thread appears on GD and is copy/pasted to every subsection. This thread is by a member who is in his own dwelling, asking for help... no begging for help. Pictures are posted from supposedly his security system showing uniformed armed men outside his door. A live stream link is posted allegedly by the same individual, from his phone/device, propped up somewhere, you can hear the exchanges as the "officers" demand entry claiming they are there to confiscate firearms and will use force if necessary... This individual is local to you, inside lets say a city sized area or in a nearby city. His claimed location is an area. (eta: he posts an actual address that appear to check out) what would you do... I'd recommend a good lawyer. |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:38:32 PM EDT
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i find the responses here.. predictable
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:45:52 PM EDT
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what details would you need? the thread would of course be responded to occasionally, what would you need answered... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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With all those details holy moly Does the guy in question have a history of weird hypothetical posts? |
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Posted: 6/28/2016 11:47:02 PM EDT
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ignoring the bullshit premise...
look, if your plan in regards to confiscation of firearms is to "fight the man", the time to fight is not when "the man" has you surrounded and vastly outnumbered. 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:22:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nope. however, The reactions in this thread are why i openly laugh whenever i read "I will not comply, lets get it on" as for MYOB... read my sig lines Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why, you got something coming up, OP? Trying to feel out the cavalry? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile however, The reactions in this thread are why i openly laugh whenever i read "I will not comply, lets get it on" as for MYOB... read my sig lines lol, I'm prepared to die for my rights. But if the poster is a cockfag, I ain't lifting a finger. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:59:25 AM EDT
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Is a live stream with family inside and law enforcement outside (pictorally), not just voices, and photographs depicting the same law enforcement with close ups of department badges/ect. and before you claim this is far fetched.... this is a fictional adaptation of actual events in New Orleans after Katrina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
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This person needs credibility first. and before you claim this is far fetched.... this is a fictional adaptation of actual events in New Orleans after Katrina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4
And people here claim local law enforcement won't gun grab. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:10:08 AM EDT
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I would just say this
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:29:59 AM EDT
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What is his post count. (No pertinent information in OP.)
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Posted: 6/29/2016 10:38:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And people here claim local law enforcement won't gun grab. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This person needs credibility first. and before you claim this is far fetched.... this is a fictional adaptation of actual events in New Orleans after Katrina https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4And people here claim local law enforcement won't gun grab. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:30:37 PM EDT
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Do you honestly expect people in a public forum to announce that they would be willing to shoot law enforcement with little information other than the say-so of a hypothetical forum member? Who could be hiding circumstances that justify law enforcement's actions? In an actual scenario like this, there are few people here I know well enough to even think about helping in this situation, let alone go Leroy Jenkins for.
If this were part of a nationwide effort, with this kind of thing happening all over the place and not just an isolated incident, you might see more people willing to do something. But even then, many of them might not feel so inclined to face off with law enforcement directly. And they certainly won't be advertising their intentions online. I remember reading about some III%er guy (in New Mexico/Arizona maybe) who was asked by some fed LEO if they would be loading up to drive up and fight it out with law enforcement in a standoff in some other State. His response, was essentially, "Why should I bother going to fight guys in another State? There are plenty of you around here." If the time comes, I'm sure there are people who will respond, but they probably won't respond in the time or place you expect them to. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:37:51 PM EDT
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You don't win a conflict like this by going head to head with the juggernaut.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:41:10 PM EDT
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i find the responses here.. predictable What would YOU do? 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:00:13 PM EDT
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i find the responses here.. predictable You're a hoot. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:04:38 PM EDT
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This person needs credibility first. This |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:09:41 PM EDT
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Let's just hope it never comes to the point where democrats have successfully allowed full on door to door confiscation, as this country would be essentially done.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:19:47 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 6/29/2016 2:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's just hope it never comes to the point where democrats have successfully allowed full on door to door confiscation, as this country would be essentially done. Case in point, again, Katrina. |
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