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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:23:57 PM EDT
So I have the "want another gun itch" again and I've decided to go after a pre 1997 Taurus PT101AF. Their version of a Beretta 92FS chambered in .40 S&W and has adjustable target sights. The Pre 1997 guns have better quality during manufacturing.
 Pre-97 Gun made on original Beretta tooling.  Current Production Gun Notice the difference. I don't want a rail, finger bumps, decocker, MIM parts, and shitty slide serrations. Anyways..... I remember when you could get any Taurus PT92/100 series pistol for easily under $300 used. Now they're all $450+. Seriously.... a used Taurus pistol in a cartridge no one wants goes for over $450! Hell, then I decided to go look at used ban era ARs. Nothing fancy. Just a fixed carr handle Colt or Bushmaster carbine or rifle. I remember those were cheap since no one wanted a ban era rifle and especiallysomething with a fixed carry handle. So much for that. They're ridiculously expensive and I've now learned that a Colt SP1 rifleor Carbine is worth more if parted out than whole since all the retro builders are gutting them for period parts. Sweet Jesus..... WTF is up with folks these day? Is quality guns just nonexistent anymore and folks are buying shit from yesteryear or is it the panics over Obama's two terms have simply driven the prices all nuts like Cash for Clunkers did to the used auto market? |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:25:06 PM EDT
[#1]
You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:29:37 PM EDT
[#2]
I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:30:24 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300.   The older Taurus guns were well made on Beretta tooling by Beretta trained employees. Also I like the idea of a frame mounted safety for shits and giggles variety. The current production guns are  |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:32:35 PM EDT
[#4]
Would rather have a Beretta...
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:32:53 PM EDT
[#5]
I used to have fun trading guns and selling on several guntrader sites pre-Sandy Hook it seems.
Went full retard after that locally, it used to be I'd get good deals and pass it on to the next guy for a good deal etc..wasn't about trying to make all your money back plus profit.. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:33:07 PM EDT
[#6]
Mine was made in 88. Great quality.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:33:16 PM EDT
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Try pricing a Savage model 24.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols. Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:36:08 PM EDT
[#9]
You paid $450 for that rusted out POS?
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:36:44 PM EDT
[#10]
You need to clean out your inbox, JBT
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to have fun trading guns and selling on several guntrader sites pre-Sandy Hook it seems. Went full retard after that locally, it used to be I'd get good deals and pass it on to the next guy for a good deal etc..wasn't about trying to make all your money back plus profit.. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You paid $450 for that rusted out POS? |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:42:05 PM EDT
[#13]
people realized they were well built, so they keep em.
I picked up one of the taurus 1911's in 38 super when CDNN was dumping them for $320, because $320. Never thought it would be worth more than that (still isn't worth THAT much more  ) |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:44:19 PM EDT
[#14]
Prices are lower today than ever before. Think it's crazy now? Check back, in November.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:45:19 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You need to clean out your inbox, JBT |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a Beretta Elite II 96G Brigader. I paid $250-$300 for it a while back. http://i.imgur.com/EKQUbIN.jpg The older Taurus guns were well made on Beretta tooling by Beretta trained employees. Also I like the idea of a frame mounted safety for shits and giggles variety. The current production guns are Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300. http://i.imgur.com/EKQUbIN.jpg The older Taurus guns were well made on Beretta tooling by Beretta trained employees. Also I like the idea of a frame mounted safety for shits and giggles variety. The current production guns are |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:46:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prices are lower today than ever before. Think it's crazy now? Check back, in November. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:47:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols. Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Yep, my EDC is an early 90s PT99AF. I loved my PT92C, scored well in a lot of IDPA matches with it, but it was stolen out of my vehicle years ago. I'd go to $425 for a Beretta tooled Taurus; above that I'd look for a Gen III Smith 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:50:37 PM EDT
[#19]
yeah, insane, just don't try to sell a gun.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:52:32 PM EDT
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Want a shock? Go look at USGI 1911's and 1911A1's.
Then go look at all the older S&W revolvers that used to go for $150-$200. After that, go look at Colt revolvers and such. There is very little of the above that I bought in the past that hasn't doubled, tripled, or more in price. Had an early PT99, I have nothing but good to say about it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:57:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols. Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Back to the ARs, I bought 2 A2 20" Busmasters built in early 2000 for $1100 for the pair and just recently bought another 20" A2 Bushmaster complete upper for $425. The guy had it in the EE for weeks. All 3 rifles were like brand new no sign of wear on any of them. Deals are out there you just have to be patient and look. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 3:59:20 PM EDT
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The pre Sigma S&W semi-autos are also pretty stupidly priced these days.
When I was 16-18 I wanted a S&W 6906 but never bought one when I was 21+. Now they are 500+ |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 4:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prices are lower today than ever before. Think it's crazy now? Check back, in November. It is the Golden Age of automatic pistols. Quit yer bellyaching other dude. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Want a shock? Go look at USGI 1911's and 1911A1's. Then go look at all the older S&W revolvers that used to go for $150-$200. After that, go look at Colt revolvers and such. There is very little of the above that I bought in the past that hasn't doubled, tripled, or more in price. Had an early PT99, I have nothing but good to say about it. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:20:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, my EDC is an early 90s PT99AF. I loved my PT92C, scored well in a lot of IDPA matches with it, but it was stolen out of my vehicle years ago. I'd go to $425 for a Beretta tooled Taurus; above that I'd look for a Gen III Smith 9mm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols. Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Yep, my EDC is an early 90s PT99AF. I loved my PT92C, scored well in a lot of IDPA matches with it, but it was stolen out of my vehicle years ago. I'd go to $425 for a Beretta tooled Taurus; above that I'd look for a Gen III Smith 9mm. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:32:03 PM EDT
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I remember a handful of years ago paying $300-$400 for S&W revolvers of any caliber............NIB.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:37:15 PM EDT
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yeah, insane, just don't try to sell a gun. I put a smith 5904 on FGT a few months ago for 450 with 3 factory mags. Highest lowball offer I got was 350.. I just put it back in the safe until things pick up again. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:40:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember a handful of years ago paying $300-$400 for S&W revolvers of any caliber............NIB. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a big 3rd Gen Smith fan. Love 'em Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought only newbies buy Taurus semi auto pistols. Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) Yep, my EDC is an early 90s PT99AF. I loved my PT92C, scored well in a lot of IDPA matches with it, but it was stolen out of my vehicle years ago. I'd go to $425 for a Beretta tooled Taurus; above that I'd look for a Gen III Smith 9mm. I snagged another 5906 for $279 to go with the pair of 5906TSW last week |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 5:47:20 PM EDT
[#30]
The only weapon I ever sold was a pre 97- 9mm what a piece of
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Posted: 5/28/2016 7:37:07 PM EDT
[#31]
A local shop had them out the ass a couple years ago, some of them new/unissued Police trades.
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:01:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A local shop had them out the ass a couple years ago, some of them new/unissued Police trades. Quote HistoryQuoted: A local shop had them out the ass a couple years ago, some of them new/unissued Police trades. Quoted: You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300. I paid $200 for a University of Florida PD LE 92FS. Brand new in the box. No plastic parts, factory night sights, and three 15rd mags. I also snagged a straight dust covered 92FS Centurion for $250 around the same time period. It was carried and had holster wear but it is a nice shooter. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:02:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I should have bought more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I remember a handful of years ago paying $300-$400 for S&W revolvers of any caliber............NIB. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:06:19 PM EDT
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I usually watch local sites for guns that aren't selling and if they get reduced, pretty easy to tell when someone is hurting for cash. Usually can offer a bit less and come out with a good deal.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:12:12 PM EDT
[#35]
Old stuff>new stuff
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:22:37 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) I thought that the finishes were nicer on the Taurus guns of the period than the Berettas. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:32:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Bought this one last year for $240 OTD.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 8:39:36 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
They're ridiculously expensive and I've now learned that a Colt SP1 rifleor Carbine is worth more if parted out than whole since all the retro builders are gutting them for period parts. I think the driving force behind them being broken up is the high price pre ban lowers are fetching, not necessarily the "retro parts" |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 9:00:00 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that the finishes were nicer on the Taurus guns of the period than the Berettas. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Taurus in the late 80s and early to mid 90s made some damn good 92 series guns. It was all still Beretta tooling and Beretta trained employees. Remember, Beretta had a contract with the Brazilian Government. Part of the deal was to build a plant and hre Brazilians. Beretta did. When the contract ended. They decided to sell the tooling, plans, and employees to a Brazilian company. Bangor Punta, then the owner of Taurus bought the plant. They also owned S&W at the time. Bangor Punta was part of Mr. Lear's corporate empire. (Yes, Mr. LearJet) I thought that the finishes were nicer on the Taurus guns of the period than the Berettas. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 9:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Trust me.... I know about Colt and S&W Wheel Guns. Hell, even their 3rd Gens are rising in price. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Want a shock? Go look at USGI 1911's and 1911A1's. Then go look at all the older S&W revolvers that used to go for $150-$200. After that, go look at Colt revolvers and such. There is very little of the above that I bought in the past that hasn't doubled, tripled, or more in price. Had an early PT99, I have nothing but good to say about it. True dat. I saw a 457 in a pawn shop the other day for $370 and almost bought it just because. As for the wheelguns, I've finally given up on replacing Dad's Model 15s (2" & 4") that were stolen when he passed. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 9:00:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the driving force behind them being broken up is the high price pre ban lowers are fetching, not necessarily the "retro parts" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're ridiculously expensive and I've now learned that a Colt SP1 rifleor Carbine is worth more if parted out than whole since all the retro builders are gutting them for period parts. I think the driving force behind them being broken up is the high price pre ban lowers are fetching, not necessarily the "retro parts" |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 10:01:53 PM EDT
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I went to a pawn shop a couple of months ago hoping to score something decent and saw they had a ban-era Bushmaster with an A2 stock, 16" barrel, and AK-74 style comp. $1400. I literally laughed in the guy's face and walked out. Everything else had similarly outrageous price tags.
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Posted: 5/28/2016 10:05:30 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 10:23:08 PM EDT
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I Remember when a ice cold Coca Cola cost a nickel and the store keep would throw in a nice yellow onion for your lunch,for free.
Nice glass bottle too.. none f these space age polymers, no sir. I'd tie that yellow onion to my belt and head off to my job down at the sawmill. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 10:38:34 PM EDT
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I strolled through the lgs this afternoon and they had a used Taurus .40 in the case for $349. But it just didn't excite me as I just don't shoot my S&W 4006 much and wasn't a 9mm. Only 9s I have are a P1 and a G19. I've always kinda wanted a full sized service 9 with the Taurus being towards the top of the list.
They also had a used SAR K2 with two extra mags $399. This is the Turkish CZ75 clone in .45 ACP. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 11:50:14 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not too long ago I bought a 96D for my oldest son, $279 with free shipping. Great condition too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can get a nice berretta 96 for a bit over 300. |
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Posted: 5/28/2016 11:58:48 PM EDT
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Talking about stripping Colt SP1's for parts...I saw a excellent condition A1 set consisting of a A1 buttstock, A1 pistol grip, and A1 triangular handguards for sale on Gunbroker for........$399.
 
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Posted: 5/28/2016 11:59:12 PM EDT
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I'm not a Taurus fan, but in college we beat the fuck out of a Beretta clone and it kept on ticking.
For years, I could have got them for $250-300 at my LGS. Now prices are tarded. |
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Posted: 5/29/2016 12:22:44 AM EDT
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The pre Sigma S&W semi-autos are also pretty stupidly priced these days. When I was 16-18 I wanted a S&W 6906 but never bought one when I was 21+. Now they are 500+ Last year GT Distributors hadva bunch of s&w autos. 59xx, 69xx, etc. Saw a few 645s for around $350, but everything else was sub-$300. I snagged an early 6946 for $189 and a 5903 for $199. They came from PR so they had never been cleaned and probably used to tune up a suspect two or twenty times
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Posted: 5/29/2016 10:18:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last year GT Distributors hadva bunch of s&w autos. 59xx, 69xx, etc. Saw a few 645s for around $350, but everything else was sub-$300. I snagged an early 6946 for $189 and a 5903 for $199. They came from PR so they had never been cleaned and probably used to tune up a suspect two or twenty times Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The pre Sigma S&W semi-autos are also pretty stupidly priced these days. When I was 16-18 I wanted a S&W 6906 but never bought one when I was 21+. Now they are 500+ Last year GT Distributors hadva bunch of s&w autos. 59xx, 69xx, etc. Saw a few 645s for around $350, but everything else was sub-$300. I snagged an early 6946 for $189 and a 5903 for $199. They came from PR so they had never been cleaned and probably used to tune up a suspect two or twenty times |
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