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Posted: 6/21/2016 11:30:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2016 11:33:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2016 11:34:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2016 12:27:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/21/2016 12:44:15 PM EDT
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All I know is they're behind the NFA changes... Enemy in our flanks? Coercive engineering for profiteering on the backs of your rights. |
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Posted: 6/21/2016 2:03:00 PM EDT
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Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter?
Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:57:13 AM EDT
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Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 8:49:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:05:08 PM EDT
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As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:06:29 PM EDT
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This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. 
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:11:48 PM EDT
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This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Don't know how I missed this thread before... but, so very much in... |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:17:51 PM EDT
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This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Where the hell is the like button?????? |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:18:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it.  |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:33:30 PM EDT
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Give it to them, Nolo!
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Posted: 6/27/2016 10:59:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Sort of a tangent - How do we submit useful NFA rule changes? Is it a petitioning process? Write a letter? Obviously that ignores what those changes ought to be, but if NFACTA does stuff that screws surely we can submit something that makes it better. As near as I've been able to tell, anything to our benefit is ignored. Anything that screws us is implemented. This is pretty much how it works. Especially with ATF. But wait. There's more! Hey ATF, there is a foia about to be filed on a sister agency that will expose you for your lies. You can't stop it. Do you love it? Do you hate it? There it is, the way you made it. Will you be posting it in this thread or starting a new one? |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 11:22:16 PM EDT
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lol Quote HistoryThat just happened. |
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Posted: 6/27/2016 11:27:08 PM EDT
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They suck and I hate them.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:42:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 10:48:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2016 12:19:27 PM EDT
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What can we do to cripple this organization? Sign me up twice.
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Posted: 6/28/2016 9:49:17 PM EDT
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Fuck them.
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Posted: 6/29/2016 12:44:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/29/2016 1:36:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryAllowing end caps to be the possible marking location for silencers does constitute a serious public safety issue in the areas of diversion, tracing, and evasion of other NFA rules.” How, exactly, does where the engraving is done affect public safety? And specifically what other NFA rules does it allow to be evaded? Sounds like bullshit to me. |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:08:01 AM EDT
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How, exactly, does where the engraving is done affect public safety? And specifically what other NFA rules does it allow to be evaded? Sounds like bullshit to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Allowing end caps to be the possible marking location for silencers does constitute a serious public safety issue in the areas of diversion, tracing, and evasion of other NFA rules.” How, exactly, does where the engraving is done affect public safety? And specifically what other NFA rules does it allow to be evaded? Sounds like bullshit to me. "It's not fair. We need ATF to make a new rule about marking location. We paid a lot of money to get a machine that engraves on the side of a rounded tube and these others guys are able to use a $250 surplus engraving machine to legally mark an endcap which is flat, whaaaaa" |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 6:29:00 AM EDT
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Keep up the heat Nolo !
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Posted: 6/29/2016 8:06:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How, exactly, does where the engraving is done affect public safety? And specifically what other NFA rules does it allow to be evaded? Sounds like bullshit to me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Allowing end caps to be the possible marking location for silencers does constitute a serious public safety issue in the areas of diversion, tracing, and evasion of other NFA rules.” How, exactly, does where the engraving is done affect public safety? And specifically what other NFA rules does it allow to be evaded? Sounds like bullshit to me.  |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:07:55 AM EDT
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Has ASA weighed in on 29P?
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:14:07 PM EDT
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Keep up the heat Nolo ! I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:17:10 PM EDT
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I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep up the heat Nolo ! I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:18:08 PM EDT
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I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep up the heat Nolo ! I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... 
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:24:15 PM EDT
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I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keep up the heat Nolo ! I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... Soon? |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:44:03 PM EDT
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Keep up the heat Nolo ! I am! Wonder what I'm doing next? Maybe a new thread about it tomorrow...... Soon? Sooner! |
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Posted: 6/29/2016 9:47:37 PM EDT
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Oh, and ATF service effective on 6/27. So, 30 days for an answer.
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Posted: 6/30/2016 12:16:49 AM EDT
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Nolo keep up the good work!
Is there a master nolo thread somewhere of all the stuff he has going on? Seems like I always find a new one every couple days, I know hes a busy guy. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 12:20:46 AM EDT
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Nolo keep up the good work! Is there a master nolo thread somewhere of all the stuff he has going on? Seems like I always find a new one every couple days, I know hes a busy guy. that's actually a brilliant idea. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 12:33:36 AM EDT
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Who's hungry for justice?
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:45:11 AM EDT
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that's actually a brilliant idea. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo keep up the good work! Is there a master nolo thread somewhere of all the stuff he has going on? Seems like I always find a new one every couple days, I know hes a busy guy. that's actually a brilliant idea. Yeah it could be called The Justice Thread, Freedom Fighting, Taking Back Rights, I don't know, but how !any are there does anyone know? I think he's doing a great job, and I have like I think four tabs open of his work that I've been able to use to help bring people to the chase, not only that but it sure is nice to see someone bring the pain to people who are more worried of stripping has down instead of building us up. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:54:00 AM EDT
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They were in booth 3117, a small booth kind of out of the way. You could find it with the directory or the NRA app. I had the directory in hand |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 3:11:14 PM EDT
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Yeah it could be called The Justice Thread, Freedom Fighting, Taking Back Rights, I don't know, but how !any are there does anyone know? I think he's doing a great job, and I have like I think four tabs open of his work that I've been able to use to help bring people to the chase, not only that but it sure is nice to see someone bring the pain to people who are more worried of stripping has down instead of building us up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nolo keep up the good work! Is there a master nolo thread somewhere of all the stuff he has going on? Seems like I always find a new one every couple days, I know hes a busy guy. that's actually a brilliant idea. Yeah it could be called The Justice Thread, Freedom Fighting, Taking Back Rights, I don't know, but how !any are there does anyone know? I think he's doing a great job, and I have like I think four tabs open of his work that I've been able to use to help bring people to the chase, not only that but it sure is nice to see someone bring the pain to people who are more worried of stripping has down instead of building us up. Honestly, at this point a subforum only he could start topics in would be a better way to do it. 
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Posted: 6/30/2016 3:28:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who's hungry for justice? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/HomemadeStromboliAug05.jpg  |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 3:35:52 PM EDT
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Nolo keep up the good work! Is there a master nolo thread somewhere of all the stuff he has going on? Seems like I always find a new one every couple days, I know hes a busy guy. I believe this is the blog of his law office: http://www.sdslaw.us/blog Following that blog may help keep up on news if ARFCOM lags behind. |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 3:53:29 PM EDT
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I will keep arfcom updated. With all 2A stuff I do unless i'm told otherwise.
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Posted: 6/30/2016 5:01:39 PM EDT
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Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here:
http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. 
Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 6:44:40 PM EDT
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Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here: http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/jc_conn/Public/2016-06-30_16-11-55_zpsn2zog0vr.jpg Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? What is that all about? |
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Posted: 6/30/2016 9:24:46 PM EDT
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Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here: http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/jc_conn/Public/2016-06-30_16-11-55_zpsn2zog0vr.jpg Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? John Brown. Is that John K. Brown? |
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Posted: 7/1/2016 1:56:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: John Brown. Is that John K. Brown? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here: http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/jc_conn/Public/2016-06-30_16-11-55_zpsn2zog0vr.jpg Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? John Brown. Is that John K. Brown? Yes |
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Posted: 7/1/2016 2:21:23 AM EDT
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you're my hero. no really.
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Posted: 7/1/2016 5:42:58 AM EDT
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Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here: http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/jc_conn/Public/2016-06-30_16-11-55_zpsn2zog0vr.jpg Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? John Brown. Is that John K. Brown? Yes Fuck him 
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Posted: 7/1/2016 7:51:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck him Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here is a list of the Board Members and Officers for the NFATCA, from here: http://www.nfatca.org/about.htm Who We Are Officers, Board Members John Brown, President - Northpoint Response Group Curt Wolf , Vice President - US Armament Corp Jeff Folloder, Executive Director, Sec/Treasurer Additional Board Members Robert Landies - Ohio Ordnance Works Wayne Weber - Heckler & Koch USA Robert Segel - Small Arms Review The Partisan, NFATCA Newsletter John Brown, Publisher Jeff Folloder, Senior Editor What is very interesting is that the John Brown, Northpoint Response Group, is located in Chantilly, VA, which should be an easily recognized place for HK fans. Board Member Wayne Weber is also the President of Heckler & Koch USA, which is very near Chantilly, VA in Ashburn, VA. Definitely some interesting connections here. Here is some information on the NFATCA itself, from it's IRS Form 990 filings as a 501(c)6. https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/202820282 This is interesting from the 2014 filing. http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h90/jc_conn/Public/2016-06-30_16-11-55_zpsn2zog0vr.jpg Why do they owe $68k to the Venetian in Las Vegas? John Brown. Is that John K. Brown? Yes Fuck him |
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Posted: 7/1/2016 8:08:59 AM EDT
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I spoke to the clowns at the NFATCA booth at NRA. Their talking points: . . . 4. 41F is not a further infringement of the Second Amendment. An honest man shouldn't care about the additional trust requirements. . . . 
(Edited to correct my typing.) An honest man shouldn't HIDE their agenda from the very people they say they represent. An honest man wouldn't force Nolo to file a FOIA lawsuit just to see what the organization is up to. If they were honest, they would publicize the list of their petitions for rule making, or at least share it privately with Nolo so this whol thing could be resolved. -but, I don't believe they are honest, and they won't take the honest approach. |
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