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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:09:39 PM EDT
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Essential SR-71 Reads :

Slow Flyby

Inlet Unstart

Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:14:40 PM EDT
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......

A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.

I'm feeling inspired.  
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:17:07 PM EDT
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Awesome - thanks for posting.



BTW the first video was 5:56 long.
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There were a lot of things we couldn't do in an SR-71, but we were the fastest guys on the block and loved reminding our fellow aviators of this fact. People often asked us if, because of this fact, it was fun to fly the jet. Fun would not be the first word I would use to describe flying this plane. Intense, maybe. Even cerebral. But there was one day in our Sled experience when we would have to say that it was pure fun to be the fastest guys out there, at least for a moment.

It occurred when Walt and I were flying our final training sortie. We needed 100 hours in the jet to complete our training and attain Mission Ready status. Somewhere over Colorado we had passed the century mark. We had made the turn in Arizona and the jet was performing flawlessly. My gauges were wired in the front seat and we were starting to feel pretty good about ourselves, not only because we would soon be flying real missions but because we had gained a great deal of confidence in the plane in the past ten months. Ripping across the barren deserts 80,000 feet below us, I could already see the coast of California from the Arizona border. I was, finally, after many humbling months of simulators and study, ahead of the jet.

I was beginning to feel a bit sorry for Walter in the back seat. There he was, with no really good view of the incredible sights before us, tasked with monitoring four different radios. This was good practice for him for when we began flying real missions, when a priority transmission from headquarters could be vital. It had been difficult, too, for me to relinquish control of the radios, as during my entire flying career I had controlled my own transmissions. But it was part of the division of duties in this plane and I had adjusted to it. I still insisted on talking on the radio while we were on the ground, however. Walt was so good at many things, but he couldn't match my expertise at sounding smooth on the radios, a skill that had been honed sharply with years in fighter squadrons where the slightest radio miscue was grounds for beheading. He understood that and allowed me that luxury.

Just to get a sense of what Walt had to contend with, I pulled the radio toggle switches and monitored the frequencies along with him. The predominant radio chatter was from Los Angeles Center, far below us, controlling daily traffic in their sector. While they had us on their scope (albeit briefly), we were in uncontrolled airspace and normally would not talk to them unless we needed to descend into their airspace.

We listened as the shaky voice of a lone Cessna pilot asked Center for a readout of his ground speed. Center replied: "November Charlie 175, I'm showing you at ninety knots on the ground."

Now the thing to understand about Center controllers, was that whether they were talking to a rookie pilot in a Cessna, or to Air Force One, they always spoke in the exact same, calm, deep, professional, tone that made one feel important. I referred to it as the " Houston Center voice." I have always felt that after years of seeing documentaries on this country's space program and listening to the calm and distinct voice of the Houston controllers, that all other controllers since then wanted to sound like that, and that they basically did. And it didn't matter what sector of the country we would be flying in, it always seemed like the same guy was talking. Over the years that tone of voice had become somewhat of a comforting sound to pilots everywhere. Conversely, over the years, pilots always wanted to ensure that, when transmitting, they sounded like Chuck Yeager, or at least like John Wayne. Better to die than sound bad on the radios.

Just moments after the Cessna's inquiry, a Twin Beech piped up on frequency, in a rather superior tone, asking for his ground speed. "I have you at one hundred and twenty-five knots of ground speed." Boy, I thought, the Beechcraft really must think he is dazzling his Cessna brethren. Then out of the blue, a navy F-18 pilot out of NAS Lemoore came up on frequency. You knew right away it was a Navy jock because he sounded very cool on the radios. "Center, Dusty 52 ground speed check". Before Center could reply, I'm thinking to myself, hey, Dusty 52 has a ground speed indicator in that million-dollar cockpit, so why is he asking Center for a readout? Then I got it, ol' Dusty here is making sure that every bug smasher from Mount Whitney to the Mojave knows what true speed is. He's the fastest dude in the valley today, and he just wants everyone to know how much fun he is having in his new Hornet. And the reply, always with that same, calm, voice, with more distinct alliteration than emotion: "Dusty 52, Center, we have you at 620 on the ground."

And I thought to myself, is this a ripe situation, or what? As my hand instinctively reached for the mic button, I had to remind myself that Walt was in control of the radios. Still, I thought, it must be done - in mere seconds we'll be out of the sector and the opportunity will be lost. That Hornet must die, and die now. I thought about all of our Sim training and how important it was that we developed well as a crew and knew that to jump in on the radios now would destroy the integrity of all that we had worked toward becoming. I was torn.

Somewhere, 13 miles above Arizona, there was a pilot screaming inside his space helmet. Then, I heard it. The click of the mic button from the back seat. That was the very moment that I knew Walter and I had become a crew. Very professionally, and with no emotion, Walter spoke: "Los Angeles Center, Aspen 20, can you give us a ground speed check?" There was no hesitation, and the replay came as if was an everyday request. "Aspen 20, I show you at one thousand eight hundred and forty-two knots, across the ground."

I think it was the forty-two knots that I liked the best, so accurate and proud was Center to deliver that information without hesitation, and you just knew he was smiling. But the precise point at which I knew that Walt and I were going to be really good friends for a long time was when he keyed the mic once again to say, in his most fighter-pilot-like voice: "Ah, Center, much thanks, we're showing closer to nineteen hundred on the money."

For a moment Walter was a god. And we finally heard a little crack in the armor of the Houston Center voice, when L.A.came back with, "Roger that Aspen, Your equipment is probably more accurate than ours. You boys have a good one."

It all had lasted for just moments, but in that short, memorable sprint across the southwest, the Navy had been flamed, all mortal airplanes on freq were forced to bow before the King of Speed, and more importantly, Walter and I had crossed the threshold of being a crew. A fine day's work. We never heard another transmission on that frequency all the way to the coast.

For just one day, it truly was fun being the fastest guys out there.


Made my day.

Boss shit.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:45:05 PM EDT
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......



A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.



I'm feeling inspired.  
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Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:46:58 PM EDT
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Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:47:21 PM EDT
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Lived there back then saw her too...amazing demonstration
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I saw an SR-71 flying at Oshkosh back in the early 90's. What a sight and sound that was during the "low" speed pass with giant blue flames shooting out of the back of the plane.

Nothing more can be said except for Murica.


Lived there back then saw her too...amazing demonstration


I was at Oshkosh that year,too. One of my best friends was flying the KC-135 tanker for the Blackbird.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 9:57:16 PM EDT
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Cool Videos, thanks OP!
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:16:26 PM EDT
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I love the fact that it was also designed to me more fuel efficient cruising at Mach 3.2.

Kelly Johnson was a freaking genius. Plane went from design to flying prototype in 4 years all done with a slide rule. We couldn't do that today.
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:39:20 PM EDT
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Kelly Johnson was a freaking genius. Plane went from design to flying prototype in 4 years all done with a slide rule. We couldn't do that today.
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Sure we could, but I don't think they'd use a slide rule...
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Kelly Johnson was a freaking genius. Plane went from design to flying prototype in 4 years all done with a slide rule. We couldn't do that today.
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I didn't understand about 87% of that, but I can see that the engines are extremely specially designed.




I love the fact that it was also designed to me more fuel efficient cruising at Mach 3.2.



Kelly Johnson was a freaking genius. Plane went from design to flying prototype in 4 years all done with a slide rule. We couldn't do that today.
I disagree.  I think that if we really wanted to do so that the American military industrial complex could pull off and equally impressive feat.

 
Link Posted: 5/2/2016 10:53:09 PM EDT
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I didn't understand about 87% of that, but I can see that the engines are extremely specially designed.


I love the fact that it was also designed to me more fuel efficient cruising at Mach 3.2.

Kelly Johnson was a freaking genius. Plane went from design to flying prototype in 4 years all done with a slide rule. We couldn't do that today.
I disagree.  I think that if we really wanted to do so that the American military industrial complex could pull off and equally impressive feat.  


We certainly have engineers and builders that could do it in equal or less time. For others involved there is to much money to be made in cost overruns, contract delays, bribes, and kickbacks.
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Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?



Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.
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Missle Outrun



Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  




Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?



Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.




 
You are not wrong, according to my calculations.




I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 12:09:34 AM EDT
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  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.
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Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.


amazing story
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 3:55:47 AM EDT
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Meh, not to be "that guy" but I'm not all that impressed.  Didn't we do something real damn similar....in 1969....after a 300k mile journey through frozen space...on another heavenly body...using less computing power than my fridge has and with people in it?



Elon can blow me, I've dealt with Tesla engineering....here's hoping the smart ones work for space X.  



ETA: Kelly Johnson was one smart fucker...and he was surrounded by smart guys and they had a mission, a vision and essentially a blank check. CIA knew how to spend money back then.  CIA now is just a targeting agency.

 
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Meh, not to be "that guy" but I'm not all that impressed.  Didn't we do something real damn similar....in 1969....after a 300k mile journey through frozen space...on another heavenly body...using less computing power than my fridge has and with people in it?



Elon can blow me, I've dealt with Tesla engineering....here's hoping the smart ones work for space X.  



ETA: Kelly Johnson was one smart fucker...and he was surrounded by smart guys and they had a mission, a vision and essentially a blank check. CIA knew how to spend money back then.  CIA now is just a targeting agency.

 
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Link Posted: 5/3/2016 5:54:35 AM EDT
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  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.
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Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.



Your calculations are wrong.

There's been plenty of analysis done that suggests it couldn't possibly have done more than about 3.5.



Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:26:57 AM EDT
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Your calculations are wrong.

There's been plenty of analysis done that suggests it couldn't possibly have done more than about 3.5.

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=26485

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Essential SR-71 Reads :

Slow Flyby

Inlet Unstart

Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.



Your calculations are wrong.

There's been plenty of analysis done that suggests it couldn't possibly have done more than about 3.5.

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=26485



The speed of sound, Mach, changes with altitude.

The denser the medium, the faster sound travels through it.

Like if you have been under water before and heard a noise.  You brain is used to locating sound in air because it travels at 1,000 fps at ground level.  Thus, the sound arrives at one ear sooner than the other ear.

Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:45:09 AM EDT
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I love that video.
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The speed of sound, Mach, changes with altitude.

The denser the medium, the faster sound travels through it.

Like if you have been under water before and heard a noise.  You brain is used to locating sound in air because it travels at 1,000 fps at ground level.  Thus, the sound arrives at one ear sooner than the other ear.

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Essential SR-71 Reads :

Slow Flyby

Inlet Unstart

Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.



Your calculations are wrong.

There's been plenty of analysis done that suggests it couldn't possibly have done more than about 3.5.

http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=26485



The speed of sound, Mach, changes with altitude.

The denser the medium, the faster sound travels through it.

Like if you have been under water before and heard a noise.  You brain is used to locating sound in air because it travels at 1,000 fps at ground level.  Thus, the sound arrives at one ear sooner than the other ear.




WOW  STOP THE PRESSES NEW INFORMATION!!!!
Link Posted: 5/3/2016 6:53:24 AM EDT
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... That bird was a pretty secretive project, considering the real maximum range of our artillery is still classified vs the published ranges. I'm going to guess it could exceed it's published top speed, for how long and by how much *shrug* who knows.

Maybe someone should ask Clint Eastwood...
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A RETRO turbo-encabulator...



 
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Brought to you by massive govt subsidies for support of Obama

 
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'Murica




Murica of 50 years ago.



Not today






America is still great.  For example:



http://www.trbimg.com/img-56d0c8f6/turbine/os-spacex-barge-landings-20160226



There are just too many things competing for our short attention spans.
Brought to you by massive govt subsidies for support of Obama

 


NASA and the military are paid for by government taxes.  Just sayin'.



Why are you against capitalism?



 
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This country really does miss having a Kelly Johnson.



A fucking super high tech airplane goes from concept to fully functioning, in what, 4 years? That's fucking insane when you look at how fucked up our procurement process is today.
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......



A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.



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Big enough for ya'?



Sorry about the REALLY crappy music....



 
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There was a drone that could be attached to the topside of the SR-71.  I think the idea was to fly near the coast of China and Russia, launch the drone at Mach 3+ , let the drone fly over enemy territory snapping pictures.  The drone was either remotely controlled or pre-programmed to circle back around over the ocean in international waters, and then eject the film cannister.  If my memory of that is correct.

So here is a video of the drone testing where once launched it collided with the SR-71 which then catastrophically failed:



That embed might not work, so try this:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GMyC2urCl_4
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......
A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.
I'm feeling inspired.  
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how has this not yet been suggested?!


 














If you start planning it now, the ARF donations will likely allow you to build it out of titanium.



I live 20 minutes from the one in Dayton, at the USAF Museum, if you ever need reference material.  Luckily, it is well documented.
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......

A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.

I'm feeling inspired.  
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Looking forward to next year's project.

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Here is more information on the D-21 drone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_D-21

In this pic, the inlet to the drone is covered:



And so is the exhaust:



And the reason for the inlet being covered like that I presume is much like why the F-104's intakes were initially covered when rolling out to the runway.  If you're a Russian aeronautical engineer looking at a side picture of a F-104 or MD21 drone, the geometry involved with the inlet "cone" can tell you its max speed.

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Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.
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Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.



That's one possible error another is that air speed and ground speed greatly differ at higher altitudes. When we flew the L-1011, routinely we would be cruising at .82-.86 mach, but our ground speed would be 700 mph plus.
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Here is more information on the D-21 drone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_D-21

In this pic, the inlet to the drone is covered:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/M21Ship2-cropped.jpg/300px-M21Ship2-cropped.jpg

And so is the exhaust:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/M-21_Rear.jpg

And the reason for the inlet being covered like that I presume is much like why the F-104's intakes were initially covered when rolling out to the runway.  If you're a Russian aeronautical engineer looking at a side picture of a F-104 or MD21 drone, the geometry involved with the inlet "cone" can tell you its max speed.

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The little scale model I built back in elementary school came with the drone
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I forgot to mention that the JC-130 Hercules would capture the film capsule as it fell back to earth.  This was the same for pictures  taken by our spy satellites.  We didn't have the technology yet to transmit digital pics from space down to earth.  So our satellites would also eject their film cannisters:





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If you start planning it now, the ARF donations will likely allow you to build it out of titanium.

I live 20 minutes from the one in Dayton, at the USAF Museum, if you ever need reference material.  Luckily, it is well documented.
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......

A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.

I'm feeling inspired.  
how has this not yet been suggested?!  



If you start planning it now, the ARF donations will likely allow you to build it out of titanium.

I live 20 minutes from the one in Dayton, at the USAF Museum, if you ever need reference material.  Luckily, it is well documented.

My oldest will be there for three weeks this summer on an internship. I already told him to make plenty of trips to the museum.  

I did a quick Google search last night, and you are correct; there is lots of info out there for reference.  Imagining that shape in plywood frames, with 1/4" ribbing, like the boat, sitting in my classrooom gives me chills.

Definitely at the top of my list right now, but I'm like a little kid in a toy store with ADD, when I comes to choosing a topic.
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My oldest will be there for three weeks this summer on an internship. I already told him to make plenty of trips to the museum.  

I did a quick Google search last night, and you are correct; there is lots of info out there for reference.  Imagining that shape in plywood frames, with 1/4" ribbing, like the boat, sitting in my classrooom gives me chills.

Definitely at the top of my list right now, but I'm like a little kid in a toy store with ADD, when I comes to choosing a topic.
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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......

A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.

I'm feeling inspired.  
how has this not yet been suggested?!  



If you start planning it now, the ARF donations will likely allow you to build it out of titanium.

I live 20 minutes from the one in Dayton, at the USAF Museum, if you ever need reference material.  Luckily, it is well documented.

My oldest will be there for three weeks this summer on an internship. I already told him to make plenty of trips to the museum.  

I did a quick Google search last night, and you are correct; there is lots of info out there for reference.  Imagining that shape in plywood frames, with 1/4" ribbing, like the boat, sitting in my classrooom gives me chills.

Definitely at the top of my list right now, but I'm like a little kid in a toy store with ADD, when I comes to choosing a topic.


Use balsa and composites and add a couple of these



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I want one.....  a big one..... not the little 1/48th I had as a kid......
A big one.  Hmmmmm....   about the right shape for a space we have.  Hell, I might be able to put it in our Commons.
I'm feeling inspired.  
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The engines are insanely complicated up close.

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In concept, and in regard to propelling devices employing moving parts, only the rocket engine is simpler than the axial flow jet engine.  It's like the automatic transmission that intuitively seems complicated when appreciating what it does, but it's actually beautifully simplistic.
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what I never stopped to think about until I started reading a book about it is that the fuel tanks had to be purged with  inert gas because at max speed cause the fumes would ignite in the tanks with an oxygen atmosphere. Also those projecting its speed to be much higher than rated everything i said was 3.7 was the limit. Above that due to temps in the engine that Pratt and Whitteny couldn't gurantee the structual integrity of the engine itself.
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The engine on the F-35 is more powerful.
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Yeah they are. I've also seen a refinery in my ex wive's town with a gajillion pipes running all throughout the complex. I wonder, how the fuck does anybody understand how this works?
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  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.
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Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.

Where on earth are these numbers coming from (the 7.5M stuff)?
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Of course there is only one on the F-35. . .and two on the SR

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The SR-71 used JP7  which was ignited with TEB (triethylborane). There was an indicator on the instrument panel that showed the remaining TEB charges. There are some other details about the TEB system but essentially you only got so many restarts in flight since each attempt expended a charge. Additionally the aircraft never took off with more than about half a fuel load due to weight limitations of the landing gear and brakes. There was also an onboard LN2 system to pressurize the fuel tanks to prevent fuel fumes which would have ignited in the temperatures present at speed. Both the TEB and LN2 levels were part of mission abort criteria.

Another tidbit. The SR-71, following conventional nomenclature, was originally designated the RS-71. Right up until Johnson announced the aircraft's existence, publically, and mistakenly called it the SR-71. The Air Force changed designation.


 
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They also had to develop a new fuel to prevent it from combusting prematurely. There was also some wacky ass chemical mixture they used to get the engines running. It would burn when it contacted the oxygen in the air, and it allowed them to get the fuel ignited on engine start up. The fuel had a very high ignition temperature.

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The SR-71 used JP7  which was ignited with TEB (triethylborane). There was an indicator on the instrument panel that showed the remaining TEB charges. There are some other details about the TEB system but essentially you only got so many restarts in flight since each attempt expended a charge. Additionally the aircraft never took off with more than about half a fuel load due to weight limitations of the landing gear and brakes. There was also an onboard LN2 system to pressurize the fuel tanks to prevent fuel fumes which would have ignited in the temperatures present at speed. Both the TEB and LN2 levels were part of mission abort criteria.

Another tidbit. The SR-71, following conventional nomenclature, was originally designated the RS-71. Right up until Johnson announced the aircraft's existence, publically, and mistakenly called it the SR-71. The Air Force changed designation.


 


I was recently told that fuel was routed through the leading edges to cool them in flight. I haven't verified this.
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I was recently told that fuel was routed through the leading edges to cool them in flight. I haven't verified this.
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They also had to develop a new fuel to prevent it from combusting prematurely. There was also some wacky ass chemical mixture they used to get the engines running. It would burn when it contacted the oxygen in the air, and it allowed them to get the fuel ignited on engine start up. The fuel had a very high ignition temperature.

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The SR-71 used JP7  which was ignited with TEB (triethylborane). There was an indicator on the instrument panel that showed the remaining TEB charges. There are some other details about the TEB system but essentially you only got so many restarts in flight since each attempt expended a charge. Additionally the aircraft never took off with more than about half a fuel load due to weight limitations of the landing gear and brakes. There was also an onboard LN2 system to pressurize the fuel tanks to prevent fuel fumes which would have ignited in the temperatures present at speed. Both the TEB and LN2 levels were part of mission abort criteria.

Another tidbit. The SR-71, following conventional nomenclature, was originally designated the RS-71. Right up until Johnson announced the aircraft's existence, publically, and mistakenly called it the SR-71. The Air Force changed designation.


 


I was recently told that fuel was routed through the leading edges to cool them in flight. I haven't verified this.

No, fuel was far too valuable as a thermal commodity to use it for something like leading edge cooling.  For leading edges, this was all handled by material selection and thermo-structural design. ETA: and commonplace bay ventilation techniques where cockpit/avionics outflow air is [loosely] routed through the fuselage to mitigate accumulation of explosive vapors, etc.

The fuel was critical for life support, flight control / avionics cooling and subsystem thermal management.  Engine bleed air is hot, and at max design conditions, the primary heat exchanger could only bring the engine bleed air temperatures down to 800F.  An ECS system can't function with warm air bleed that high, let alone a secondary heat sink like that.  So, this engine bleed air was further cooled through a fuel-cooled-air-cooler before passing into the ACM packs.
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I didn't understand about 87% of that, but I can see that the engines are extremely specially designed.
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I feel much better now.
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You end up learning subsystem by sub system.  Many people consider the plumbing on a modern high bypass engine to be complicated, but when you start at the unit that you're working on, and work back out, it simplifies things quite a bit.
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Imagine any of this coming out of modern day universities.
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We do "Gender Equality Studies" now.
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Thanks for posting that.

What an amazing story.  
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Thanks for posting that.

What an amazing story.  


Here's another good one if you haven't already seen it.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-sr-71-blackbirds-most-spectacular-flyover-was-also-1719654907
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Where on earth are these numbers coming from (the 7.5M stuff)?
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Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  




Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?



Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.


  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.





I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.



Where on earth are these numbers coming from (the 7.5M stuff)?




 
Third link, guy said he was traveling a mile every 1.6 seconds. Convert Miles per Second to Miles per Hour.
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Or pay a visit to USS Constitution, HMS Victory, etc. and have a gander at the rigging.
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Essential SR-71 Reads :

Slow Flyby

Inlet Unstart

Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.

Where on earth are these numbers coming from (the 7.5M stuff)?

  Third link, guy said he was traveling a mile every 1.6 seconds. Convert Miles per Second to Miles per Hour.

1 mile per 1.6 seconds is 2250mph (3300fps).  

Standard Day tropopause temperature is -69.7ºF, for a speed of sound of 968fps; std day tropopause holds a constant temperarture from 36,000 feet to 65,000 feet.

But, the right most part of the SR-71 envelope is from 75,000 ft to 85,000 ft, where std day tempertures range from -64.6ºF to -59.1ºF, 975fps to 981fps sos, respectively (atmospheric temperatures actually increase as you climb through this part of the stratosphere).

The flight manual limits is basically 450KEAS or 427ºC/800ºF, which ever comes first.

I would have to give this a little more thought as to how hard the Mach limit is.  But, the Ttot limit is the hard limit; it could be based on something like mechanical interference from thermal expansion, so probably a good thing to abide by.

The Standard Atmsophere is roughly 59ºF/0ft, -69.7ºF/36kft, -69.7ºF/65kft, -50.8ºF/100kft.  If you sum the air density from sea level to the top of the atmosphere, you arrive at 14.7 pounds of air - this is an integrated atmosphere, that it sums to 14.7 pounds of air per square inch at the surface of the earth.

In hot weather, air temperatures near the ground get hotter.  But, sea level pressure is more or less constant at 14.7 psi ... because the temperature gradient of the atmosphere changes.  The most common temperature profile for hot ground conditions is one where the tropopause increases in height, and decreases in temperature - and when you sum the air densities for this realistic atmosphere, you're back at 14.7 psi.

The pilot was talking about "finding cold air", and probably in the context of an 80kft altitude.  In Std Day conditions, the SR-71 is going to be limited to a 3.25M to 3.3M max Mach based on the 427ºC/800ºF Ttot limit.  But, on this day over Libya, the atmosphere probably didn't reach tropopause until 50kft (instead of the 'standard' 36kft), and the tropopause was colder than the standard -69.7ºF.  -80ºF might be a reasonable temperature for that type of day, based on what's often seen at Edwards AFB.
... so, those are the numbers more or less of the top of my head.
... checking the math for -80ºF, that would allow him 3.4M before hitting the Ttot limit.
... he would need almost -95ºF Tfat to get to 3.5M while remaining within the Ttot limit ... and that's some cold air.  For reference, MIL-STD-210C 10% risk at 80kft is roughly -110ºF, so well within expected bounds

A picture might help to make things more clear.
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I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.
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Essential SR-71 Reads :

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Missle Outrun

Posted above was the Air Speed Check story.  


Reading the third story and consulting a MPH to mach calculator gives the sppe in the last story at 7.5 mach?

Of course my figures are probably wrong since I was not using Knots.

  You are not wrong, according to my calculations.


I've always held the firm belief that the Blackbird could easily exceed it's "said" top speed of Mach 2.8-3.0.


Limited by compressor inlet tempt to about Mach 3.4 or a little less.
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