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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:29:35 PM EDT
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Too much protein converts to glucose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think you were eating enough fat, and perhaps too many carbs. I ate a god-awful-lot of baked chicken and fish and assumed the fat was zero because I wouldn't weigh portions. I know the assumption was invalid. I'm saying I probably went over 30g. I would eat processed meats but only ones processed to have low fat. I ate frozen and canned veggies because I was too lazy to cook. Too much protein converts to glucose. Well, maybe it was the placebo effect. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:46:40 PM EDT
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 2:51:34 PM EDT
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The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Well he cited "the science",..and uncontrolled, anecdotal "evidence". Case...closed. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:01:06 PM EDT
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The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Are you a good baseline to go off of though? If I recall you were pre-diabetic and overweight. So there already be irreversible damage to the systems used to move and store various types of energy. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:10:45 PM EDT
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs 
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. (Not refering to SDMF) What amazes me more is the ignorant people that dont have metabolic issues, who think everyone has the same metabolism as them.... Durrr get off your ass and stop eating twinkies durrr. Reading is for faggots durrrrrr |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:15:27 PM EDT
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Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:16:33 PM EDT
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Well he cited "the science",..and uncontrolled, anecdotal "evidence". Case...closed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Well he cited "the science",..and uncontrolled, anecdotal "evidence". Case...closed. Glucogenisis isn't exactly something that can be denied. Not by intelligent people anyway. And if it's throwing keto eaters out of ketosis, it reinforces the science. Real science, not bro science. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:19:32 PM EDT
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Are you a good baseline to go off of though? If I recall you were pre-diabetic and overweight. So there already be irreversible damage to the systems used to move and store various types of energy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Are you a good baseline to go off of though? If I recall you were pre-diabetic and overweight. So there already be irreversible damage to the systems used to move and store various types of energy. Type 2 diabetes is a disease of insulin resistance. And I wasn't pre, I was full blown. I have no more insulin resistance, and my A1Cs are in the high 4s and low 5s. Still does it. Just like it does to normal people. Some people think it stops at the end of the "need". Others say it converts excess amounts beyond what's required for muscle preservation. I've seen incident after incident of it going beyond. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:20:12 PM EDT
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(Not refering to SDMF) What amazes me more is the ignorant people that dont have metabolic issues, who think everyone has the same metabolism as them.... Durrr get off your ass and stop eating twinkies durrr. Reading is for faggots durrrrrr Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. (Not refering to SDMF) What amazes me more is the ignorant people that dont have metabolic issues, who think everyone has the same metabolism as them.... Durrr get off your ass and stop eating twinkies durrr. Reading is for faggots durrrrrr Well, regardless of your metabolism, just lying around on your ass and eating Twinkies is a losing battle if you want to keep fat off. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:20:26 PM EDT
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Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:23:22 PM EDT
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And even if you "taper off" to something that should be healthy and sustainable, the original "temporary fix" might have damaged your metabolism to the point that you are already set on a path to fatten up again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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*shrugs* it's about making permanent, sustainable lifestyle changes. It's why fad diets, or losing a whole bunch of weight all at once and then letting your workouts taper off don't work. You can't just temporarily fix something if it's been long term broken. And even if you "taper off" to something that should be healthy and sustainable, the original "temporary fix" might have damaged your metabolism to the point that you are already set on a path to fatten up again. Explain to me in physiological terms how this happens. Im genuinely curious. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:25:19 PM EDT
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. Exactly. You should be able to cheat everyday. Not just once a week. I'm on the soul crusher diet. It's pretty simple. If it had a face, a mother or a soul, it's on the menu. And if your using 1 ply toilet paper, you're not on the soul crusher. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:28:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glucogenisis isn't exactly something that can be denied. Not by intelligent people anyway. And if it's throwing keto eaters out of ketosis, it reinforces the science. Real science, not bro science. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Well he cited "the science",..and uncontrolled, anecdotal "evidence". Case...closed. Glucogenisis isn't exactly something that can be denied. Not by intelligent people anyway. And if it's throwing keto eaters out of ketosis, it reinforces the science. Real science, not bro science. I don't believe anyone is denying the existence. I remember back when I looked into this there were studies that showed your liver regulated the conversion in healthy individuals and it did not matter how much excess protein you took in. Now I obviously don't have any research journals at hand because it has been awhile and they would be dated regardless. If you have any research articles you can show to dispute this, please do. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:30:15 PM EDT
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Common sense would seem to dictate that if your metabolism slows, you might just consider eating less. Yes? common sense would dictate that losing as much as a pound per day isn't healthy and will shock the hell out of your body. i could maybe see that kind of crash diet to drop the first 100 lbs or so but then you need a major adjustment eating a healthy number of calories and exercising at a sustainable level. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:30:35 PM EDT
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Type 2 diabetes is a disease of insulin resistance. And I wasn't pre, I was full blown. I have no more insulin resistance, and my A1Cs are in the high 4s and low 5s. Still does it. Just like it does to normal people. Some people think it stops at the end of the "need". Others say it converts excess amounts beyond what's required for muscle preservation. I've seen incident after incident of it going beyond. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Are you a good baseline to go off of though? If I recall you were pre-diabetic and overweight. So there already be irreversible damage to the systems used to move and store various types of energy. Type 2 diabetes is a disease of insulin resistance. And I wasn't pre, I was full blown. I have no more insulin resistance, and my A1Cs are in the high 4s and low 5s. Still does it. Just like it does to normal people. Some people think it stops at the end of the "need". Others say it converts excess amounts beyond what's required for muscle preservation. I've seen incident after incident of it going beyond. So just out of curiosity then. If you went back on a balanced macro diet. Like 40/30/30, or even 30/40/30 you would have zero issues with needing insulin again? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:30:44 PM EDT
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How is having a more effecient metabolism a bad thing? "Damage"?
If anything it will make you live longer. Less oxidative stress. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:31:01 PM EDT
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Well, regardless of your metabolism, just lying around on your ass and eating Twinkies is a losing battle if you want to keep fat off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. (Not refering to SDMF) What amazes me more is the ignorant people that dont have metabolic issues, who think everyone has the same metabolism as them.... Durrr get off your ass and stop eating twinkies durrr. Reading is for faggots durrrrrr Well, regardless of your metabolism, just lying around on your ass and eating Twinkies is a losing battle if you want to keep fat off. I dont know anyone that does that, but I know a lot of people that are over weight. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:32:40 PM EDT
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. Because putting shit into your body is a bad idea. If you need to cheat, you're eating wrong Or you are just eating right for you. You can obsess with always being clean if you want but cheating every now and then won't make a difference on your health. Everything is fine in moderation. If cheating occasionally psychologically or physically helps you maintain your healthy eating it is worth doing. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If you need to cheat, you're eating the wrong shit. Or you aren't. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:35:03 PM EDT
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Now I obviously don't have any research journals at hand because it has been awhile and they would be dated regardless. If you have any research articles you can show to dispute this, please do. Everything I've found still debates it. It really depends on your version of excess. I've T1Ds go to over 300 off a 20oz ribeye. To them, that's excessive, and explainable by a semi non functional pancreas. Other people being thrown out of ketosis, is excessive to most people. I can go from 85 up to 125 and back down to 85 off a 20 oz steak, but see no rise at all off a twelve. So, yeah, anecdotal. But that's enough for me to keep my steals to about 12 oz
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:37:29 PM EDT
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No shit your body gets used to being fat.
Gotta maintian. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:38:26 PM EDT
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Well, regardless of your metabolism, just lying around on your ass and eating Twinkies is a losing battle if you want to keep fat off. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. (Not refering to SDMF) What amazes me more is the ignorant people that dont have metabolic issues, who think everyone has the same metabolism as them.... Durrr get off your ass and stop eating twinkies durrr. Reading is for faggots durrrrrr Well, regardless of your metabolism, just lying around on your ass and eating Twinkies is a losing battle if you want to keep fat off. http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/ |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:39:19 PM EDT
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Glucogenisis isn't exactly something that can be denied. Not by intelligent people anyway. And if it's throwing keto eaters out of ketosis, it reinforces the science. Real science, not bro science. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Well he cited "the science",..and uncontrolled, anecdotal "evidence". Case...closed. Glucogenisis isn't exactly something that can be denied. Not by intelligent people anyway. And if it's throwing keto eaters out of ketosis, it reinforces the science. Real science, not bro science. Oh I don't deny GNG. Obviously, because I'm intelligent. But citing "science" without referencing an actual study is retarded...particularly, when in reply to someone referencing a study. One could find many studies that either state that the effect isn't as great as you suggest, or that the conversion is very random. When actual science presents contrasting views, people naturally seek scientific, not anecdotal, evidence of the conflicting statement. Note: The debate on the validity of modern "scientific studies" is a completely separate issue. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:39:33 PM EDT
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So just out of curiosity then. If you went back on a balanced macro diet. Like 40/30/30, or even 30/40/30 you would have zero issues with needing insulin again? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ot has been awhile since I researched this and I am no expert, but I recall gluconeogenesis was regulated by the body and research had shown that a certain amount can be converted it isn't always converted and no excess was shown on tested animals. This is undoubtedly dated research, what are you basing your statement on? The science, and testing my blood glucose upwards of 20 times a day. And seeing it. And seeing the exact same reports from hundreds of others in a few keto and diabetes groups. Are you a good baseline to go off of though? If I recall you were pre-diabetic and overweight. So there already be irreversible damage to the systems used to move and store various types of energy. Type 2 diabetes is a disease of insulin resistance. And I wasn't pre, I was full blown. I have no more insulin resistance, and my A1Cs are in the high 4s and low 5s. Still does it. Just like it does to normal people. Some people think it stops at the end of the "need". Others say it converts excess amounts beyond what's required for muscle preservation. I've seen incident after incident of it going beyond. So just out of curiosity then. If you went back on a balanced macro diet. Like 40/30/30, or even 30/40/30 you would have zero issues with needing insulin again? Never needed insulin. And I don't think either of those are balanced diets. Even with my diabetes gone, I see far too many other health benefits with eating real, low carb, high fat food. I can't eat sugar without my energy levels bottoming out. I went 54 minutes straight on a structure fire saturday. 3 bottles, busting my ass. Not even sore today. I could never do that when I carb loaded. This is a better way of eating for me. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:40:35 PM EDT
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I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:42:49 PM EDT
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Never needed insulin. And I don't think either of those are balanced diets. Even with my diabetes gone, I see far too many other health benefits with eating real, low carb, high fat food. I can't eat sugar without my energy levels bottoming out. I went 54 minutes straight on a structure fire saturday. 3 bottles, busting my ass. Not even sore today. I could never do that when I carb loaded. This is a better way of eating for me. Just because you don't think they are, doesn't mean they aren't. Carbs serve an important function, if they didn't then the agricultural revolution wouldn't have kickstarted modern civilization. I realize that it works for you, but you are (were) diabetic. You basically ruined your body's ability to properly utilize carbs. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:54:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Why do you oppose a cheat meal? There is solid reasoning for them. Fries I would avoid, but have no issue if others take them. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:56:42 PM EDT
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It's fucking amazing HOW LITTLE we really know about nutrition.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:57:43 PM EDT
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Just because you don't think they are, doesn't mean they aren't. Carbs serve an important function, if they didn't then the agricultural revolution wouldn't have kickstarted modern civilization. I realize that it works for you, but you are (were) diabetic. You basically ruined your body's ability to properly utilize carbs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never needed insulin. And I don't think either of those are balanced diets. Even with my diabetes gone, I see far too many other health benefits with eating real, low carb, high fat food. I can't eat sugar without my energy levels bottoming out. I went 54 minutes straight on a structure fire saturday. 3 bottles, busting my ass. Not even sore today. I could never do that when I carb loaded. This is a better way of eating for me. Just because you don't think they are, doesn't mean they aren't. Carbs serve an important function, if they didn't then the agricultural revolution wouldn't have kickstarted modern civilization. I realize that it works for you, but you are (were) diabetic. You basically ruined your body's ability to properly utilize carbs. My body can use carbs as well as anyone's. And the body doesn't require them. The only glucose required by the body can be made by the body. We're in ketosis in the womb, and breastfed babies are as well. It's perfectly natural to use dietary fat as a fuel source, and carbs to add body fat for the leaner winter time. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 3:58:44 PM EDT
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Never needed insulin. And I don't think either of those are balanced diets. Even with my diabetes gone, I see far too many other health benefits with eating real, low carb, high fat food. I can't eat sugar without my energy levels bottoming out. I went 54 minutes straight on a structure fire saturday. 3 bottles, busting my ass. Not even sore today. I could never do that when I carb loaded. This is a better way of eating for me. Your high blood sugar readings may be gone, but your diabetes is not gone. Also, "pre diabetes" is like pre pregnancy ........ you either are or you are not. You can either metabolize carbs and maintain a "normal" blood glucose level, or you can't. If you can't, you need to stop eating them and replace them with fats. (which is not a bad thing anyway) |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:00:15 PM EDT
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Why do you oppose a cheat meal? There is solid reasoning for them. Fries I would avoid, but have no issue if others take them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Why do you oppose a cheat meal? There is solid reasoning for them. Fries I would avoid, but have no issue if others take them. I'm not opposed to it for others. For people doing certain diets, it's not a one day set back. It can be a setback of a few weeks. If the desire exists, something is missing from the diet most of the time. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:04:09 PM EDT
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Your high blood sugar readings may be gone, but your diabetes is not gone. Also, "pre diabetes" is like pre pregnancy ........ you either are or you are not. You can either metabolize carbs and maintain a "normal" blood glucose level, or you can't. If you can't, you need to stop eating them and replace them with fats. (which is not a bad thing anyway) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never needed insulin. And I don't think either of those are balanced diets. Even with my diabetes gone, I see far too many other health benefits with eating real, low carb, high fat food. I can't eat sugar without my energy levels bottoming out. I went 54 minutes straight on a structure fire saturday. 3 bottles, busting my ass. Not even sore today. I could never do that when I carb loaded. This is a better way of eating for me. Your high blood sugar readings may be gone, but your diabetes is not gone. Also, "pre diabetes" is like pre pregnancy ........ you either are or you are not. You can either metabolize carbs and maintain a "normal" blood glucose level, or you can't. If you can't, you need to stop eating them and replace them with fats. (which is not a bad thing anyway) If you have no more insulin resistance, and every marker is normal, then you don't have it anymore. T2 isn't T1. For now, my markers are all gone. They'll come back. Every male in my family has t2d. As far as pre diabetes goes, I don't know. I kind of agree with you. But it's a medical condition with standards. But the standards were considered normal a few years ago. It's almost like someone makes money off the numbers of diabetics going up. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:05:00 PM EDT
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat.
Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not opposed to it for others. For people doing certain diets, it's not a one day set back. It can be a setback of a few weeks. If the desire exists, something is missing from the diet most of the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Why do you oppose a cheat meal? There is solid reasoning for them. Fries I would avoid, but have no issue if others take them. I'm not opposed to it for others. For people doing certain diets, it's not a one day set back. It can be a setback of a few weeks. If the desire exists, something is missing from the diet most of the time. That is a more reasonable reply than your absolutes earlier. I'd say we probably agree on most things. I currently have to be disciplined in eating the extra meal each week. Currently it consists of two spinach enchiladas. My goal is to get to below 10% body fat. I'm at roughly 12% currently. It is hard mentally for me to force that meal in, but my lifting is much better the next day even if it causes me to feel hungry. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:09:37 PM EDT
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They're looking at intestinal flora for the fatties as well. Maybe there's a turd transplant in our future.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:13:59 PM EDT
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:15:01 PM EDT
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Common sense would seem to dictate that if your metabolism slows, you might just consider eating less. Yes? There is no common sense about any subject, especially anatomy and physiology. Most Doctors don't have a good understanding of metabolic function, let alone nutrition. There are things that we are barely on the verge of starting to discover about digestion, metabolism, nutrition, and bodily functions people assume are basic. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:18:35 PM EDT
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:19:45 PM EDT
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There is no common sense about any subject, especially anatomy and physiology. Most Doctors don't have a good understanding of metabolic function, let alone nutrition. There are things that we are barely on the verge of starting to discover about digestion, metabolism, nutrition, and bodily functions people assume are basic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Common sense would seem to dictate that if your metabolism slows, you might just consider eating less. Yes? There is no common sense about any subject, especially anatomy and physiology. Most Doctors don't have a good understanding of metabolic function, let alone nutrition. There are things that we are barely on the verge of starting to discover about digestion, metabolism, nutrition, and bodily functions people assume are basic. And it's scary how little many docs know, that should know better. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:22:40 PM EDT
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:25:33 PM EDT
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Fat people need to be put into camps.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:35:14 PM EDT
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Eat less, move more. Lift things up and put them down. It's not rocket science. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you add muscle, your RMR goes up. I'm curious how much muscle these people gained on the show vs. how much fat they burned. I'd be willing to bet they left the show with MUCH LESS lean body mass. The answer to this issue is crushing weights. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:37:12 PM EDT
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Fat people need to be put into camps. Then there would be a shit load more parking spots at the mall. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:37:35 PM EDT
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"I'm not geared to say this is a good thing to do," he said. "I'm stuck in the middle. I guess that's the frustrating part. I can't give a concrete answer. There's not enough information to do that." Other posters here are writing that we really don't know as much about biology as we think we do, which certainly seems to be the case. I truly believe that anyone that is doling out concrete answers to non-trivial questions is either an idiot or a liar. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:37:51 PM EDT
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LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? Can you even call what they do "nutrition". Those fat slobs just eat anything without any thought whatsoever. They should reduce their protein intake. Eat more fat. Get lean. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:39:26 PM EDT
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LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:42:51 PM EDT
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? I can't lift my arms over my head. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:51:26 PM EDT
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If there's one important point we can all take away from this article and this thread is that fat people suck.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:57:44 PM EDT
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Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't think you understand what a cheat meal is. It is an extra meal you add in during a cutting phase designed to replace glycogen levels and control leptin and ghrelin. I'm guessing you believe it is stuffing your face with birthday cake? Most guys I know do a burger and fries or huge plate of spaghetti. Wendy's Jr. Baconator with chili instead of fries. On paydays, once every other week. I'm down 60 lbs since January 3rd. Low carbs and sugar, and 1500 calories a day, plus an hour of brisk walking every other day is what's working for me. I don't even get as hungry as I did on garbage food. I started at 330, I'm at 270, and my doc says I should be 225, although 250 will make me pretty darned happy. Those of you who've seen my Facebook have seen the pic my son posted from 2011 when I was over 350. Getting the depression under control was the biggest hurdle. Without that happening there was no way I could even begin to start controlling my weight. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 4:58:52 PM EDT
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Can you even call what they do "nutrition". Those fat slobs just eat anything without any thought whatsoever. They should reduce their protein intake. Eat more fat. Get lean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fatties making excuses on why they are fat. Want to lose weight, eat right and lift heavy shit. If you can lift it over 10 times increase the weight. Repeat often. Plenty of heavy lifting fatties at my gym. Yeah, very few cut up dudes at world's strongest man. They all seem a bit pudgy LOL. I suppose you should be giving them advice on their nutrition? Can you even call what they do "nutrition". Those fat slobs just eat anything without any thought whatsoever. They should reduce their protein intake. Eat more fat. Get lean. 
Definitely too much protein being converted to glucose! I've done my best to stay out of this thread all day. I am just happy I wasn't drinking anything when I read your post. lol |
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