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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:46:32 AM EDT
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There was another study recently, outside of one that only follows biggest loser contestants, that showed the body would adjust but it took up to one year for it to do so.
Conclusions I get from them tracking biggest loser contestants are that they were morbidly obese and not all of the contestants held true to their conclusions. What are some of them doing differently? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:52:40 AM EDT
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id say its got more to do with the fact, that they probably stopped exercising as much, and went back to eating crappy foods.
I'm 100% sure if they were still doing PT like a basic trainee and eating like Gandhi, they would still be skinny. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:54:00 AM EDT
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id say its got more to do with the fact, that they probably stopped exercising as much, and went back to eating crappy foods. Know how I know you didn't read the article (or even the excerpt I posted in the OP)? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:55:46 AM EDT
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Know how I know you didn't read the article (or even the excerpt I posted in the OP)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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id say its got more to do with the fact, that they probably stopped exercising as much, and went back to eating crappy foods. Know how I know you didn't read the article (or even the excerpt I posted in the OP)? hey now, don't be stepping on muh feels, I can have a opinion on fat people.
I myself, I was fat, then I lost 30 lbs, by dieting and exercise... then I stopped exercising, and dieting, and surprisingly.... I got fat again. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 10:58:12 AM EDT
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hey now, don't be stepping on muh feels, I can have a opinion on fat people.
I myself, I was fat, then I lost 30 lbs, by dieting and exercise... then I stopped exercising, and dieting, and surprisingly.... I got fat again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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id say its got more to do with the fact, that they probably stopped exercising as much, and went back to eating crappy foods. Know how I know you didn't read the article (or even the excerpt I posted in the OP)? hey now, don't be stepping on muh feels, I can have a opinion on fat people.
I myself, I was fat, then I lost 30 lbs, by dieting and exercise... then I stopped exercising, and dieting, and surprisingly.... I got fat again. Crazy how that works, right? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:00:22 AM EDT
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I'm 100% sure if they were still doing PT like a basic trainee and eating like Gandhi, they would still be skinny. Isn't that the problem? Stop eating and the body stops burning -- your resting metabolism slows. If it is your full time job to lose weight, starvation and exercise work great. Once the TV show is over and you are back to your daily routine, you're not going to be able to hit the gym for hours a day. Now your body has adjusted to a deficit diet and is conserving every calorie it can. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:01:47 AM EDT
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Another issue is that when you get fat/obese, your fat cells multiply... and when you diet, the fat cells shrink, give up their stored fat etc... but they're still there. Having an impact on your metabolism etc. And they're all ready to fill back up at the drop of a hat.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:01:50 AM EDT
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But in the years since, more than 100 pounds have crept back onto his 5-foot-11 frame despite his best efforts. Well then, apparently his best efforts are total shit. You can't do a crash fat burn like that and then expect to hold onto it. They don't really learn long term eating/exercise habits. You need a lifestyle that is sustainable, physically and mentally, to stick with it. I can hit the weights hard for a few months through the winter, and I get great results. As soon as work starts I crash hard and have to dial it way back to something that I can actually follow through with each week without burning out. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:02:22 AM EDT
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As good an explanation of metabolic adaptation as you can find. When you cut calories your body becomes more efficient at gaining energy from calories. Even the flora in your gut change so as to squeeze as much energy as possible out of whatever food you are taking in. This adaptation leaves the person at the end of a period of fat loss with a significantly more efficient metabolism...that burns fewer calories at rest. Adaptation to exercise means they don't get as much caloric burn from exercise, either. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:03:31 AM EDT
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Common sense would seem to dictate that if your metabolism slows, you might just consider eating less.
Yes? |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:05:20 AM EDT
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If they would have changed their way of eating instead of dieting they wouldn't get fat again. Less than 50 carbs per day. It isn't that fucking difficult. That is how I eat. I'm 36. I lost 50 pounds 3 year ago. I weigh what I weighed when I was 17. I sit on my ass all day working from home. Anyone that argues it should try it. 30 days and you will never feel better.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:05:41 AM EDT
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Another issue is that when you get fat/obese, your fat cells multiply... and when you diet, the fat cells shrink, give up their stored fat etc... but they're still there. Having an impact on your metabolism etc. And they're all ready to fill back up at the drop of a hat. Outside of being massive that isn't really a problem. Even then, you can go from obese to reasonable, that adipose may still be there, but it loses a ton of volume. Look at off season body builders, many of them routinely get up to 20% body fat and then manage to cut back down to 7-8% for competition time, so lean you can't find fat on them to look at them. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:06:21 AM EDT
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Eat less, move more. Lift things up and put them down. It's not rocket science. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you add muscle, your RMR goes up. I'm curious how much muscle these people gained on the show vs. how much fat they burned.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:07:02 AM EDT
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I hate fat people, especially the ones that eat themselves into type 2 diabetes and a ride on scooter
That being said I need to lose 25-30 lbs |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:07:59 AM EDT
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Eat less, move more. Lift things up and put them down. It's not rocket science. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you add muscle, your RMR goes up. I'm curious how much muscle these people gained on the show vs. how much fat they burned. I would bet they gain very little muscle, the whole show is about extreme cutting. Calorie deficit and excessive exercise. Their biggest concern is the scale, not the BF% like it should be. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:08:11 AM EDT
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I have been front seat to someone loosing a lot of weight, Biggest Loser kind of numbers. They kept it off.
The key is one has to change the way they think about food. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:09:35 AM EDT
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If they would have changed their way of eating instead of dieting they wouldn't get fat again. Less than 50 carbs per day. It isn't that fucking difficult. That is how I eat. I'm 36. I lost 50 pounds 3 year ago. I weigh what I weighed when I was 17. I sit on my ass all day working from home. Anyone that argues it should try it. 30 days and you will never feel better. https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231343 I do 20, but yeah. I rarely make it to the gym, and when I do, I don't go nuts. The extra weight falls off |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:10:44 AM EDT
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:10:57 AM EDT
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I have been front seat to someone loosing a lot of weight, Biggest Loser kind of numbers. They kept it off. The key is one has to change the way they think about food. Yeo. It's fuel, nothing more. It can be enjoyable fuel, but primarily, it has to be seen as fuel. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:11:10 AM EDT
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get off your ass. :shurg
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:12:01 AM EDT
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or don't diet at all. Adopt a new way of eating real food. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:13:44 AM EDT
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Common sense would seem to dictate that if your metabolism slows, you might just consider eating less. Yes? Common sense as in most people are wrong most of the time, then yes. If you continue to reduce intake, the metabolism will continue to slow. You will go nutrient deficient and have a slew of other problems. The trick is to build lean body mass. Muscles require a lot of energy just to maintain, let alone use to lift heavy things. You have to eat lots of good things to build muscles and continue to eat a lot of those good things too maintain them/use them. The body is meant to be used. So use it. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:22:35 AM EDT
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Crash dieting is a horrible idea.
It should take time to lose a significant amount of weight. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:25:25 AM EDT
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Crash dieting is a horrible idea. It should take time to lose a significant amount of weight. In an ideal scenario it should take the same amount of time to lose it as it did to gain it. However, lots of people don't want to look a the 20 year long game for that. Hell, even losing it twice as fast should be reasonable. 20 years to get fat, 10 years to trim it down and not have floppy skin all over the place. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:39:54 AM EDT
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Cliff notes: Fat people are unsat slobs with zero willpower and dedication.
Eta: Burn more than you take in. It really is that simple. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:40:27 AM EDT
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Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:40:51 AM EDT
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:41:41 AM EDT
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Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. Intermittent fasting is another solution. By eliminating a big chunk of the day in which you can eat it actually become kind of difficult to reach your calorie goal inside an 8 hour window. Provided you are eating reasonably clean anyway. Doing 2000 calories a day was nearly as difficult with IF as doing over 3,000 a day was while bulking. Easy with processed foods and junk, but difficult with homemade food. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:43:15 AM EDT
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. 10 lbs is nothing if you are over 200, a gallon of water is 8. When you are lifting hard your body knows it, and you get way more hungry. You can't grow those muscles without feeding them. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:44:10 AM EDT
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I've believed this, I guess intuitively, for about 25 years. The most success I ever had in losing weight by diet alone included a Sunday-only binge. The body must not be allowed to 'think' "Oh shit! This fucker's starving! Initiate Disaster Survival Directive #1."
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:45:16 AM EDT
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I've believed this, I guess intuitively, for about 25 years. The most success I ever had in losing weight by diet alone included a Sunday-only binge. The body must not be allowed to 'think' "Oh shit! This fucker's starving! Initiate Disaster Survival Directive #1." Pretty easy to keep from making your body think it's starving. Eat the right real foods. Don't eat shit. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:45:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Intermittent fasting is another solution. By eliminating a big chunk of the day in which you can eat it actually become kind of difficult to reach your calorie goal inside an 8 hour window. Provided you are eating reasonably clean anyway. Doing 2000 calories a day was nearly as difficult with IF as doing over 3,000 a day was while bulking. Easy with processed foods and junk, but difficult with homemade food. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. Intermittent fasting is another solution. By eliminating a big chunk of the day in which you can eat it actually become kind of difficult to reach your calorie goal inside an 8 hour window. Provided you are eating reasonably clean anyway. Doing 2000 calories a day was nearly as difficult with IF as doing over 3,000 a day was while bulking. Easy with processed foods and junk, but difficult with homemade food. Yeah, I do that as well for 6 days. The 7th day is my no-lifting, no fasting, cheat meal day. This is basically me eating a cheese burger outside of the window. Boosts my energy and metabolism back up for the start of the new work out week, but leaves me incredibly hungry for a few days. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:48:00 AM EDT
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10 lbs is nothing if you are over 200, a gallon of water is 8. When you are lifting hard your body knows it, and you get way more hungry. You can't grow those muscles without feeding them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our metabolism is like a woman, it makes no sense. The only way to tame it without going crazy is drugs
I went from 210 to 270 around 2008, then in 2013 back to 210 now back to 225. Keeping my metabolism moving while weight training is hell. I spent January-April 1st gorging myself to kick start my metabolism. I'd literally eat until I couldn't anymore. I expected the scale to skyrocket and it never did. I only gained ten pounds, added visible muscle mass, and the ten pounds was lost last week. People who truly understand how to manipulate their metabolism amaze me. 10 lbs is nothing if you are over 200, a gallon of water is 8. When you are lifting hard your body knows it, and you get way more hungry. You can't grow those muscles without feeding them. Yeah, first two years of lifting I didn't diet at all and the fat melted. Now? Holy fuck what a battle. At least I look huge 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:48:56 AM EDT
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That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Seemed to have worked for me, but I was a lot younger. I ate whatever I wanted so long as it didn't have added sugar and daily fat totals were 30g or less. I binged on Sunday. Interestingly though, my ability to binge on Sunday lessened as I lost weight. When I'm fat, and within reason, I can eat large volume without getting ill. When skinny, I can't. I suspect it could have been fat content and not volume but I've not experimented with that. I don't think it's like stopping smoking or drinking where just one drink or smoke.... |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:52:25 AM EDT
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Pretty easy to keep from making your body think it's starving. Eat the right real foods. Don't eat shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've believed this, I guess intuitively, for about 25 years. The most success I ever had in losing weight by diet alone included a Sunday-only binge. The body must not be allowed to 'think' "Oh shit! This fucker's starving! Initiate Disaster Survival Directive #1." Pretty easy to keep from making your body think it's starving. Eat the right real foods. Don't eat shit. I won't argue. I'm no dietician. I'm just saying it seemed to work. I very much leave room for the reality being more a Sunday reward for eating less fat in the week and keeping me mentally going-thing and not a metabolism trick-thing. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:53:54 AM EDT
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I've believed this, I guess intuitively, for about 25 years. The most success I ever had in losing weight by diet alone included a Sunday-only binge. The body must not be allowed to 'think' "Oh shit! This fucker's starving! Initiate Disaster Survival Directive #1." I think it's nearly impossible for someone in the US to hit actual starvation mode. It is a thing, but you need to be be actually starving to achieve it. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:54:17 AM EDT
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Seemed to have worked for me, but I was a lot younger. I ate whatever I wanted so long as it didn't have added sugar and daily fat totals were 30g or less. I binged on Sunday. Interestingly though, my ability to binge on Sunday lessened as I lost weight. When I'm fat, and within reason, I can eat large volume without getting ill. When skinny, I can't. I suspect it could have been fat content and not volume but I've not experimented with that. I don't think it's like stopping smoking or drinking where just one drink or smoke.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Seemed to have worked for me, but I was a lot younger. I ate whatever I wanted so long as it didn't have added sugar and daily fat totals were 30g or less. I binged on Sunday. Interestingly though, my ability to binge on Sunday lessened as I lost weight. When I'm fat, and within reason, I can eat large volume without getting ill. When skinny, I can't. I suspect it could have been fat content and not volume but I've not experimented with that. I don't think it's like stopping smoking or drinking where just one drink or smoke.... I don't think you were eating enough fat, and perhaps too many carbs. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:55:40 AM EDT
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There was a study published a few weeks ago that showed if you can keep the weight off for a year, your body will reset to the new weight.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:56:18 AM EDT
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I know there is such thing as metabolic damage, where your body does adapt and use less calories to survive. It can be triggered by extreme weight loss. Your body just gets better at using less calories. One reason why slow and steady weight loss is so much better than blowing off 50 pounds in a couple months.
ETA looks like johnwayne already nailed it. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:56:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2016 11:57:57 AM EDT
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Fat people problems. Poor genetics
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Yet a ton of weight lifters do it when cutting. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:08:53 PM EDT
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Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Yet a ton of weight lifters do it when cutting. Yeah, and some also drink syrup out of coke fountains so they can 'safely' inject insulin. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. 
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:11:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, and some also drink syrup out of coke fountains so they can 'safely' inject insulin. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cycle your dieting habits. Diet a month, then eat normal a couple weeks, then repeat. Or cycle in cheat meals each week. The only problem here is that the day after you do that you get incredibly hungry, or at least I do. It really sucks. That may not be the worst plan ever, but it is definitely high up on the list. Yet a ton of weight lifters do it when cutting. Yeah, and some also drink syrup out of coke fountains so they can 'safely' inject insulin. Doesn't mean it's a good idea. Alright then, explain why it is a bad idea. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:16:10 PM EDT
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I know there is such thing as metabolic damage, where your body does adapt and use less calories to survive. It can be triggered by extreme weight loss. Your body just gets better at using less calories. One reason why slow and steady weight loss is so much better than blowing off 50 pounds in a couple months. ETA looks like johnwayne already nailed it. Just because one persons body is more efficient at using calories (and most likely also better at storing excess) doesn't exempt them from thermodynamics. Regardless of the calorie source, if you eat below your TDEE for period of time, you are going to lose weight. However, that doesn't mean you will be healthy while doing it if you ignore micro nutrients and a good macro balance. The difference between someone with a fast metabolism and a slow metabolism in reality is maybe a half hour of cardio worth of calories every day. It can be compensated for with exercise, or by just not consuming that extra glass of full fat chocolate milk. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:24:31 PM EDT
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This is why I ride 3000+ miles a year on my bicycle. If I didn't, i'd look like Triggly Puff instead of the sculpted Adonis I identify as.
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:29:53 PM EDT
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Why do we call it "dieting" when it's really normal healthy eating?
Typical fatties don't "eat normal", they "gorge like a fucking fatty". A normal lunch isn't a monster meat pizza with a 2 liter of Pepsi...and making it a 2 liter of Diet Pepsi isn't gonna make you a skinny bitch. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:36:14 PM EDT
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Eat less, move more. Lift things up and put them down. It's not rocket science. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when you add muscle, your RMR goes up. I'm curious how much muscle these people gained on the show vs. how much fat they burned. It is very hard to maintain muscle mass while losing weight much less add muscle mass. The way these shows force drastic weight loss a significant portion of that weight is going to come from muscle tissue which is why they don't need as many calories in the end. That and the fact that they aren't carrying around all of that fat with every step. If you lose a lot of weight, especially rapidly, it is a very good idea to focus on strength training during after. |
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Posted: 5/2/2016 12:36:42 PM EDT
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All this talk about hormones and metabolism and body adaptation has a ring of truth to it.
But you're all apparently missing the simple shit. If you eat like a fat person, you're going to be a fat person. If you eat enough food to feed 3 or 4 average people, guess what, you'll weigh about the same as what 3 or 4 average people weigh. If you scale back the shoveling to a reasonable amount of food, you'll see results. I was on a rig once and there was this ridiculously fat guy on board. I only ever saw him at meal times, and he had a fork in each hand. Dude was just plowing away at a tray that was piled high with food. Often he'd kill off several trays. Is it his genetics, or his metabolism, or his hormones that made him that way? Fuck no, the dude eats way too much. Carbs this, keto that...blah. Sure, it works..but it misses the point. Self control is the key. It's not nearly important what you eat as compared to how much you eat. Once you get the eating under control..sure there's optimizations to be had by controlling carbs, getting away from added sugar etc...but simply cutting back is enough to get the ball rolling. Flame away, bitch, quote, tell me I'm full of shit if you want. You know it's true. Edit - meant to post this in the OTHER fat people thread..but it works here too
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