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Posted: 4/30/2016 9:34:25 PM EDT
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They need to make room for the Obama stutue
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Posted: 4/30/2016 9:48:17 PM EDT
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Really? Not a single person who fought in the loyalist militias stayed in the United States after the war and became citizens? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't really make sense to memorialize the losers now does it. Especially since KY wasn't even technically part of the CSA You do realize that good Americans fought on both sides in the war and deserve respect and remembrance. I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. That's because they are not our countrymen. The fact you can't see that doesn't speak well for your thought process. LC Really? Not a single person who fought in the loyalist militias stayed in the United States after the war and became citizens? Wanna know how I know that you don't really 'get' critical thinking? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 9:58:12 PM EDT
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What does a "Professor of Pan-African studies" teach? something to do with biscuits? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:01:52 PM EDT
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Hey hurt feelz faggots: Fuck you.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:05:00 PM EDT
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While I generally support the North in Civil War threads, this is complete BULLSHIT!
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:06:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:07:19 PM EDT
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While I generally support the North in Civil War threads, this is complete BULLSHIT! Join or Die |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:08:05 PM EDT
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"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." -George Orwell Amen brother History, good and evil, is part of our national fabric. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:08:51 PM EDT
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By reading a book? It is kinda of perplexing that there are monuments and memorials honoring people that killed American soldiers and other Americans in the United States. And, if they had won that war, the United States would of completely changed. Additionally, world history would of changed. As somebody pointed out, you don't see Loyalists memorials in the United States even though most of them stay in the United States. However, you see a lot of Confederate memorials. Why is that? You should be asking that question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? By reading a book? It is kinda of perplexing that there are monuments and memorials honoring people that killed American soldiers and other Americans in the United States. And, if they had won that war, the United States would of completely changed. Additionally, world history would of changed. As somebody pointed out, you don't see Loyalists memorials in the United States even though most of them stay in the United States. However, you see a lot of Confederate memorials. Why is that? You should be asking that question. Who writes the book? If they don't fit the agenda they will be rewritten. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:10:04 PM EDT
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Obviously, he doesn't. Probably publik screwl edumacated. LC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't really make sense to memorialize the losers now does it. Especially since KY wasn't even technically part of the CSA You do realize that good Americans fought on both sides in the war and deserve respect and remembrance. Obviously, he doesn't. Probably publik screwl edumacated. LC Pan-African Studies major |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:15:27 PM EDT
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Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:16:53 PM EDT
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AKA, how the white man kept the black man down and stole all his ideas. LC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What does a "Professor of Pan-African studies" teach? Like most of academia, liberal indoctrination. AKA, how the white man kept the black man down and stole all his ideas. LC They were pharaohs. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:17:18 PM EDT
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Who writes the book? If they don't fit the agenda they will be rewritten. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? By reading a book? It is kinda of perplexing that there are monuments and memorials honoring people that killed American soldiers and other Americans in the United States. And, if they had won that war, the United States would of completely changed. Additionally, world history would of changed. As somebody pointed out, you don't see Loyalists memorials in the United States even though most of them stay in the United States. However, you see a lot of Confederate memorials. Why is that? You should be asking that question. Who writes the book? If they don't fit the agenda they will be rewritten. Who told you that? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:27:54 PM EDT
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Disgusting. That it was put up in the first place. Don't worry, they are just moving it. There are still FIFTY FIVE other Confederate Monuments in Kentucky alone to visit. And only FIVE union monuments, dispute Kentucky producing 25,000 more UNION soldiers than CONFEDERATES. I guess I have to hand it to them, they sure knew how to spin post war PR. Basically any area where a Confederate took a shit whether in 1865 or 80 years later in life, they put up a monument. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:30:06 PM EDT
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? They want people to reflect on their version of history, and theirs only. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:31:05 PM EDT
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Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:32:21 PM EDT
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Disgusting. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:34:09 PM EDT
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For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. Says who? You? Thanks for speaking for everyone. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:36:46 PM EDT
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For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. I bet that's the way ISIS figures it. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:40:25 PM EDT
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Says who? You? Thanks for speaking for everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. Says who? You? Thanks for speaking for everyone. Speaking for whom? Are you arguing that monuments are objective teaching tools? Are you arguing that most people's historical knowledge was spurred by a monument? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:46:35 PM EDT
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I bet that's the way ISIS figures it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? Uh, study it through actual books, articles, and written documents. Monuments are not intended, or very useful, for objective historical information or analysis. They are tools of imagery and commemoration. Therefore, it is fairly typical that communities remove symbols of past people and causes that no longer represent them. Those visual elements often encourage people to read those books. Take away the symbols and you take the intellectual curiosity away for many. They won't learn it in school, and what they learn will be whitewashed. For most monuments, that's not the case. I agree that visual displays are powerful teaching tools, but that is when sufficient information and context are provided. Memorials are notoriously pithy and celebratory. They present a far more skewed image of the past than school and published historical information. I bet that's the way ISIS figures it. You think ISIS cares about objective historical analysis? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:56:24 PM EDT
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“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.”
? George Orwell, 1984 |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 10:59:56 PM EDT
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What does a "Professor of Pan-African studies" teach? Community organizing 101 Public Protest Seminar Code Speak Languages 101, 102, 201, 202 Vertical Film Making 101 Entitlement Finance 101 History Revision 101, 102 |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:10:26 PM EDT
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I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way I'd still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't really make sense to memorialize the losers now does it. Especially since KY wasn't even technically part of the CSA You do realize that good Americans fought on both sides in the war and deserve respect and remembrance. I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way I'd still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. Monuments to them were never built. Besides, they have a whole country, It's called England. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:17:06 PM EDT
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What does a "Professor of Pan-African studies" teach? Cooking? |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:17:52 PM EDT
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The Scurge will never end until the majority stand up and not cower to the
thoughts of the few troubled socialists, communists who are trying to divide the many who have a history of HONOR and FAITH for the time in history of our GREAT COUNTRY. Seems that the socialists who are 13 percent of the country are 95 percent of the problems. That is where the GUILT should be laid. When will they do something about their problem................... |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:19:47 PM EDT
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We should scrub history and hate our past rather than learning from it.
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:19:59 PM EDT
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The confederacy WAS about slavery.
Once you accept this fact, you can have an interesting discussion Bout the statue. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:25:17 PM EDT
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Who writes the book? If they don't fit the agenda they will be rewritten. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch or arse. How are you supposed to learn and reflect on history if you try to remove it? By reading a book? It is kinda of perplexing that there are monuments and memorials honoring people that killed American soldiers and other Americans in the United States. And, if they had won that war, the United States would of completely changed. Additionally, world history would of changed. As somebody pointed out, you don't see Loyalists memorials in the United States even though most of them stay in the United States. However, you see a lot of Confederate memorials. Why is that? You should be asking that question. Who writes the book? If they don't fit the agenda they will be rewritten. Books? They're dangerous... You'll be safer with internet soundbites... I think that's where Winston worked... |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:33:55 PM EDT
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More "divide and conquer."
I'm not surprised that some of you can't see it. Yea "Murica!" Hessian-1 
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:35:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:44:20 PM EDT
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Doesn't really make sense to memorialize the losers now does it. Especially since KY wasn't even technically part of the CSA Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way I'd still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. 
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That it was put up in the first place. Don't worry, they are just moving it. There are still FIFTY FIVE other Confederate Monuments in Kentucky alone to visit. And only FIVE union monuments, dispute Kentucky producing 25,000 more UNION soldiers than CONFEDERATES. I guess I have to hand it to them, they sure knew how to spin post war PR. Basically any area where a Confederate took a shit whether in 1865 or 80 years later in life, they put up a monument. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Disgusting. That it was put up in the first place. Don't worry, they are just moving it. There are still FIFTY FIVE other Confederate Monuments in Kentucky alone to visit. And only FIVE union monuments, dispute Kentucky producing 25,000 more UNION soldiers than CONFEDERATES. I guess I have to hand it to them, they sure knew how to spin post war PR. Basically any area where a Confederate took a shit whether in 1865 or 80 years later in life, they put up a monument. What a surprise to find you in this thread defending this shit...... |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:54:19 PM EDT
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The confederacy WAS about slavery. Once you accept this fact, you can have an interesting discussion Bout the statue. I am from North Carolina. North Carolina and Virgina, the two states which arguably contributed more to the Confederate war effort than any other state, initially desired to remain in the Union. On April 15th, 1861, Lincoln called for 75,000 volunteer soldiers to form an army as a response to the firing on Fort Sumpter. Following this call to arms, 4 additional states seceded. It truly was a war of northern aggression for many. |
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Posted: 4/30/2016 11:54:48 PM EDT
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What does a "Professor of Pan-African studies" teach? Bullshit |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:19:30 AM EDT
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wat! I though that KY didn't join the secession? WTF???
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:22:08 AM EDT
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Reminders that there was a time that the divide between ideals in this country became so great its citizens kill each other by the hundreds of thousands.......those kind of reminders don't need to whitewashed no matter where you side.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:42:15 AM EDT
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“He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past.” ? George Orwell, 1984 You do realize that the Lost Cause movement is an example of that quote? For over a century, that movement has attempted to rewrite the history of the CSA. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:08:06 AM EDT
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Now a monument that celebrates the homosexual or transgender lifestyle can be put up. lol a giant monument of two guys porking each other while a transvestite covers them in thousand island salad dressing sounds about right. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:21:12 AM EDT
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Holy shit. A sixty million dollar RENOVATION for a museum? Not even to build a new one?
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:39:11 AM EDT
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Disgusting.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 1:43:42 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:00:25 AM EDT
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I expect that this will please many people and piss many others off, and there will be much sound and fury which will signify nothing. See further entries under "how the wheels are starting to fall off the whole country through Kulturkampf and Balkanization" for additional learning on this point.  I'm honestly all for balkanization. This country will never be as one again. At least as long as the fucking marxists are allowed to exist here. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:21:09 AM EDT
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They need to make room for the Obama stutue 
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:22:51 AM EDT
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Same thing ISIS does.
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:23:27 AM EDT
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The Scurge will never end until the majority stand up and not cower to the thoughts of the few troubled socialists, communists who are trying to divide the many who have a history of HONOR and FAITH for the time in history of our GREAT COUNTRY. Seems that the socialists who are 13 percent of the country are 95 percent of the problems. That is where the GUILT should be laid. When will they do something about their problem................... You are a newb, with a low post count, but you are correct. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 2:29:02 AM EDT
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I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way I'd still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Doesn't really make sense to memorialize the losers now does it. Especially since KY wasn't even technically part of the CSA You do realize that good Americans fought on both sides in the war and deserve respect and remembrance. I get it. I went through several years where I was a big believer in the lost cause of the south and all that it entails. Then I actually read the founding documents of the confederacy and there's no way I'd still support it. I don't know any other country that memorializes the losing side of their civil wars, we don't have monuments to the Loyalists of the Revolutionary War, and for good reason. Japan and Germany have monuments to their servicemen and they were the aggressors in the biggest war in history. And you are kidding yourself if you think most of those who fight in war have the luxury of reading the "founding documents" of their respective nation before entering military service. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:05:23 AM EDT
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Even though I'm a Yankee, I say to leave ALL Confederacy statues and memorials alone.
Removing the Confederate battle flag from the courthouse is another matter. It doesn't belong there. If private citizens want to fly a Confederate battle flag on their privately own land, that's protected by the First Amendment to the Constitution. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:24:56 AM EDT
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Erasing our nation's history one step at a time. Because people let them. Like, hasn't this sunk in yet? Leftists actively get involved. Right wing folks work to get politicians elected so government can do things. One way works, and the other one gets their history removed. |
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Posted: 5/1/2016 4:31:22 AM EDT
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Link A Confederate monument will be removed from a spot near the University of Louisville campus where it has stood since 1895.
The stone monument honoring Kentuckians who died for the Confederacy in the Civil War will be moved to another location, University President James Ramsey and Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer said during a surprise announcement Friday. The monument is capped with a statue of a Confederate soldier. "It's time for us to move this monument to a more appropriate place," Ramsey said while standing in front of the stone memorial, which sits next to the university's gleaming Speed Art museum that just completed a $60 million renovation. Governments and universities across the country have re-evaluated displays of Confederate symbols following the racially motivated slayings last summer of nine black parishioners at the Emanuel AME church in Charleston, South Carolina. The tall, obelisk-style monument will be disassembled and cleaned while it is in storage awaiting a new location, which has not been determined. It was given to the city by the Kentucky Woman's Monument Association. Ricky Jones, a professor of Pan-African studies at the university, said he has been pushing for removal of the statue since he arrived at the university in the late 1990s. "I can't tell you how happy I am," Jones said after the announcement Friday. "I think this statue being on the campus is somewhat akin to flying the Confederate flag over the (university's) administration building." Oh for fucks sake. What do these idiots think is going to happen by taking down these monuments? Do they truly believe that if taken down our countries history of slavery and racism the resulting civil war will just go away? Or do they find it easier to sleep at night by relegating our history to a "dont ask, dont tell" policy. Speed |
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