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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:09:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:11:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:13:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:14:11 AM EDT
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Maybe spend a few minutes on Wikipedia, dig up some old threads, and ask maybe a slightly less open-ended question?
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:15:51 AM EDT
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I support Israel to pretty much be a thorn in the side of radical-Islam. The absolute devotion and blinders that Evangelicals have to protect Israel in order to bring upon the Apocalypse and get Jesus back is concerning though. We can be dragged into WWIII - Abrahamic Wrestlemania Mudmatch quite easily because of this.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:16:49 AM EDT
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I've noticed when Israel threads come up you have some very mixed views on how we all feel about Israel and the support the US gives it. One subject that comes up was the Israelis bombing one of our ships. What was the whole story behind that? Just trying to understand why there is a split over this issue? Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:19:27 AM EDT
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You think all there is love/hate? ....nice drama though...
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:20:36 AM EDT
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There are mostly conservatives here who stand with Israel because Christianity and fuck Islam. There are also libertarians who don't want our money spent abroad. Sprinkle a little anti-semitic derp and you get the whole picture.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:23:13 AM EDT
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There are mostly conservatives here who stand with Israel because Christianity and fuck Islam. There are also libertarians who don't want our money spent abroad. Sprinkle a little anti-semitic derp and you get the whole picture. P.S. They make cool guns (with our money). Pretty much this. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:28:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think all there is love/hate? ....nice drama though... I have a lot of respect for ISRAEL and it's foreign policy because of the uniqueness of where the country sits in reference to the Arab world and how many times since it's inception it's had to defend itself. I've heard the statement a few times we shouldn't have to defend Israel all the time but the truth is we will get pulled into the conflict regardless . I don't get the bible thumping when it comes to ISRAEL either but how I see it is in a region of the world where allies are scarce and I mean true allies we need to keep strong relationships with those we do have. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:31:29 AM EDT
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Like/dislike then I have a lot of respect for ISRAEL and it's foreign policy because of the uniqueness of where the country sits in reference to the Arab world and how many times since it's inception it's had to defend itself. I've heard the statement a few times we shouldn't have to defend Israel all the time but the truth is we will get pulled into the conflict regardless . I don't get the bible thumping when it comes to ISRAEL either but how I see it is in a region of the world where allies are scarce and I mean true allies we need to keep strong relationships with those we do have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think all there is love/hate? ....nice drama though... I have a lot of respect for ISRAEL and it's foreign policy because of the uniqueness of where the country sits in reference to the Arab world and how many times since it's inception it's had to defend itself. I've heard the statement a few times we shouldn't have to defend Israel all the time but the truth is we will get pulled into the conflict regardless . I don't get the bible thumping when it comes to ISRAEL either but how I see it is in a region of the world where allies are scarce and I mean true allies we need to keep strong relationships with those we do have. How are you defining "true ally?" |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:32:30 AM EDT
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There are mostly conservatives here who stand with Israel because Christianity and fuck Islam. There are also libertarians who don't want our money spent abroad. Sprinkle a little anti-semitic derp and you get the whole picture. P.S. They make cool guns (with our money). Pretty much this. Yep. Anti-Israeli sentiment is usually a combination of isolationism, conspiritardation, and closeted antisemitism. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:32:54 AM EDT
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How are you defining "true ally?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You think all there is love/hate? ....nice drama though... I have a lot of respect for ISRAEL and it's foreign policy because of the uniqueness of where the country sits in reference to the Arab world and how many times since it's inception it's had to defend itself. I've heard the statement a few times we shouldn't have to defend Israel all the time but the truth is we will get pulled into the conflict regardless . I don't get the bible thumping when it comes to ISRAEL either but how I see it is in a region of the world where allies are scarce and I mean true allies we need to keep strong relationships with those we do have. How are you defining "true ally?" Guys who won't stab us in the back and kill our service members. LIke Germany. France Japan, Great Britain Spain Mexico. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:35:32 AM EDT
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I'm okay with being allies with them but I don't want to give them billions of dollars in foreign aid.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:37:08 AM EDT
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I'm okay with being allies with them but I don't want to give them billions of dollars in foreign aid. To be accurate, we are giving billions of dollars in corporate welfare. 90% of the money is spent on US made defense equipment Also, its a treaty obligation based upon camp david. we bought the sinai from israel and gave it to egypt. the real question is why we give billions to egypt, too. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:45:54 AM EDT
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Actually far from it. I'm being serious This is the web site you seek: USS LIberty web site The USS Liberty was a spy ship - a WWII cargo ship fitted out with a MoonBounce communication system , a bunch of radios, and the holds turned into "listening rooms" full of linguists monitoring various frequencies - in the manner of the Russian "fishing trawlers" of the era. Her mission was to listen in to Egyptian radio traffic with Russian bombers operating in the 1967 war, to determine if they were manned by Egyptian (no) or Russian (yes) crews. She was attacked by Israeli fighter jets, which were followed by a landing team in helicopters, ( that did not, in fact, land), as well as torpedoed by Israeli PT boats. Those same PT boats machine-gunned life rafts that the USS Liberty was attempting to launch, as they thought they were going to sink. The machine-gunning of the life rafts, as well as the continued rocket and cannon fire and napalm bombs from the jet fighters, led the crew to believe that the intent was to sink the ship and leave no living witnesses, and that the heli-born landing team was to make sure.. In the midst of the attack, a seaman went out on deck and cross-connected and intact antenna to a transmitter whose original antenna had been destroyed, and got a distress signal out to the Navy, which launched a flight of fighters to protect the ship. Those fighters were ordered back by the Johnson administration. In addition, Jewish linguists on board the vessel, as well as a Navy UC-121 intelligence airplane, intercepted radio traffic during the attack in which the attackers positively identified it as an American ship, and were ordered to continue the attack .anyway. The commander saved the ship, but it never sailed again. he was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor, but in a hush-hush ceremony away from the White House. Navy officer involved in the original "investigation" has stated it was a cover-up. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:47:49 AM EDT
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Make no mistake. Israel will protect Israel's interest and if that means compromising the United States of America, so be it. Look up the Sampson option. Also read By Way of Deception. There's something big they already did to us, but most of Arfcom would scoff.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:48:33 AM EDT
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Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've noticed when Israel threads come up you have some very mixed views on how we all feel about Israel and the support the US gives it. One subject that comes up was the Israelis bombing one of our ships. What was the whole story behind that? Just trying to understand why there is a split over this issue? Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. What part was a mistake? Attacking a plainly marked U.S. naval vessel with giant hull markings, a huge moon-bounce antenna, and a large American flag? Or was machine-gunning the life raft a mistake? Maybe it was ordering the attack to continue, despite the attack force and at least 1 fighter pilot identifying the ship as American? |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 8:56:41 AM EDT
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I support Israel in general - what is the other option? "Palestinians"? However, I cannot completely overlook the Liberty incident, the Lavon Affair/Operation Susannah, the Jonathan Pollard (and others) spy case, the transfer of American technology to Russia and Communist China, etc.
Israel feels perfectly free to shit on anyone at the drop of a hat. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 9:31:03 AM EDT
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What part was a mistake? Attacking a plainly marked U.S. naval vessel with giant hull markings, a huge moon-bounce antenna, and a large American flag? Or was machine-gunning the life raft a mistake? Maybe it was ordering the attack to continue, despite the attack force and at least 1 fighter pilot identifying the ship as American? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've noticed when Israel threads come up you have some very mixed views on how we all feel about Israel and the support the US gives it. One subject that comes up was the Israelis bombing one of our ships. What was the whole story behind that? Just trying to understand why there is a split over this issue? Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. What part was a mistake? Attacking a plainly marked U.S. naval vessel with giant hull markings, a huge moon-bounce antenna, and a large American flag? Or was machine-gunning the life raft a mistake? Maybe it was ordering the attack to continue, despite the attack force and at least 1 fighter pilot identifying the ship as American? Conspiracy theorists refuse to believe the truth. Quick quotes from Wikipedia: "At about 4 pm, two hours after the attack began, Israel informed the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv that its military forces had mistakenly attacked a U.S. Navy ship. When the ship was "confirmed to be American" the torpedo boats returned at about 4:40 pm to offer help;[47] it was refused by the Liberty. " "In May 1968, the Israeli government paid US$3,323,500 (US$22.6 million 2016) in compensation to the families of the 34 men killed in the attack. In March 1969, Israel paid a further $3,566,457 to the men who had been wounded. On 18 December 1980, it agreed to pay $6 million as settlement for the final U.S. bill of $17,132,709 for material damage to Liberty herself plus 13 years' interest." Israel was at war at the time. When you are at war, bad shit happens. Also worthy of note: "Accidents do occur in wartime. According to journalist Ze'ev Schiff, the day before the attack on the Liberty, Israeli aircraft had bombed an Israeli armored column south of the West Bank town of Jenin, demonstrating such mistakes do happen" What conspiracy would you attribute to Israel attacking their own people??? Conspiracy theorists don't like logic....but where is the logic behind an INTENTIONAL attack on an ally. I've read lots of theories but they are all based upon rumors about the incident and not the known facts. Show FACTS that lead to believe that it was intentional and I'd be interested. The problem is, there are lots of speculation leading to lots of assumptions. There is no PROOF that it was anything other than an accident. Period. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:37:43 AM EDT
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I like it when little guys fuck up big guys with son shots and stones. Am I a bad person?
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:42:35 AM EDT
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Yep. Anti-Israeli sentiment is usually a combination of isolationism, conspiritardation, and closeted antisemitism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There are mostly conservatives here who stand with Israel because Christianity and fuck Islam. There are also libertarians who don't want our money spent abroad. Sprinkle a little anti-semitic derp and you get the whole picture. P.S. They make cool guns (with our money). Pretty much this. Yep. Anti-Israeli sentiment is usually a combination of isolationism, conspiritardation, and closeted antisemitism. Best answers of the thread right there. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:44:35 AM EDT
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Make no mistake. Israel will protect Israel's interest and if that means compromising the United States of America, so be it. Look up the Sampson option. Also read By Way of Deception. There's something big they already did to us, but most of Arfcom would scoff. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 10:51:52 AM EDT
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I stand with Israel, simply because they're the only civilized state in the region.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:11:34 AM EDT
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Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've noticed when Israel threads come up you have some very mixed views on how we all feel about Israel and the support the US gives it. One subject that comes up was the Israelis bombing one of our ships. What was the whole story behind that? Just trying to understand why there is a split over this issue? Google the USS Liberty incident. In spite of the wet dreams of conspiracy theorists, it was a genuine mistake on the Israelis' part. No it wasn't. The Liberty was gathering information the Israelis didn't want gathered and used the "fog of war" to explain away the attack. It's as simple as that. Israel, as should any country, will look to protect its interests first. They're our closest ally in the Mideast, but they'd do it again in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:24:42 AM EDT
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:32:19 AM EDT
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I respect people who can hold a grudge for genocide for 70 years and still try and hunt down Nazi war criminals.
Kill every mother fucker involved in killing their Olympic athletes. Fly half way around the world to kill some terrorists in a hostile foreign country that hijacked a plane with some of their citizens on board, oh and kill every mother fucker involved again. Bomb nucular reactors in Iraq and Syria You know, shit like that. Shit we used to do. Shit we should still do. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:33:45 AM EDT
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:35:37 AM EDT
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Saddam said the first Nuclear weapon he got would go into Tel Aviv and that was all it took for the Israeli's to act. In 91 Saddam launched Scuds at Israel and within hours Israel had jets on the runways reading to go and it was the Bush admin and the rest of the coalition that got them to calm down because Saddam wanted the Arab alliance to fall apart if Israel got involved.
Israel looks out for it's own and honestly I have no issue with that. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:40:48 AM EDT
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Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:41:35 AM EDT
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Economies and foreign policies/strategic alliances aren't dependent upon each other. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:46:46 AM EDT
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I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Maybe this: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:48:23 AM EDT
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I respect people who can hold a grudge for genocide for 70 years and still try and hunt down Nazi war criminals. Kill every mother fucker involved in killing their Olympic athletes. Fly half way around the world to kill some terrorists in a hostile foreign country that hijacked a plane with some of their citizens on board, oh and kill every mother fucker involved again. Bomb nucular reactors in Iraq and Syria You know, shit like that. Shit we used to do. Shit we should still do. This. I like Jews and I like the state of Israel. Are they a little socialist and anti gun? Yes, but let's not forget that we tend to be also when we are at war... and Israel has been at war since day one of their modern state's existence. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:53:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Maybe this: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:53:56 AM EDT
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They're the least crazy of the fuckers in the region. That'll do
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:54:11 AM EDT
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I've noticed when Israel threads come up you have some very mixed views on how we all feel about Israel and the support the US gives it. One subject that comes up was the Israelis bombing one of our ships. What was the whole story behind that? Just trying to understand why there is a split over this issue? I do not hate Israel, but I am certainly not a supporter. Why? For one, the attack on the USS Liberty, which appears to have been intentional, despite Israeli claims that it was a case of mistaken identity. For another, they established their country in place that guaranteed they would be in a permanent state of war, then whine when they're attacked. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:58:22 AM EDT
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Gotta suppport em so they can bring in the End Times man.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 11:58:34 AM EDT
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Maybe this: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 I'm not interested in any 88'er bull shit. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:04:44 PM EDT
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I'm not interested in any 88'er bull shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've never understood why we supported a quasi-socialist country. I don't hate them though, if they took over the whole ME I could care less. If they were conquered same thing. I'd support selling weapons to both sides if it was at a profit Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Maybe this: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 I'm not interested in any 88'er bull shit. Since its 2016, maybe you guys missed the whole point. Here it is: the US has tons of dual US/Israeli citizens in key government positions. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:07:35 PM EDT
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Guys who won't stab us in the back and kill our service members. LIke Germany. France Japan, Great Britain Spain Mexico. Or Israel. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:08:41 PM EDT
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They are the least messed up country in the region by light years, and probably the only one I'd want to live in. On the other hand, they have an inordinate amount of influence over US policy.
So, I support them, but not everything they do. I also think that they don't such a vast amount of U.S. aid any more. No combination of countries in the region can threaten Israel's existence, short of using a WMD. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:09:10 PM EDT
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Since its 2016, maybe you guys missed the whole point. Here it is: the US has tons of dual US/Israeli citizens in key government positions. So what? That's not illegal, it violates no policy, and there are lots of people with dual citizenship all over the country. There's a million other things to give more of a shit about than someone having dual US/Israeli citizenship. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:09:48 PM EDT
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I'm pro from a biblical perspective. I respect them and their abilities, many great Old Testament warlords came from the region.
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:10:46 PM EDT
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Happy Passover you Goyim bitches!
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Since its 2016, maybe you guys missed the whole point. Here it is: the US has tons of dual US/Israeli citizens in key government positions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Conservatives get a thrill up their leg for Israel. A few times in the Republican debates you would have thought 16 people were running for president of Israel. I consider myself a conservative, but I don't get why we support them even when it's too our own detriment. Maybe this: http://american3rdposition.com/?p=12767 I'm not interested in any 88'er bull shit. Since its 2016, maybe you guys missed the whole point. Here it is: the US has tons of dual US/Israeli citizens in key government positions. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:13:34 PM EDT
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This. I like Jews and I like the state of Israel. Are they a little socialist and anti gun? Yes, but let's not forget that we tend to be also when we are at war... and Israel has been at war since day one of their modern state's existence. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I respect people who can hold a grudge for genocide for 70 years and still try and hunt down Nazi war criminals. Kill every mother fucker involved in killing their Olympic athletes. Fly half way around the world to kill some terrorists in a hostile foreign country that hijacked a plane with some of their citizens on board, oh and kill every mother fucker involved again. Bomb nucular reactors in Iraq and Syria You know, shit like that. Shit we used to do. Shit we should still do. This. I like Jews and I like the state of Israel. Are they a little socialist and anti gun? Yes, but let's not forget that we tend to be also when we are at war... and Israel has been at war since day one of their modern state's existence. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What? |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:16:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:20:13 PM EDT
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We here in the USA have to stop buying frienships!!!!!!!!!!!!
They only like us because our money and power, with out the money and power who knows? That goes for all of our so called allies. |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:21:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are mostly conservatives here who stand with Israel because Christianity and fuck Islam. There are also libertarians who don't want our money spent abroad. Sprinkle a little anti-semitic derp and you get the whole picture. P.S. They make cool guns (with our money). |
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Posted: 4/26/2016 12:24:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's calling it bullshit for a reason. It's bullshit from Jew hating wannabe fascists. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not interested in any 88'er bull shit. Since its 2016, maybe you guys missed the whole point. Here it is: the US has tons of dual US/Israeli citizens in key government positions. |
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