User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 6:48:21 PM EDT
http://soldiersystems.net/2016/03/31/rumor-has-it-hk-wins-csass/
http://www.defense.gov/News/Contracts/Contract-View/Article/710219 Heckler & Koch Defense Inc., Ashburn, Virginia, was awarded a $44,500,000 firm-fixed-price contract with options for Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System spare parts, training, and government purpose rights. Bids were solicited via the Internet with eight received with an estimated completion date of March 30, 2022. Funding and work location will be determined with each order. Army Contracting Command, Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey, is the contracting activity (W15QKN-16-D-0051). It's official, the HKG28E1 will be replacing the KAC M110. I have a feeling the 416 will be coming down the line eventually. Hk G28E the new CSASS!. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 6:51:01 PM EDT
[#1]
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:09:00 PM EDT
[#2]
Sweet! An Armalite AR-10 in FDE !
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:17:18 PM EDT
[#3]
Lol so the Army is going to scrap all the SR-25 mags, nylon, and parts, just to go with a significantly heavier HK that uses enormously proprietary mags and has backwards dickmod????
Should have went KAC APC or DSR |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:18:33 PM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Lol so the Army is going to scrap all the SR-25 mags, nylon, and parts, just to go with a significantly heavier HK that uses enormously proprietary mags and has backwards dickmod???? Sounds like DoD reasoning to me.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:18:36 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:33:09 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I gave up watching, but have they even made any compatible accessories other than add on rail sections? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I think they are compatible, just the complete wrong direction on specs. I don't see them ever admitting they got it wrong.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:37:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. Does it matter? Marines may be less inclined to draw dicks on rifles that already have them, whichever way they face. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:43:27 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:47:28 PM EDT
[#9]
Is that an OSS suppressor on that thing ???
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:48:58 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they are compatible, just the complete wrong direction on specs. I don't see them ever admitting they got it wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I think they are compatible, just the complete wrong direction on specs. I don't see them ever admitting they got it wrong. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:49:26 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is that an OSS suppressor on that thing ??? Yes. Wonder if this will make the 416 more favorable. Could HK push a cost saving deal? But the CSASS get the 416 half of? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:50:09 PM EDT
[#12]
General: "how will this thing help me win wars?"
HK rep: "its scope is just a tiny screen playing SAPR training videos." General: "SAPR training in the field. My God this is a force multiplier like none we've seen. I'll take them all." |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:50:36 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I didn't think they were compatible. Think HK's dicks are a bit bigger than std spec dickmod. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I think they are compatible, just the complete wrong direction on specs. I don't see them ever admitting they got it wrong. Well I guess I can't say that would shock me. HK loves their proprietary shit. XM-8 is proof enough of that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:51:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I will just leave this here 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:54:34 PM EDT
[#15]
Good Ole DoD.... burning money on shit we don't need.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:54:42 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I guess I can't say that would shock me. HK loves their proprietary shit. XM-8 is proof enough of that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I think they are compatible, just the complete wrong direction on specs. I don't see them ever admitting they got it wrong. Well I guess I can't say that would shock me. HK loves their proprietary shit. XM-8 is proof enough of that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 7:57:15 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
General: "how will this thing help me win wars?" HK rep: "its scope is just a tiny screen playing SAPR training videos." General: "SAPR training in the field. My God this is a force multiplier like none we've seen. I'll take them all." "Ja, Ja. Vee even include ze SHARP und Resilience upgrades if ze US Army buys von hundred million units" |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:07:34 PM EDT
[#18]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:19:49 PM EDT
[#19]
If S&B is the optic, that's a bad deal. They have crapped the bed in the last 3 years for some reason.
A gas gun especially is going to beat them up. With all the small frame receivers available now, these old school 9" receiver guns are a non-starter for compactness and lightweight. Something is fishy about this if it is true, which I don't believe yet until I talk to the right people. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:20:45 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. You have it backwards. You must be an HK engineer
Accessories "push" forward under recoil. Normal keymod is correct. Like so, you mount your picatinny accessories against the front section of the rail slot. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:22:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Well someone got a steak and a blowjob or five.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:23:56 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Sweet! An Armalite AR-10 in FDE ! Looks like they collaborated with FN on the color matching.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:27:51 PM EDT
[#23]
The Seal guys last deployment had the 417, so I could see
The Marines getting them. This sucks for KAC if true. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:30:19 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted:]
You have it backwards. You must be an HK engineer
Accessories "push" forward under recoil. Normal keymod is correct. Like so, you mount your picatinny accessories against the front section of the rail slot. I was thinking, "Waiitttttt a minute...... I'm pretty dumb but I think that's backward for recoil impulse" So apparently the folks at VLTOR are a little brighter than the dummies at HK, must be part of that "new, less proud germany" |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:31:54 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The Seal guys last deployment had the 417, so I could seeThe Marines getting them. This sucks for KAC if true. How does this HK compare to the SR25? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:35:03 PM EDT
[#26]
Last I heard they were using steel upper receivers just barely squeeze out 1.5 moa
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:41:10 PM EDT
[#27]
Why is the Keymod backwards?
Is there an actual technical reason for it? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:43:03 PM EDT
[#28]
The advantage of reversing the dicks is that if you run into a wall or door frame with laser or flashlight mounted to it, it rams into the tip of the shaft and is held tightly, as opposed to being shoved into the scrotum and falling out. I was going to say that I can't believe the Army is adopting a weapon system with magazines aren't compatible with either the KAC SASS or the FN SCAR-H but nothing surprises me with the procurement system anymore.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 8:46:02 PM EDT
[#29]
Does this mean more LWRC CSASS for the common folk?!?!?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:04:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If S&B is the optic, that's a bad deal. They have crapped the bed in the last 3 years for some reason. A gas gun especially is going to beat them up. With all the small frame receivers available now, these old school 9" receiver guns are a non-starter for compactness and lightweight. Something is fishy about this if it is true, which I don't believe yet until I talk to the right people. Glad to see you chime in. You may be right, I didn't notice the optic choice which does seem like a bad deal if true. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:06:23 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The advantage of reversing the dicks is that if you run into a wall or door frame with laser or flashlight mounted to it, it rams into the tip of the shaft and is held tightly, as opposed to being shoved into the scrotum and falling out. I was going to say that I can't believe the Army is adopting a weapon system with magazines aren't compatible with either the KAC SASS or the FN SCAR-H but nothing surprises me with the procurement system anymore. Except recoil pushes things forward so it's actually bad for actually shooting the gun. Also who doesn't love proprietary mags? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:06:47 PM EDT
[#32]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:06:54 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Does it matter? Marines may be less inclined to draw dicks on rifles that already have them, whichever way they face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. Does it matter? Marines may be less inclined to draw dicks on rifles that already have them, whichever way they face. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:09:09 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I will just leave this here http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/21-660x439.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. I will just leave this here http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/21-660x439.jpg I still got that catelog somewhere |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:14:38 PM EDT
[#35]
I'm actually shocked the MK20 supposedly made it to the finals yet KAC didn't.
According to SSD, it was LMT, FNH, and H&K in the end with the solid steel G28E winning. I also wonder weight since the G28 weighs around 14lbs. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:15:46 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
the dick should point towards the enemy not the Marine. Perhaps we can write "dick towards enemy" into the contract for HK? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. Does it matter? Marines may be less inclined to draw dicks on rifles that already have them, whichever way they face. It might be grounds for someone to challenge the contract award. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:19:03 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If S&B is the optic, that's a bad deal. They have crapped the bed in the last 3 years for some reason. A gas gun especially is going to beat them up. With all the small frame receivers available now, these old school 9" receiver guns are a non-starter for compactness and lightweight. Something is fishy about this if it is true, which I don't believe yet until I talk to the right people. I have heard about problems with the S&Bs for about five years now. Did their qc go to shit due to volume of orders or something? What is the go to high end optic these days? Leupold, tangent theta, vortex razor, hensoldt, kahles, nightforce etc? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:19:39 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. Which way do your rifles recoil? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:21:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I was thinking, "Waiitttttt a minute...... I'm pretty dumb but I think that's backward for recoil impulse" So apparently the folks at VLTOR are a little brighter than the dummies at HK, must be part of that "new, less proud germany" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:]
You have it backwards. You must be an HK engineer
Accessories "push" forward under recoil. Normal keymod is correct. Like so, you mount your picatinny accessories against the front section of the rail slot. I was thinking, "Waiitttttt a minute...... I'm pretty dumb but I think that's backward for recoil impulse" So apparently the folks at VLTOR are a little brighter than the dummies at HK, must be part of that "new, less proud germany" Thank you for chiming in and saving me from having to show my dickmod ignorance.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:31:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except recoil pushes things forward so it's actually bad for actually shooting the gun. Also who doesn't love proprietary mags? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The advantage of reversing the dicks is that if you run into a wall or door frame with laser or flashlight mounted to it, it rams into the tip of the shaft and is held tightly, as opposed to being shoved into the scrotum and falling out. I was going to say that I can't believe the Army is adopting a weapon system with magazines aren't compatible with either the KAC SASS or the FN SCAR-H but nothing surprises me with the procurement system anymore. Except recoil pushes things forward so it's actually bad for actually shooting the gun. Also who doesn't love proprietary mags? Every magazine started as a proprietary design. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:34:13 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm actually shocked the MK20 supposedly made it to the finals yet KAC didn't. According to SSD, it was LMT, FNH, and H&K in the end with the solid steel G28E winning. I also wonder weight since the G28 weighs around 14lbs. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:35:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Why even replace our rifles when we have rifles that work? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I'm actually shocked the MK20 supposedly made it to the finals yet KAC didn't. According to SSD, it was LMT, FNH, and H&K in the end with the solid steel G28E winning. I also wonder weight since the G28 weighs around 14lbs. I have heard of durability issues with the KAC M110. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:38:43 PM EDT
[#43]
Heavy
|
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:51:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How does this HK compare to the SR25? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Seal guys last deployment had the 417, so I could seeThe Marines getting them. This sucks for KAC if true. How does this HK compare to the SR25? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:54:10 PM EDT
[#45]
The way government contracts for precision rifles obviously work:
Desk jockey officer: "Does it cost double what it should actually cost?" Sales rep: "Yes" Desk jockey officer: "Does it do absolutely nothing any better than its lower-priced competitor?" Sales rep: "Damn skippy." Desk jockey officer: "Does it use proprietary bullshit that we'll have to buy instead of the perfectly good alternative we already have in our supply line?" Sales rep: "You bet your ass it does!" Desk jockey officer: "Sounds like exactly what we need... one last question, do I get a nice cushy job with your company where I don't really have to do shit after I resign my commission?" Sales rep: "Absolutely." Desk jockey officer: "We'll take $80,000,000 worth." |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:57:16 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. That's...not how this works. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 10:59:19 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have heard of durability issues with the KAC M110. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'm actually shocked the MK20 supposedly made it to the finals yet KAC didn't. According to SSD, it was LMT, FNH, and H&K in the end with the solid steel G28E winning. I also wonder weight since the G28 weighs around 14lbs. I have heard of durability issues with the KAC M110. What's breaking on them? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 11:03:31 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's...not how this works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see HK continues to double down on wrong way dickmod. It makes sense from a German over-engineering standpoint. Regular dickmod can eventually work loose by sliding rearward towards the balls under recoil. By putting the nutsack forward, the recoil impulse just pushes the locking lug further secured towards the dicktip. That's...not how this works. Forget it, he's rolling. |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 11:08:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's breaking on them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm actually shocked the MK20 supposedly made it to the finals yet KAC didn't. According to SSD, it was LMT, FNH, and H&K in the end with the solid steel G28E winning. I also wonder weight since the G28 weighs around 14lbs. I have heard of durability issues with the KAC M110. What's breaking on them? |
|
|
|
Posted: 3/31/2016 11:40:26 PM EDT
[#50]
So I just remembered. Isn't solduersystems the ones who ran out and said CAG used a Colt 901 to face shoot Osama?
Eta: yep. Guess I wouldn't count our ducks yet on this "rumor" http://soldiersystems.net/2011/05/03/rumor-has-it/ |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
