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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:23:39 PM EDT
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I'm curious how "fuck" can harm a child when stated in public.
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:25:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, this is about speech. Someone said a bad word, you don't like bad word so you go and tell them off and stick your nose in their business. Said person tells you to mind your own after having decided to make it your job to police them. You then feel it is necessary to reaffirm them that no! It is your job to police them and thus you have the right to bash their face in to instill some civility into their heathen ways. You must see the hypocrisy in the situation. Also we have laws....that's enough to keep our civilization in order if the law is followed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought we were supposed to be the more mature, rational, and in control ones in this country. It's amazing that there's actually gun owners who are saying they will physically assault those who do not police their language when they tell them to. Seriously, let's bring civility to the uncivilized dogs of America and if they dare say anything to me I'll beat the civility into them! http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animalcrossing/images/2/26/Hypocrites-hypocrites-everywhere.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150211010523 No. Civilization has standards. Some mostly civilized people are willing to enforce those standards, when the need arises. Lest it all fall apart. What you are advocating is anarchy. No consequences. That's not how civil society works. As a matter of fact, that is one of the reasons why we have the 2nd Amendment. So that the biggest, meanest anarchist on the block doesn't get to set the standards for the rest of us. Nor do the least respectful and least disciplined. Again, this is about speech. Someone said a bad word, you don't like bad word so you go and tell them off and stick your nose in their business. Said person tells you to mind your own after having decided to make it your job to police them. You then feel it is necessary to reaffirm them that no! It is your job to police them and thus you have the right to bash their face in to instill some civility into their heathen ways. You must see the hypocrisy in the situation. Also we have laws....that's enough to keep our civilization in order if the law is followed. I get it. You have no respect for anyone. Your parents raised you that way. Society will try to use mild correction methods on you, at first. If those fail, society may try stronger corrective measures. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:28:28 PM EDT
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Your system is obviously not working when everyone else's kids( despite our wishes) have to listen to you acting a fool in a public place. I get it. You have no respect for anyone. Your parents raised you that way. Society will try to use mild correction methods on you, at first. If those fail, society may try stronger corrective measures. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought we were supposed to be the more mature, rational, and in control ones in this country. It's amazing that there's actually gun owners who are saying they will physically assault those who do not police their language when they tell them to. Seriously, let's bring civility to the uncivilized dogs of America and if they dare say anything to me I'll beat the civility into them! http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animalcrossing/images/2/26/Hypocrites-hypocrites-everywhere.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150211010523 No. Civilization has standards. Some mostly civilized people are willing to enforce those standards, when the need arises. Lest it all fall apart. What you are advocating is anarchy. No consequences. That's not how civil society works. As a matter of fact, that is one of the reasons why we have the 2nd Amendment. So that the biggest, meanest anarchist on the block doesn't get to set the standards for the rest of us. Nor do the least respectful and least disciplined. Again, this is about speech. Someone said a bad word, you don't like bad word so you go and tell them off and stick your nose in their business. Said person tells you to mind your own after having decided to make it your job to police them. You then feel it is necessary to reaffirm them that no! It is your job to police them and thus you have the right to bash their face in to instill some civility into their heathen ways. You must see the hypocrisy in the situation. Also we have laws....that's enough to keep our civilization in order if the law is followed. I get it. You have no respect for anyone. Your parents raised you that way. Society will try to use mild correction methods on you, at first. If those fail, society may try stronger corrective measures. You sure do use a lot of conjecture in your opinion of me. My mother raised me well. I however do cuss, and in public some, and if some holier than thou blowhard decided it was his job to police my language I would politely tell him to piss off and mind his own business and I'll mind mine. I unlike a lot in this thread, do not feel cussing is the end of civilizations. Edit: cussing in public isn't illegal, however physical assault unprovoked is..... |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:29:45 PM EDT
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I curse like a sailor when in appropriate company but when you're out in public and speaking in a manner that others will hear you it is best to speak politely and without profanity.
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:33:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're in the MYOB crowd on this, you're part of the problem. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:33:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You sure do use a lot of conjecture in your opinion of me. My mother raised me well. I however do cuss, and in public some, and if some holier than thou blowhard decided it was his job to police my language I would politely tell him to piss off and mind his own business and I'll mind mine. I unlike a lot in this thread, do not feel cussing is the end of civilizations. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I thought we were supposed to be the more mature, rational, and in control ones in this country. It's amazing that there's actually gun owners who are saying they will physically assault those who do not police their language when they tell them to. Seriously, let's bring civility to the uncivilized dogs of America and if they dare say anything to me I'll beat the civility into them! http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/animalcrossing/images/2/26/Hypocrites-hypocrites-everywhere.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150211010523 No. Civilization has standards. Some mostly civilized people are willing to enforce those standards, when the need arises. Lest it all fall apart. What you are advocating is anarchy. No consequences. That's not how civil society works. As a matter of fact, that is one of the reasons why we have the 2nd Amendment. So that the biggest, meanest anarchist on the block doesn't get to set the standards for the rest of us. Nor do the least respectful and least disciplined. Again, this is about speech. Someone said a bad word, you don't like bad word so you go and tell them off and stick your nose in their business. Said person tells you to mind your own after having decided to make it your job to police them. You then feel it is necessary to reaffirm them that no! It is your job to police them and thus you have the right to bash their face in to instill some civility into their heathen ways. You must see the hypocrisy in the situation. Also we have laws....that's enough to keep our civilization in order if the law is followed. I get it. You have no respect for anyone. Your parents raised you that way. Society will try to use mild correction methods on you, at first. If those fail, society may try stronger corrective measures. You sure do use a lot of conjecture in your opinion of me. My mother raised me well. I however do cuss, and in public some, and if some holier than thou blowhard decided it was his job to police my language I would politely tell him to piss off and mind his own business and I'll mind mine. I unlike a lot in this thread, do not feel cussing is the end of civilizations. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. John Adams Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnadams391045.html |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:36:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah, ID just tell you to mind your business and laugh. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So what happens to all of you sensitive types if the person you set out to ridicule and line out on proper public speech if they look you in the face and say "fuck off"? People like that usually aren't very bright. It's not hard to dress them down until they either STFU or try to take a swing. If they take a swing, they're in for a great big fucking surprise. Nah, ID just tell you to mind your business and laugh.  That is the beauty of free speech. You can act like a shit heel and I can treat you like one. In public. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:36:39 PM EDT
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Off to have dinner with my wife and girls.
No cussing at our table. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:39:46 PM EDT
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Lights get awful bright when someone is putting you under them. See, people are wonderful creatures. Even though most now days have few morals and little respect, when they see someone standing up for long forgotten values, they tend to support the person defending them and automatically vilify the shit heel that feels the need to make the world his toilet. Cashiers will remember you as that guy. Anyone within earshot will be either silently or publicly cheering the dressing down that you would be receiving. When people see someone doing something good like that they tend to join in. You leave red faced and angry or embarrassed. I and the others you see looking down on you have effectively ruined your day. Everyone that saw you in the confrontation now has an opinion of you. You never know when you will meet them again. Don't believe me? Look at the reaction people give the young kid that opens the door for people. Just because people don't apply those values today doesn't mean they won't support them when the time arises. The beauty of that is that if you act the way you describe, someone less controlled than I am will kick your shit in when you act in your shit heel manner. No one will feel sorry for you. Sooner or later it will happen, and as you bitch about some mean bully not letting you run your mouth in the way you like you will be icing your eye socket and bitching about mah freedoms. But I'm sure you would just smile and walk away. That is the beauty of free speech. You can act like a shit heel and I can treat you like one. In public.
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So what happens to all of you sensitive types if the person you set out to ridicule and line out on proper public speech if they look you in the face and say "fuck off"? People like that usually aren't very bright. It's not hard to dress them down until they either STFU or try to take a swing. If they take a swing, they're in for a great big fucking surprise. Nah, ID just tell you to mind your business and laugh. That is the beauty of free speech. You can act like a shit heel and I can treat you like one. In public.
I love the holier than thou attitude. It's an amazing thing to see a superiority complex in full display. Does it make you feel like a big man to look down upon the uncivilized dogs of this world who would dare to say a vulgure word in public? I would be fascinated to hear your opinion on the other downfalls of this Christian nation. What about bikinis? Nudity? Pornography? Non Christian music with less than moral lyrics? All of these could attribute to the downfall of our wholesome nation. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:48:08 PM EDT
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Same question as before: And what actual damage does it do if someone does this? When did you first hear sex talk? Did it damage you? How? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only way to give curse words any power is to freak out about them. They're just words....it's kind of retarded we make some phonetic phrases vulgar, yet another one that sounds different but means the exact same thing are ok around kids. It's like saying "bless you" after a sneeze, really, a silly holdout from long gone "polite" Victorian language. There's no fucking point in a rational society for exclamatory language to be bad and hidden from people. Frack your feelings about it, too. How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. Same question as before: And what actual damage does it do if someone does this? When did you first hear sex talk? Did it damage you? How? Are you a student of history? Many respected historians agree that many great empires/civilizations were not conquered, but crumbled from within. They had a total collapse of morality and degraded value system that lead to their decline. Greeks, Persians, Romans, etc. there are many examples. I'm sure you'll poo-poo the idea though. 
When a society no longer values good moral behavior, and immoral or bad behavior becomes the norm....then the decline begins. Good manners are a sign of self control and intelligence. Try it. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:50:26 PM EDT
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I have a theory on how people will respond. Another thread prompted me to start this one. While standing in line at the return desk an old man at the back of the line was bitching and moaning and about some incident in the parking lot. In addition to other profanity he dropped the F bomb. There was a father and a small daughter standing right in front of him. I turned around and chastised the old man asked him to watch his language as there was small children around. Should I have minded my own business? (If I was in Alabama should I have called the cops to have him arrested? )Your Alabama comment isn't completely correct. Yes, Disorderly Conduct covers offensive speech. The thread that got your panties in a wad isn't about offensive speech, it was about an entitled punk ass brat who threw an object at police who are trying to control a large typically unruly crowd. Why did you feel the need to chastise some guy for exercising his 1st Ammendment rights? You're no better than the cops your attempting to make fun of. Huh? I didn't say anything about what the 1st Amendment says. Your point? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:51:47 PM EDT
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Yes, you should have minded your own business. If you were truly worried about the small children being offended, then it's a job for those children's parents to chastise the old man. I curse like a sailor, in public and in private. I do try to watch it around children, but otherwise I just don't worry about it. I also don't worry about it when other people are cursing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a theory on how people will respond. Another thread prompted me to start this one. While standing in line at the return desk an old man at the back of the line was bitching and moaning and about some incident in the parking lot. In addition to other profanity he dropped the F bomb. There was a father and a small daughter standing right in front of him. I turned around and chastised the old man asked him to watch his language as there was small children around. Should I have minded my own business? (If I was in Alabama should I have called the cops to have him arrested? )Yes, you should have minded your own business. If you were truly worried about the small children being offended, then it's a job for those children's parents to chastise the old man. I curse like a sailor, in public and in private. I do try to watch it around children, but otherwise I just don't worry about it. I also don't worry about it when other people are cursing. Sometimes Crusty Adults need a little reminder... |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:53:52 PM EDT
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Yeah, I keep asking "how" and nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer. If it is damaging, then it is the standard for society, which means that any kid who gets to adulthood without hearing it is extremely unusual and probably has been so sheltered that the sheltering has done more damage than the word. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seeing adults act poorly can be harmful to children. Adult words/actions are the ONLY example kids get on how to act like an adult. Ever notice shit parents tend to turn out shit kids? The question is whether or not using "foul language" is a marker of a low class shitbag or not. That being said, I curse alot  Yeah, I keep asking "how" and nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer. If it is damaging, then it is the standard for society, which means that any kid who gets to adulthood without hearing it is extremely unusual and probably has been so sheltered that the sheltering has done more damage than the word. You seem focused on the words and not the behavior. Can't see the forest through the trees can you? That behavior around children is not acceptable in a polite society. I'd still like to live in a moral polite society. Sadly, we're circling the bowl. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The only way to give curse words any power is to freak out about them. They're just words....it's kind of retarded we make some phonetic phrases vulgar, yet another one that sounds different but means the exact same thing are ok around kids. It's like saying "bless you" after a sneeze, really, a silly holdout from long gone "polite" Victorian language. There's no fucking point in a rational society for exclamatory language to be bad and hidden from people. Frack your feelings about it, too. How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:55:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love the holier than thou attitude. It's an amazing thing to see a superiority complex in full display. Does it make you feel like a big man to look down upon the uncivilized dogs of this world who would dare to say a vulgure word in public? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:55:18 PM EDT
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The ER can be a pretty foul-language-rich environment as well (I think some of my older battle-axe ER nurses used to be truck-stop waitresses... And I'm no prude myself... )... But it's not done in front of patients, or kids. So, does it do any actual harm to kids? I'm not going to insert questionable vocabulary into kids' brains that may or may not need to be there... Though I see plenty of kids who already have it in there... And their parents feign surprise (but don't discipline them) when their darlings bust out with it in the ER. So, no actual harm. OK. You know, you and I should probably heed my fathers advice on this one..... "Never argue with a fool...he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:56:15 PM EDT
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Society needs to get back to having morals and standards, you did good.
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:58:57 PM EDT
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Society needs to get back to having morals and standards, you did good. Which particular words are "immoral"? Why is "fuck" immoral but "cuff" and "sexual intercourse" are moral? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 6:59:59 PM EDT
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You know, you and I should probably heed my fathers advice on this one..... "Never argue with a fool...he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience" Any time you can't answer simple questions, your best approach is to quit while you are ahead. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:00:29 PM EDT
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No, uncivilized dogs have an excuse. I don't frown upon those who know better. It bothers you that someone may take issue with your language in public. You have authority issues that most likely date back to childhood, but we have to leave that subject alone. As far as legality? It is just as legal for me to call you out and lecture you like a child as it is yours to act like one. Freedom and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the holier than thou attitude. It's an amazing thing to see a superiority complex in full display. Does it make you feel like a big man to look down upon the uncivilized dogs of this world who would dare to say a vulgure word in public? Never said it wasn't. Your free to try and lecture while I tell you to piss off and mind your own business. My issue came about when certain posters said that gave them the right to get physical as it was a "ultimatum and a threat" warranting of physical force. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:01:05 PM EDT
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I agree, we need to revoke the 1st. No one needs to have the ability to say naughty words. Imagine how great this country would be if we didn't have "curse" words in it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If you're in the MYOB crowd on this, you're part of the problem. I agree, we need to revoke the 1st. No one needs to have the ability to say naughty words. Imagine how great this country would be if we didn't have "curse" words in it. You seem to confuse free speech and being being polite/acting like a degenerate. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:01:11 PM EDT
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No, uncivilized dogs have an excuse. I don't frown upon those who know better. It bothers you that someone may take issue with your language in public. You have authority issues that most likely date back to childhood, but we have to leave that subject alone. As far as legality? It is just as legal for me to call you out and lecture you like a child as it is yours to act like one. Freedom and all that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the holier than thou attitude. It's an amazing thing to see a superiority complex in full display. Does it make you feel like a big man to look down upon the uncivilized dogs of this world who would dare to say a vulgure word in public? And it is legal to ignore you, just like it would be legal to ignore the Muslim guy who complains because your woman's head isn't wrapped in a blanket. Then what? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:03:11 PM EDT
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That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only way to give curse words any power is to freak out about them. They're just words....it's kind of retarded we make some phonetic phrases vulgar, yet another one that sounds different but means the exact same thing are ok around kids. It's like saying "bless you" after a sneeze, really, a silly holdout from long gone "polite" Victorian language. There's no fucking point in a rational society for exclamatory language to be bad and hidden from people. Frack your feelings about it, too. How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. Somebody gets it. Well said. I am also reminded that lots of kids grew up on farms where biology is on display all the time and some of those folks actually turned out to be good people. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:03:44 PM EDT
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Society needs to get back to having morals and standards, you did good. I agree. That's why we need to Ban pornography, women need to be clothed at all time, none of this scantilly clad bikini wearing as it is immoral, no vulgarity ever, no music outside of music with Christian morals and values, other music with immoral lyrics is damaging to society, no more prostitution, lewd dancing and behavior. Do you see where I'm going here? Morals wise, there's a lot of stuff going on worse than cussing. However I bet most advocating for the return of our Christian morals would be against stopping the things I listed above. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:04:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only way to give curse words any power is to freak out about them. They're just words....it's kind of retarded we make some phonetic phrases vulgar, yet another one that sounds different but means the exact same thing are ok around kids. It's like saying "bless you" after a sneeze, really, a silly holdout from long gone "polite" Victorian language. There's no fucking point in a rational society for exclamatory language to be bad and hidden from people. Frack your feelings about it, too. How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. "Ow" works for the rest of us. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:04:37 PM EDT
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Seeing adults act poorly can be harmful to children. Adult words/actions are the ONLY example kids get on how to act like an adult. Ever notice shit parents tend to turn out shit kids? The question is whether or not using "foul language" is a marker of a low class shitbag or not. That being said, I curse alot Yeah, I keep asking "how" and nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer. If it is damaging, then it is the standard for society, which means that any kid who gets to adulthood without hearing it is extremely unusual and probably has been so sheltered that the sheltering has done more damage than the word. You seem focused on the words and not the behavior. Can't see the forest through the trees can you? That behavior around children is not acceptable in a polite society. I'd still like to live in a moral polite society. Sadly, we're circling the bowl. The only element of that behavior that you are talking about is the words. Therefore, you ought to explain why those particular words are so much more magical than any other words. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:05:36 PM EDT
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I have a theory on how people will respond. Another thread prompted me to start this one. While standing in line at the return desk an old man at the back of the line was bitching and moaning and about some incident in the parking lot. In addition to other profanity he dropped the F bomb. There was a father and a small daughter standing right in front of him. I turned around and chastised the old man asked him to watch his language as there was small children around. Should I have minded my own business? (If I was in Alabama should I have called the cops to have him arrested? )Yes, you should have minded your own business. If you were truly worried about the small children being offended, then it's a job for those children's parents to chastise the old man. I curse like a sailor, in public and in private. I do try to watch it around children, but otherwise I just don't worry about it. I also don't worry about it when other people are cursing. Sometimes Crusty Adults need a little reminder... And if they tell you to fuck off because they don't think they need a nanny? What then? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:06:09 PM EDT
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If you're in the MYOB crowd on this, you're part of the problem. I agree, we need to revoke the 1st. No one needs to have the ability to say naughty words. Imagine how great this country would be if we didn't have "curse" words in it. You seem to confuse free speech and being being polite/acting like a degenerate. Didn't realize cussing=acting like a degenerate. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:08:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:08:45 PM EDT
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Are you a student of history? Many respected historians agree that many great empires/civilizations were not conquered, but crumbled from within. They had a total collapse of morality and degraded value system that lead to their decline. Greeks, Persians, Romans, etc. there are many examples. I'm sure you'll poo-poo the idea though.
When a society no longer values good moral behavior, and immoral or bad behavior becomes the norm....then the decline begins. Good manners are a sign of self control and intelligence. Try it. Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:10:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:10:34 PM EDT
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Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When a society no longer values good moral behavior, and immoral or bad behavior becomes the norm....then the decline begins. Good manners are a sign of self control and intelligence. Try it. Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. I bet they have no problem saying darn, dangit, shoot, crap, etc. Somehow those are less vulgar despite having the same meaning. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:10:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:11:16 PM EDT
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You really don't have to be a confrontational tool to point out that someone's being rude.
If it really bothered me, I might say something along the lines of, "I'm sorry, sir, but do you mind toning it down a bit? My son has a tendency to remember and repeat anything he hears, and it would make for an awkward conversation if he repeats what you're saying at school or in church." Now, the person in question might be rude in return, but that creates a teachable moment for the child. "Well, that was rude, wasn't it sweetheart? Rude people use rude words, and we don't want to be rude people, now do we?" |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:11:42 PM EDT
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Lights get awful bright when someone is putting you under them. See, people are wonderful creatures. Even though most now days have few morals and little respect, when they see someone standing up for long forgotten values, they tend to support the person defending them and automatically vilify the shit heel that feels the need to make the world his toilet. Cashiers will remember you as that guy. Anyone within earshot will be either silently or publicly cheering the dressing down that you would be receiving. When people see someone doing something good like that they tend to join in. You leave red faced and angry or embarrassed. I and the others you see looking down on you have effectively ruined your day. Everyone that saw you in the confrontation now has an opinion of you. You never know when you will meet them again. Don't believe me? Look at the reaction people give the young kid that opens the door for people. Just because people don't apply those values today doesn't mean they won't support them when the time arises. The beauty of that is that if you act the way you describe, someone less controlled than I am will kick your shit in when you act in your shit heel manner. No one will feel sorry for you. Sooner or later it will happen, and as you bitch about some mean bully not letting you run your mouth in the way you like you will be icing your eye socket and bitching about mah freedoms. But I'm sure you would just smile and walk away. That is the beauty of free speech. You can act like a shit heel and I can treat you like one. In public.
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So what happens to all of you sensitive types if the person you set out to ridicule and line out on proper public speech if they look you in the face and say "fuck off"? People like that usually aren't very bright. It's not hard to dress them down until they either STFU or try to take a swing. If they take a swing, they're in for a great big fucking surprise. Nah, ID just tell you to mind your business and laugh. That is the beauty of free speech. You can act like a shit heel and I can treat you like one. In public.
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:12:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:14:05 PM EDT
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John Adams would disagree with you, Padiwan. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.John Adams Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnadams391045.html How about just posting the quote where he said the "F" word would be the ruin of us all. Did he actually say "fuck" or did he just say "F word", knowing that every person who read it would be so well-acquainted with the word that they would know exactly which word he meant? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:14:18 PM EDT
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I've done the same OP. Unfortunately this country lacks class on a monumental scale. Which is one of there reasons we are having so many issues with uncivilized people today such as protesters blocking traffic, looting, and yelling vulgar language. Ass kicking and hickory shampoo like the old days would fix it fast. Since they are such a threat to civilization and the nation as a whole why not just shoot them? I mean such actions that will be the downfall of a nation must be stopped.  
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:14:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you a student of history? Many respected historians agree that many great empires/civilizations were not conquered, but crumbled from within. They had a total collapse of morality and degraded value system that lead to their decline. Greeks, Persians, Romans, etc. there are many examples. I'm sure you'll poo-poo the idea though. When a society no longer values good moral behavior, and immoral or bad behavior becomes the norm....then the decline begins. Good manners are a sign of self control and intelligence. Try it. Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. You also know that the lack of respect exemplified by public vulgarity is a major symptom of societal decline. Why do you favor declining morality and societal standards? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:15:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you a student of history? Many respected historians agree that many great empires/civilizations were not conquered, but crumbled from within. They had a total collapse of morality and degraded value system that lead to their decline. Greeks, Persians, Romans, etc. there are many examples. I'm sure you'll poo-poo the idea though. When a society no longer values good moral behavior, and immoral or bad behavior becomes the norm....then the decline begins. Good manners are a sign of self control and intelligence. Try it. Well, my question was how it harmed you. That would be the first step in determining how it harms a society as a whole. Strangely, there doesn't seem to be any real harm from hearing the word "fuck" or even "cuff". Yes, I am a student of history. If you have any actual evidence that dirty words have brought down any civilization, I would be interested to see it. But, strangely enough, I think that if you went back to ancient Rome and started yelling "fuck", no one would know what the hell you were talking about. So I doubt if it was the "F" word that did it. Alright Mr. 1st Amendment absolutist. I challenge you to go anywhere there is a large gathering of Black youths and start using the "N" word. I'm sure you'll be able to talk your way out of that using your finely honed debating skills. Explain to them that no harm was caused to them and I'm sure you'll all go have a cold drink somewhere.  |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:16:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOur Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.John Adams Read more at: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnadams391045.html See my sig
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:16:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:18:22 PM EDT
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If you're in the MYOB crowd on this, you're part of the problem. I agree, we need to revoke the 1st. No one needs to have the ability to say naughty words. Imagine how great this country would be if we didn't have "curse" words in it. This shit is just funny! We would be five times greater than we are if only all those people would stop saying "Fuck!" It pisses me off. Why the fuck won't these people listen? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:19:28 PM EDT
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So what happens to all of you sensitive types if the person you set out to ridicule and line out on proper public speech if they look you in the face and say "fuck off"? What are you gonna do? If they refuse to back down from your stern lecturing....what are you going to do about? And a quick trip to the pokey, too. We got an internet badass here. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:19:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:20:26 PM EDT
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So what happens to all of you sensitive types if the person you set out to ridicule and line out on proper public speech if they look you in the face and say "fuck off"? What are you gonna do? If they refuse to back down from your stern lecturing....what are you going to do about? And a quick trip to the pokey, too. We got an internet badass here. You must be from the city lol. I have seen guys get in fights and get ass kicking from arguing over who had the hottest woman, cleanest car, etc... and the leo told them to shake hands and don't cause any more issues for the night. ETA the more I read from you the more you remind me of one of the occupy tards. |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:20:55 PM EDT
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The loud 'Fuck you' set the bar. Don't be mad when your mouth writes checks your ass can't cash. I was civil when I asked you politely to mind your language. You chose to escalate. Yeah, do this repeatedly. Post videos of the results. You really don't understand how the law works, do you? |
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:22:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:23:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/19/2016 7:25:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The only way to give curse words any power is to freak out about them. They're just words....it's kind of retarded we make some phonetic phrases vulgar, yet another one that sounds different but means the exact same thing are ok around kids. It's like saying "bless you" after a sneeze, really, a silly holdout from long gone "polite" Victorian language. There's no fucking point in a rational society for exclamatory language to be bad and hidden from people. Frack your feelings about it, too. How far are you willing to let that go? Some pathetic thug going on, describing explicit sexual acts he wants to do to some other female he sees in a store accompanied with vulgar actions, in front of kids and old ladies? IMO, we have decay of manners and decency because this behavior is not called out. That's a different extreme. I'm talking about exclamatory words. "Oh fuck, hurt my hand". Why is that bad? It only is if we make "fuck" some double-secret super filthy word....when in context, it's not at all. Shouldn't be for kids, or old ladies, not 100 years ago, not 50 years ago, not in the military, not on the streets. Someone describing vulgar sex in front of children is more of an action than an issue of what words they use....but even then, it's nothing that a parent should be freaking out about. Your kids are going to hear VASTLY worse in elementary school, or on the internet, or at their friend's house. Better to use shit like that to explain things, rather than try to shield them from every ugliness. Ultimately, it doesn't hurt them or anyone else...no matter how crass. They'll learn manners by habit and example (yours), not what a thug in a store said. I heard all kinds of awful shit as a kid, I'm not a vulgar, rude person. |
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