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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:44:26 PM EDT
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For the people speculating about what the NSA can do, it does not matter. If the agency can get the phone open, they wont touch it , because this will end up in front of a court and its not worth divulging the capability.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:46:04 PM EDT
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Where would they go? Pretty much every country these days, would pull the same stunt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that's when Apple started the process to leave the US completely... Three... two... one. Where would they go? Pretty much every country these days, would pull the same stunt. There are countries that would welcome them in with open arms for the sheer amount of money they'd bring with them. Make no mistake, corporations can and probably will become their own states eventually. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:48:40 PM EDT
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For the people speculating about what the NSA can do, it does not matter. If the agency can get the phone open, they wont touch it , because this will end up in front of a court and its not worth divulging the capability. I agree. They might have already done it and used the Intel from it, but they will not let anyone else know. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:48:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the election this year goes south, there may very well be an "expansion" of the All Writs Act to encompass companies to leave a means of decryption for law enforcement on every device.  The feds in NY are already appealing to have a Drug Dealer's iPhone decrypted right now too, along with other similar suits working their way towards Apple. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don't understand how people, especially our fucktarded government employees, don't get this. The software the FBI wants Apple to use, to unlock this phone, DOES NOT EXIST. They didn't make a back door. There is no magic "unlock this" code that fixes the phone so the FBI can see all the porn this douche canoe was looking at. Can the .gov really force you to create something that doesn't exist specifically for their sole use? It's worse than that. Think like this: First its Apple, then who is next ? Who else could they force into this scheme ? What if Apple refuses and they are no longer allowed to sell their products. What if Apple pulled a "Ford" and refused to sell .gov Apple products due to the current suit ? Then Samsung ? Then Sony ? Who else ? If the election this year goes south, there may very well be an "expansion" of the All Writs Act to encompass companies to leave a means of decryption for law enforcement on every device. The feds in NY are already appealing to have a Drug Dealer's iPhone decrypted right now too, along with other similar suits working their way towards Apple. Why do they not grasp that as soon as that happens the means will be out in the wild? Do they honestly think that they can safeguard it? Is it hubris? Or is it something more sinister that I am going to need extra heavy duty tinfoil for? |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:48:48 PM EDT
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Dude, we're totalitarian already, most haven't gotten the message yet. This is just a big government version of the teacher punishing everyone in class for something one kid did. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:52:20 PM EDT
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Apple should just unlock the phone & walk away. Lol, they're the government's bitch at that unlock moment...you won't even see them going to court over anything like this. An agent will live on Campus in Cupertino. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:54:31 PM EDT
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I have not heard but I'm assuming the phone service provider has already turned over all text messages, phone records, saved voice mails. His email accounts are likely been cracked. What ELSE are they looking for??? The entire ISIS master plan and war strategy sitting in the IOS notes app? Ha! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apple should just unlock the phone & walk away. Their motive is to be able to unlock any phone at will, the dead terrorists phone conveniently fubared by the government is the leverage they need to get that ability. To quote Obama "Everybody’s walking around with a Swiss bank account in their pocket. So there has to be some concession for the need to get into that information." |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 3:59:12 PM EDT
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What do you think would happen after 94 million people have their $600 phones made non-functional? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that's when Apple started the process to leave the US completely... Three... two... one. Then apple phones were declared a consumer danger and started getting blocked for inport And ISPs and cell providers were ordered to discontinue service to all Apple products. What do you think would happen after 94 million people have their $600 phones made non-functional? The 94 Million Hippy March? |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:01:15 PM EDT
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The 94 Million Hippy March? Either one out of every three men, women, and children in the country is a hippy or you have a misconception about who uses them. 
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:08:47 PM EDT
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Either one out of every three men, women, and children in the country is a hippy or you have a misconception about who uses them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 94 Million Hippy March? Either one out of every three men, women, and children in the country is a hippy or you have a misconception about who uses them. Work provided me one. I feel pretty derpy and Kumbayaish when I unlock it and I look around for stuff to occupy. I'm not sure what app is installed by default, but the pot smoke fairly wafts out of it until I lock it again. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:09:53 PM EDT
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Dead terrorist. Has no rights... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apple should just unlock the phone & walk away. Slippery slope... In this instance yeah, why not, they were terrorist, fuck their rights!! Right? 10 years from now what happens when a new AWB is in play, and your labeled a domestic terrorist? Slippery slope... Dead terrorist. Has no rights... Apple, however, does. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:12:55 PM EDT
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yes, but they get breakthroughs in super massively parallel machines from a university. then they scale it up using their budget. Sure the universities know about the technology, but they cannot afford to build it. just like anyone can build an atomic bomb. few can afford the infrastructure required to manufacture the components. It comes down to simple economics. If you don't care what it costs, you can do things nobody else can. that's the strength of the USA and the strength of the NSA. they really don't care what it costs, and they can always ask for more money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I bet they do a ton of stuff In house. I know at one time they were the worlds largest employer of advanced math degree holders. I bet they still are. I bet their in-house ability to make breakthroughs in raw computing power is inferior to major university groups and large corporations dedicated to that task. Which is why they work WITH those groups. yes, but they get breakthroughs in super massively parallel machines from a university. then they scale it up using their budget. Sure the universities know about the technology, but they cannot afford to build it. just like anyone can build an atomic bomb. few can afford the infrastructure required to manufacture the components. It comes down to simple economics. If you don't care what it costs, you can do things nobody else can. that's the strength of the USA and the strength of the NSA. they really don't care what it costs, and they can always ask for more money. This and also, corporations are generally using their talent to generate revenue for the company. Universities are often using their talent for more traditional research purposes. The NSA's goals are not aligned with either of those. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:14:47 PM EDT
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Work provided me one. I feel pretty derpy and Kumbayaish when I unlock it and I look around for stuff to occupy. I'm not sure what app is installed by default, but the pot smoke fairly wafts out of it until I lock it again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 94 Million Hippy March? Either one out of every three men, women, and children in the country is a hippy or you have a misconception about who uses them. Work provided me one. I feel pretty derpy and Kumbayaish when I unlock it and I look around for stuff to occupy. I'm not sure what app is installed by default, but the pot smoke fairly wafts out of it until I lock it again. I've not experienced those results. Have you considered replacing the end user? |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:20:04 PM EDT
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Even if it didn't exist. The government can't get
Into the iPhone to get the info they want. So they are going to try and seize the source code from the company that made the phone..... Like their servers are less secure than the damn phone? Flawed logic |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:24:44 PM EDT
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I've not experienced those results. Have you considered replacing the end user? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The 94 Million Hippy March? Either one out of every three men, women, and children in the country is a hippy or you have a misconception about who uses them. Work provided me one. I feel pretty derpy and Kumbayaish when I unlock it and I look around for stuff to occupy. I'm not sure what app is installed by default, but the pot smoke fairly wafts out of it until I lock it again. I've not experienced those results. Have you considered replacing the end user? It's an iPhone4 so it's probably a legacy app. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:27:25 PM EDT
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Keep poking the bear, and you will be surprised what happens. You either assist the government in counter-terrorism court orders or you are part of the problem. Move your company out of the USA so our icky laws won't apply to you and your Rainbow coalition. Oh wow, that's the spirit.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:32:07 PM EDT
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They should modify the next version of the hardware to insert a hardware delay into the chipset to make rapid brute forcing 100% impossible even with a custom OS image. Just as a big fuck you.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:36:08 PM EDT
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They (the county) changed the iCloud account password on the server end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And if I remember right, they have already been in the phone. They (the county) changed the iCloud account password on the server end. Then the country should be charged with interfering with a federal investigation. And, yes, the IT people should have recognized the need to preserve evidence for a possible investigation. Just because an investigation hasn't been launched YET doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to preserve evidence. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:38:27 PM EDT
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It's the only way to be safe from terre-wrists.  The best bogeyman the govt could ever have. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:40:07 PM EDT
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They should modify the next version of the hardware to insert a hardware delay into the chipset to make rapid brute forcing 100% impossible even with a custom OS image. Just as a big fuck you. They did - long before this happened. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:40:32 PM EDT
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The best bogeyman the govt could ever have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's the only way to be safe from terre-wrists. The best bogeyman the govt could ever have. Truth. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:42:44 PM EDT
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DOJ threatened to seize iOS source code unless Apple complies with court order in FBI case The United States Department of Justice (DoJ) has slid a disturbing footnote in its court filing against Apple that could be interpreted as a threat to seize the iOS source code unless Apple complies with a court order in the FBI case.
If you have ever wondered what a government would look like that is way to big and way to tyrannical look no further than the US federal government. Any government big enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take everything you have. As much as I love my country and agree that it is the best place in the world for me, I never lose sight of the fact that in practice we are never more free than they allow us to believe we are. Our government has long forgotten that they work for us and not the other way around, something that I personally don't think will change until people start missing meals and wondering where all of their money has gone. I tell you one thing: if we had to sit down and write out a check every month to the government like we do our mortgage, our whole world would look completely different than it does today. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:42:56 PM EDT
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There are countries that would welcome them in with open arms for the sheer amount of money they'd bring with them. Make no mistake, corporations can and probably will become their own states eventually. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And that's when Apple started the process to leave the US completely... Three... two... one. Where would they go? Pretty much every country these days, would pull the same stunt. There are countries that would welcome them in with open arms for the sheer amount of money they'd bring with them. Make no mistake, corporations can and probably will become their own states eventually. Would be a nice "FU" to the US gov. to pick up and leave eventually. More nanny state laws and rulings will just help push more companies out. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:43:07 PM EDT
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Then the country should be charged with interfering with a federal investigation. And, yes, the IT people should have recognized the need to preserve evidence for a possible investigation. Just because an investigation hasn't been launched YET doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to preserve evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And if I remember right, they have already been in the phone. They (the county) changed the iCloud account password on the server end. Then the country should be charged with interfering with a federal investigation. And, yes, the IT people should have recognized the need to preserve evidence for a possible investigation. Just because an investigation hasn't been launched YET doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to preserve evidence. From what is being said they did it at the FBI's request. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:44:09 PM EDT
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Then the country should be charged with interfering with a federal investigation. And, yes, the IT people should have recognized the need to preserve evidence for a possible investigation. Just because an investigation hasn't been launched YET doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to preserve evidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And if I remember right, they have already been in the phone. They (the county) changed the iCloud account password on the server end. Then the country should be charged with interfering with a federal investigation. And, yes, the IT people should have recognized the need to preserve evidence for a possible investigation. Just because an investigation hasn't been launched YET doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to preserve evidence. Umm, the FBI asked them to change the password. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-asked-san-bernardino-to-reset-the-password-for-shooters-phone-backup/2016/02/20/21fe9684-d800-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:45:25 PM EDT
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It's all theater. Just like 75%+ of all "national security" concerns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't have a problem with Apple unlocking the phone and giving the data to the FBI. I do have a problem with the FBI demanding to know how it is done. They do not give a shit about this phone, they want the code to unlock future phones. Look at the investigation clusterfuck at the apartment. They do not seem to give a damn about this case. It's all theater. Just like 75%+ of all "national security" concerns. Yep. This was never driven home more clearly than my last time on an airplane. I live in suburban Detroit, minutes from the largest concentration of Arabic Muslims in the USA. When you fly out of DTW, they don't puff you for explosives but for some reason they do in San Francisco.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:46:33 PM EDT
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It's the only way to be safe from terre-wrists. The best bogeyman the govt could ever have. Truth. Indeed. Something less of a threat to Americans than Diabeetus now runs in the background of everything. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:46:34 PM EDT
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Meaningless. The NSA does not have a stranglehold on intelligent, ambitious cryptographers or computer scientists. When talking about brute forcing, which is what this quote chain is about, you're also running into limitations imposed by the laws of physics. The NSA can not get around those, period. They can employ methods which aren't brute force, but brute forcing hits a very hard limitation imposed by math and the universe itself. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC, it will take a supercomputer known supercomputers 40 years to break a 24 character password (with caps, lower case, numbers, and special characters) with a brute force attack. I'm betting that NSA has machines unheard of in the unclassified world that can do the job in a few months. If we're thinking about using one Cray XK7, NSA is probably ganging those together by the dozen to do the job. Remember, they've been working on 128 bit codes for over a decade already and have probably built some awesome machines to do the job. I think you overestimate the extent to which the NSA has an advantage over the private and university labs working on this, and the extent of the cross-over between, say, NSA and places like the University of Maryland. The NSA has plenty of secret techniques, I'm sure, but I doubt that they're ahead of the rest of the community in raw computing power. Let me lay your doubts to rest: http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51b20dd9eab8eaa874000001/heres-the-2-billion-facility-where-the-nsa-stores-and-analyzes-your-communications.jpg Meaningless. The NSA does not have a stranglehold on intelligent, ambitious cryptographers or computer scientists. When talking about brute forcing, which is what this quote chain is about, you're also running into limitations imposed by the laws of physics. The NSA can not get around those, period. They can employ methods which aren't brute force, but brute forcing hits a very hard limitation imposed by math and the universe itself. This right here. It's not just about the number of FLOPs you can crunch. There is not a significant difference in how much energy each processor operation takes between one architecture and the next. No matter what hardware I brute force on, it takes so many electrons to do each unit of work. One computer may just run more operations per second. The issue for decryption is that AES takes so many operations that there isn't enough energy on planet Earth to run a full brute force assuming current hardware was even fast enough. So, no, NSA does not have special super fast whiz bang computational resources that can zip through brute forcing. They MAY have mathematical shortcuts that can eliminate large swaths of possibilities or other crypto methods and knowledge they can bring to bear. The last time NSA enjoyed a HUGE advantage was when they had discovered differential cryptanalysis before the rest of the world. IBM stumbled upon it while developing DES but those guys were sworn to secrecy after NSA discovered the cat was out of the bag. And the Utah data center pictured elsewhere is just for storing everyone's dick pics. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:47:48 PM EDT
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Keep poking the bear, and you will be surprised what happens. You either assist the government in counter-terrorism court orders or you are part of the problem. Move your company out of the USA so our icky laws won't apply to you and your Rainbow coalition. So you think the .gov has a right to the contents of everyone's iPhone? Because if Apple gives in that's what they will have. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:47:55 PM EDT
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And Obama lets it slip out they want to break encryption to collect more taxes. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-legal-case-apple-inc-223034884--finance.html $$$$$$$$$$$ |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:50:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From what is being said they did it at the FBI's request.  |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:54:13 PM EDT
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Yo, totalitarians gotta totalariate. Yo.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:57:41 PM EDT
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Why do they not grasp that as soon as that happens the means will be out in the wild? Do they honestly think that they can safeguard it? Is it hubris? Or is it something more sinister that I am going to need extra heavy duty tinfoil for? We all thought the tinfoil was too tight before Snowden made it clear the tinfoilists were right. I fear the precedent this fight could set up, if it ultimately ends up as the SCOTUS ruling "yep, the .gov can force you to provide a service and create a product". Some .gov Lawyer: "Well, since the government is paying the developers, while they force them to provide a product under threat of imprisonment, fines or both, it's not technically slavery, see?" |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 4:58:58 PM EDT
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Apple should issue a press release; "In 7 days Apple will discontinue the release of all updates and support for current Apple products, cease selling all new Apple products in the US, and we will shut down iTunes and the Apple Store until the US government backs off. Apple customers upset by this should contact their Congressmen and Senators to demand the government cease its thuggish action against Apple, and we urge our customers to remember this is an election year and vote accordingly." Apple has the reach and power to politically nuke Washington, and in this case I'd love to see them spin up millions of Apple users into DEFCON1. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:01:28 PM EDT
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For the people speculating about what the NSA can do, it does not matter. If the agency can get the phone open, they wont touch it , because this will end up in front of a court and its not worth divulging the capability. Next up, secret courts that are illegal to even divulge knowledge of. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:01:28 PM EDT
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This right here. It's not just about the number of FLOPs you can crunch. There is not a significant difference in how much energy each processor operation takes between one architecture and the next. No matter what hardware I brute force on, it takes so many electrons to do each unit of work. One computer may just run more operations per second. The issue for decryption is that AES takes so many operations that there isn't enough energy on planet Earth to run a full brute force assuming current hardware was even fast enough. So, no, NSA does not have special super fast whiz bang computational resources that can zip through brute forcing. They MAY have mathematical shortcuts that can eliminate large swaths of possibilities or other crypto methods and knowledge they can bring to bear. The last time NSA enjoyed a HUGE advantage was when they had discovered differential cryptanalysis before the rest of the world. IBM stumbled upon it while developing DES but those guys were sworn to secrecy after NSA discovered the cat was out of the bag. And the Utah data center pictured elsewhere is just for storing everyone's dick pics. but they do know something about the cryptology involved. They know the universe of partial keys for both sets of values. The processors have a know hardware ID range. This eliminates a lot of possibilities. they are not factoring blindly. this reduces the pool of solutions. Depending on what the POST activities are when the phone is booted after being powered off, it may be possible to make some determinations that further reduce the universe of potential key values. they know when the phone was assembled. they know (or can guess the lead times for the components arriving at the factory) they can reduce the range of possible chip ID's from this. so the amount of energy involved isn't insurmountable. nor would it be impossible for them. just comes down to how much effort is it worth. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:01:29 PM EDT
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And that's when Apple started the process to leave the US completely... Three... two... one. Where would they go? Pretty much every country these days, would pull the same stunt. There are plenty of countries Apple could own outright by moving there. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:04:14 PM EDT
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Any Government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:08:06 PM EDT
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Apple should just unlock the phone & walk away. Slippery slope... In this instance yeah, why not, they were terrorist, fuck their rights!! Right? 10 years from now what happens when a new AWB is in play, and your labeled a domestic terrorist? Slippery slope... Dead terrorist. Has no rights... And the whole thing has nothing to do with the dead shithead or his rights. The phone and any data on it belongs to the County. The whole thing is about the heavy hand of .gov trying to force a private company to accede to it's wishes and actively work against it's own self-interest. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:10:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:12:25 PM EDT
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And Obama lets it slip out they want to break encryption to collect more taxes. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/obama-says-cannot-legal-case-apple-inc-223034884--finance.html "The question we now have to ask is: If technologically it is possible to make an impenetrable device or system where the encryption is so strong that there is no key, there's no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer, how do we solve or disrupt a terrorist plot?" he said. Detective work, dumbass. "What mechanisms do we have available to even do simple things like tax enforcement because if in fact you can't crack that at all, government can't get in, then everybody is walking around with a Swiss bank account in their pocket." Use the mechanism of the IRS. And everybody should have a Swiss bank account in their pocket, because the predatory, confiscatory US Government can't be trusted. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:12:26 PM EDT
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No doubt. What they have is probably decades ahead of what we know about. The F-117a was secret for quite a while before the public knew about it. There's no university/private equivalent of an F-117.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:16:27 PM EDT
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No doubt. What they have is probably decades ahead of what we know about. The F-117a was secret for quite a while before the public knew about it. There's no university/private equivalent of an F-117.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:19:58 PM EDT
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Have apple unlock the phone for the feds.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:20:35 PM EDT
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For the people speculating about what the NSA can do, it does not matter. If the agency can get the phone open, they wont touch it , because this will end up in front of a court and its not worth divulging the capability. Ding. But the gov is pretty good at the "parallel construction" game. Regardless, I think the gov is making way too many assumptions about what they'll find on that phone, and their OCD is in full control. Just let it go. I'd bet good money there is absolutely nothing of any value on it. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:27:01 PM EDT
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No doubt. What they have is probably decades ahead of what we know about. The F-117a was secret for quite a while before the public knew about it. There's no university/private equivalent of an F-117.
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:48:15 PM EDT
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Have apple unlock the phone for the feds. Then 24 hours later release a new ios with a completely different encryption system. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile An hour later a new Court Order is on Tim Cook's desk ordering Apple to provide the same tool for the new iOS. It never was about this phone or these people. It is the perfect case they have been waiting for to assert pressure for forcing businesses to assist in their investigations. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 7:42:51 PM EDT
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Why do they not grasp that as soon as that happens the means will be out in the wild? Do they honestly think that they can safeguard it? Is it hubris? Or is it something more sinister that I am going to need extra heavy duty tinfoil for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the election this year goes south, there may very well be an "expansion" of the All Writs Act to encompass companies to leave a means of decryption for law enforcement on every device.
The feds in NY are already appealing to have a Drug Dealer's iPhone decrypted right now too, along with other similar suits working their way towards Apple. Why do they not grasp that as soon as that happens the means will be out in the wild? Do they honestly think that they can safeguard it? Is it hubris? Or is it something more sinister that I am going to need extra heavy duty tinfoil for? PRECIDENT Just like how they are pointing and saying "Apple has unlocked phones before" right now, in the future it will be "They've decrypted before"... And then it will never end. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 10:37:25 PM EDT
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The government has "more guns" than Apple. They can do do anything they want; who will stop them? A stacked SCOTUS? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand how people, especially our fucktarded government employees, don't get this. The software the FBI wants Apple to use, to unlock this phone, DOES NOT EXIST. They didn't make a back door. There is no magic "unlock this" code that fixes the phone so the FBI can see all the porn this douche canoe was looking at. Can the .gov really force you to create something that doesn't exist specifically for their sole use? The government has "more guns" than Apple. They can do do anything they want; who will stop them? A stacked SCOTUS? If Apple is willing to make them use force by not lifting a finger to comply, even in the face of corporate destruction, that might cause a pause... or not, but either way something important would be learned. They'll probably cave is my guess. Such spine is virtually unheard of in our time. |
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Posted: 3/15/2016 10:41:24 PM EDT
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If Apple is willing to make them use force by not lifting a finger to comply, even in the face of corporate destruction, that might cause a pause... or not, but either way something important would be learned. They'll probably cave is my guess. Such spine is virtually unheard of in our time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't understand how people, especially our fucktarded government employees, don't get this. The software the FBI wants Apple to use, to unlock this phone, DOES NOT EXIST. They didn't make a back door. There is no magic "unlock this" code that fixes the phone so the FBI can see all the porn this douche canoe was looking at. Can the .gov really force you to create something that doesn't exist specifically for their sole use? The government has "more guns" than Apple. They can do do anything they want; who will stop them? A stacked SCOTUS? If Apple is willing to make them use force by not lifting a finger to comply, even in the face of corporate destruction, that might cause a pause... or not, but either way something important would be learned. They'll probably cave is my guess. Such spine is virtually unheard of in our time. They are threatening to seize software that apple has already released the source code to. Why would apple cave? |
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