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5 dollars says deep down inside she doesn't really comprehend that there are people out there who would gladly rape her over and over, especially if they have no fear of being killed.
If she is worried about the rapist finding religion, maybe she should consider the benefits of sending him to a face to face with God. |
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I'm honestly surprised at the responses here in GD. lol
Believe me, I've hit her with just about everything you all have suggested. I asked her what if her mom was being raped or someone was trying to kill me and her answer was the same. Certainly she understands what she is advocating but still feels as if it's the better alternative. The part that pissed me off the most was she legitimately almost started crying....for me. Because all I care about is myself and my safety and no one elses. I too believe that if the moment ever comes upon her, God forbid, she will have second thoughts and try and defend herself. She has pepper spray and a tiny ass dog, maybe that will help. The irony is whenever she gets spooked she calls me and I come over with my gun to check everything out. (We live within walking distance) I'm waiting for the day when she say tells me to either leave my gun or don't come. I hope she has 911 on speed dial. I mentioned to her about the story where the college chick was about to be attacked/raped and the guy got scared off and he went and raped and killed another girl. The first girl talks about what could have been if she was allowed to have her gun while on campus. I'm sure you all know the story. Didn't seem to phase her. Sadly I believe her horse is just a little too tall for her to get down. |
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I'm honestly surprised at the responses here in GD. lol Believe me, I've hit her with just about everything you all have suggested. I asked her what if her mom was being raped or someone was trying to kill me and her answer was the same. Certainly she understands what she is advocating but still feels as if it's the better alternative. The part that pissed me off the most was she legitimately almost started crying....for me. Because all I care about is myself and my safety and no one elses. I too believe that if the moment ever comes upon her, God forbid, she will have second thoughts and try and defend herself. She has pepper spray and a tiny ass dog, maybe that will help. The irony is whenever she gets spooked she calls me and I come over with my gun to check everything out. (We live within walking distance) I'm waiting for the day when she say tells me to either leave my gun or don't come. I hope she has 911 on speed dial. I mentioned to her about the story where the college chick was about to be attacked/raped and the guy got scared off and he went and raped and killed another girl. The first girl talks about what could have been if she was allowed to have her gun while on campus. I'm sure you all know the story. Didn't seem to phase her. Sadly I believe her horse is just a little too tall for her to get down. View Quote Interestingly enough, my wife held a similar viewpoint when we first started dating. It changed drastically when we had kids. She is now in the process of getting her CHL and has her own firearms. If she doesnt have kids yet, her protective mama instinct may have not kicked in yet. |
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I have been in the situation where I was pointing a 1911 at a guy advancing on me, safety off, squeezing the trigger. Thankfully, he stopped in the last millimeter of trigger travel. Didn't bother me at the time at all. Cold as ice. However, it bothered me something fierce a few months later. Hit me in the shower while I was getting ready to go to work. Still bothers me from time to time. I didn't do anything wrong - in fact I was doing the right thing. However, crossing that line to where you *KNOW*, no bullshit, that you would have killed someone has consequences- at least for me. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If I were threatened with murder or rape, I would feel bad every time I pulled the trigger. And I would eventually get over it. I'd have beer and go to bed. Hopefully that would do it. Meh. I'd just feel recoil. Or maybe not, depending on the adrenaline. I don't think I would feel bad. I think I would be angry for them making me do it, and the inconvenience it would most likely cause. And the concern that there was someone out there that did care enough about them for revenge. And my hearing. When all they had to do was not fuck with people. I have been in the situation where I was pointing a 1911 at a guy advancing on me, safety off, squeezing the trigger. Thankfully, he stopped in the last millimeter of trigger travel. Didn't bother me at the time at all. Cold as ice. However, it bothered me something fierce a few months later. Hit me in the shower while I was getting ready to go to work. Still bothers me from time to time. I didn't do anything wrong - in fact I was doing the right thing. However, crossing that line to where you *KNOW*, no bullshit, that you would have killed someone has consequences- at least for me. And that's why I think I would be angry at someone for possibly messing with my head like that. For forcing me into that situation. Even though I know I was in the right. |
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I've posted this before - allow me to offer it again:
One of the most satisfying ways of dealing with "intellectual" anti-gunners who complain that "guns are made to kill people" is to agree with them. They're expecting you to negotiate, you know, describe things in vague, genteel fashion... explaining that the "weapon is a tool", "guns don't kill people yadda yadda" and attempt to stay among the "civilised" (sp intentional) folks, so they can knock your argument down with "I'd just feel better" or "If it only saved one life" or another emotionally based - and thus irrefutable - argument. So instead of arguing, say "You're absolutely right" and smile. For a second after you say that you'll get the "WTF?" look. In that moment it's time. <feral grin> Embrace your inner Neanderthal. Tell them that many of mankind's greatest technological advances have been in the means of killing one another - clubs, knives, swords, axes, spears, arrows, gunpowder, cannon, muskets, rifles, handguns. We've been improving our lethality since we first started using tools, and if another means that is more efficient and user-friendly as firearms is invented, I'll take advantage of that as well. But for today? I choose a firearm. Why? As the "old west" saw goes, "G-d didn't make man equal, Colonel Colt did". There's no guarantee my potential assailant is someone I could overpower, nor is there a guarantee they're in the right mental state to discuss things. And one does not meet a lethal force incident without an adequate response. Tasers don't always work, and pepper spray not only takes several second - if it works at all - but it contaminates the entire area, and people train to fight through it. Once a human has shown behavior that indicates enough of a threat of death or great bodily harm to another, the time for discussion and identification is over, as they have shown a willingness to abandon the Rousseauian social contract that allows us to interact politely and we have now jumped into Hobbes' natural existence. So while I'm not eager about it, if it comes time to use a firearm, then the time for any sort of rational discussion or appeal to logic (like most anti-gunners favor) is out the window. In that moment I want to be able to eliminate any threat or threats to me or my family's safety as quickly as possible. No discussion. No consideration of "feelings". No contemplation of "societal pre-conditioning", "institutional denial of opportunity" or any other psycho-social bullshit excuses for criminality. In the words of Captain Caveman "It's clobberin' time". At that point all I want is the most amount of STOPITRIGHTTHEF*CKNOW to the bad guy for the buck, as well as any buddies he brought with him. I don't want to engage in a bare knuckles fistfight with a crackhead who can't feel pain just because you think I can't be trusted with a gun. I don't want my wife to try to get up close and personal with a criminal who is bigger or heavier than her because it makes you or anyone else who chooses not to own a gun "feel better". I don't want to run out of ammo when I'm trying to stop multiple attackers because someone in Washington who doesn't even like guns chose an arbitrary number of rounds as "all I needed". God forbid the situation presents itself for any of us. That said, if you want to get into a scrap with a home intruder feel free, but do not try to limit my ability to protect myself and my family because of your insecurities or unwillingness to assume the same responsibility. Ever since South v. Maryland in 1858, and in nearly three score of cases since, the courts have held that the government has no affirmative duty to protect the individual citizen. I want to be able to eliminate the threat to me or my family's safety in the fastest, easiest way possible, and right now? That way, my choice, is a firearm. Don't like guns? Then don't buy one, don't use one and don't associate with those that do; but if you allow your sense of moral or intellectual superiority to try to override my choice for the protection of myself and the ones I love? Then you're no better than those that would do me harm for their own fun or profit. View Quote |
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I'm going to say something that will probably piss off both sides.
God's grace covers either position in the OP's debate. |
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She may prefer rape to killing someone, that is her choice. But I'll bet OP would not allow her to be so abused. I may be willing to give my life to save someone, but I am not willing to let that someone be harmed or die if my actions could save them. In other words, if someone was using deadly force against a loved one, I would kill the perp to save the loved one's life. Even if the loved one does not want me to. I have a higher calling than to let evil prevail.
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Quoted: Good for her. I can understand her preference to be harmed rather than to inflict harm. But tell her that by attempting to deny others the option of protecting themselves, she's being a selfish cunt. View Quote So ask her if she is just going to stand by and watch her daughter get raped repeatedly, or killed. Teh feelz that some people have .... |
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I would suggest that the female referenced by the OP read the story of what happened to Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome.
There are things that hood rats can (and will) do to you that are far worse than mere rape, if she's OK with all that happening to her and anyone she might care about, then so be it. |
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Ask her if she would rather have her version of morality survive or her rapist, aggressor or murderer's?
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Quoted: The argument that was made was: Guns only have one purpose which is to kill, whether that be in self defense or not which again, we can all agree on. View Quote umm no |
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I'm going to say something that will probably piss off both sides. God's grace covers either position in the OP's debate. View Quote Yep, I think that's true too, no argument from me on that. Op, tell her it's ok for Christians to value their own and their family's lives, to defend themselves, and even *gasp* enjoy sex. Seems like lib mentality gets stuck on "guns are bad-bad-bad" and it blocks all logic. It then extends into "self defense is bad-bad-bad" and it keeps going until all common sense is just gone. Tell her to be careful about calling evil good and good evil. Onward Christian Soldiers! |
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I have a Aunt that was raped,shot 3 times and left for dead that would probably disagree.. but if your friend wants to lay down get comfortable and be raped to death more power to her |
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Quoted: Ask her how she would react if say..her daughter were being assaulted or raped. View Quote I'm an analogy guy. I like to teach with analogies. OP, next time you meet her tell her this: Let's imagine that we are at a picnic table and we are at a park watching kids play at a playground near by. Her kids are playing, she assumes my kids are playing. Now tell her that imagine if I were to take out a firearm and lay it down on the table. And I'm going to take out a cell phone and lay it down right beside the firearm. Now I'm going to take a baseball bat and I'm going to beat you over and over again and rape you and kill you. Then I'm going to go over to that playground and rape and kill your kids. Then I'm going to find out where you lived, and wait there until your husband comes home and rape and kill him. Thru this process, I'll find out where your parents live.....Now you have a choice. |
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I used to know a chick that had the same attitude. She was not a Christian, but she was a rape victim. Her words: "A rape only lasts a few minutes. Taking a life is forever. I'd rather be raped again than take a life. I know I can survive it." I just told her that's fine for her, but she doesn't have the right to make that decision for every woman in America. View Quote What if he gave her aids? |
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Did you say that you agreed that whether it be offensive or defensive, all guns were designed to kill?
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Catholic Catechism 2263-2264 explains in the most astute words of St.Thomas Aquinas, that self defense is moral if defending your life or someone else's.
http://www.catholiclane.com/the-catechism-on-the-right-of-self-defense/ |
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Did you say that you agreed that whether it be offensive or defensive, all guns were designed to kill? Plenty of guns were designed and intended for target shooting. View Quote Touche. But in this debate we're debating the bodily harm and loss of life aspect. I'm assuming if I said this to her she would change her response to: "Guns serve no purpose other than to kill whether in self defense or not. And those created with other intentions are not necessities in life and can be easily used to take someones life." |
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I'm honestly surprised at the responses here in GD. lol Believe me, I've hit her with just about everything you all have suggested. I asked her what if her mom was being raped or someone was trying to kill me and her answer was the same. Certainly she understands what she is advocating but still feels as if it's the better alternative. The part that pissed me off the most was she legitimately almost started crying....for me. Because all I care about is myself and my safety and no one elses. I too believe that if the moment ever comes upon her, God forbid, she will have second thoughts and try and defend herself. She has pepper spray and a tiny ass dog, maybe that will help. The irony is whenever she gets spooked she calls me and I come over with my gun to check everything out. (We live within walking distance) I'm waiting for the day when she say tells me to either leave my gun or don't come. I hope she has 911 on speed dial. I mentioned to her about the story where the college chick was about to be attacked/raped and the guy got scared off and he went and raped and killed another girl. The first girl talks about what could have been if she was allowed to have her gun while on campus. I'm sure you all know the story. Didn't seem to phase her. Sadly I believe her horse is just a little too tall for her to get down. View Quote Sounds like you have hit her with everything except what she really wants... Your cock. |
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She's never seen images of knife wounds I bet. She's probably thinking it's all hollywood where it's a pretty cut that you just shrug off and walk away from like those actions heroes do. I got to see some really nasty ones from my security training on my last ship. It was to remind us to not discount knife threats. And the image I remember was one where the officer walked away from (kinda)... it was a long snaking gouge down his back where he's lucky it didn't cut into his spine. but libtards are going to libtard View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Anyways, this person kept asking "wouldn't you rather be beaten up or stabbed rather than shot?" Implying that you have a better chance of survival after being stabbed or beaten.
She's never seen images of knife wounds I bet. She's probably thinking it's all hollywood where it's a pretty cut that you just shrug off and walk away from like those actions heroes do. I got to see some really nasty ones from my security training on my last ship. It was to remind us to not discount knife threats. And the image I remember was one where the officer walked away from (kinda)... it was a long snaking gouge down his back where he's lucky it didn't cut into his spine. but libtards are going to libtard a long time ago I saw some cuts on a couple of folks at the labor camp across the street made with a straight razor I will shoot the fuck out of you if you come at me with one of those |
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