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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:18:09 AM EDT
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Do you ever see us getting it back? It seems highly unlikely. Politicians would have to begin telling the American people some very unpleasant truths. I don't think that will happen, |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:18:27 AM EDT
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I would honestly say you might be right on that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......................... There hasn't been a time since Reconstruction that the Federal government has been less respectable than now, even when one considers big government socialist shitbags like FDR, LBJ, the Kennedys, or incompetent boobs like Jimmy Carter. I would honestly say you might be right on that one. As much as Obama sucks, FDR was worse. He almost single-handedly created the socialist welfare state we have today, and threatened to just pack the Court if he didn't get his way. Everyone since has just added a few bricks to his enormous foundation. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:20:28 AM EDT
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...... As much as Obama sucks, FDR was worse. He almost single-handedly created the socialist welfare state we have today, and threatened to just pack the Court if he didn't get his way. Everyone since has just added a few bricks to his enormous foundation. Good point. But I wasn't just talking about presidents........I was talking about the Federal government as a whole and politicians as a whole. Still though...........good point. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:20:45 AM EDT
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It seems highly unlikely. Politicians would have to begin telling the American people some very unpleasant truths. I don't think that will happen, Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do you ever see us getting it back? It seems highly unlikely. Politicians would have to begin telling the American people some very unpleasant truths. I don't think that will happen, Unfortunately, few people thee days understand or care about the legitimate role of the federal government. All they want to hear about from a candidate is how that candidate can get them better jobs, improve their own lots in life, etc. And the rest flows from that. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:21:06 AM EDT
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Nope. It's called a WARRANT, specifically allowed under the Fourth Amendment. Apple is in a precarious position.... they intentionally developed the security features on their phones to prevent government access, so they become a de facto co-conspirator to whatever crimes they can reasonably forsee their security feature being used to further. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And the federal government oversteps its authority yet again. Nope. It's called a WARRANT, specifically allowed under the Fourth Amendment. Apple is in a precarious position.... they intentionally developed the security features on their phones to prevent government access, so they become a de facto co-conspirator to whatever crimes they can reasonably forsee their security feature being used to further. It seem the court is asking Apple to CREATE a system to do their dirty work. I doubt that there is any Constitutional precedent for this as a duty for Apple to assume. Tim Cook is still just folding his arms and saying "No Way Jose". This is not his first dance on this type of issue. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:21:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:26:25 AM EDT
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I'm OK with this. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Apple will not unlock it. Ban sales of Apple products in the US. I would rather ban muslims. I'm OK with this. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:32:13 AM EDT
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How much are you going to sell it for? I might buy it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remind me to create a security app that scrambles the data and resets the date to January 1st, 1970. How much are you going to sell it for? I might buy it. Apple has already announced that they have a patch for that issue and it will be included in the next software update. There is also a patch available now for those with JailBroken iPhones on the Cydia site. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:36:35 AM EDT
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I think one of the issues is that the encryption on the phone is part of the fight back against that town-sized collection of supercomputers. Handing over the software necessary to allow them to brute-force the phone is a massive step towards undermining the fight. On a separate note, I think you've spelled "Windowlicker" wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, we have a town sized collection of supercomputers that are being used against private citizens everyday in violation of the constitutional protections we have - no outcry. Old news. Two dead jihadis, though? This phone is the line in the sand for the 4th amendment? I think one of the issues is that the encryption on the phone is part of the fight back against that town-sized collection of supercomputers. Handing over the software necessary to allow them to brute-force the phone is a massive step towards undermining the fight. On a separate note, I think you've spelled "Windowlicker" wrong. If so, great. I have little understanding of technology. That said, tech issues aside, do you actually believe that if these keys are available that this government does not have them tucked away? Facist economic systems work to enrich the interests of both parties. That's the game they play. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:36:57 AM EDT
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Unfortunately, few people thee days understand or care about the legitimate role of the federal government. Some of the hard truths involve matters which are squarely within the proper function of the Federal government. I do agree that many (perhaps most) Americans are not ready to hear those truths, in the highly unlikely event that some politician were to begin telling them. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:40:27 AM EDT
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It seem the court is asking Apple to CREATE a system to do their dirty work. In the "good old days" the surveillance authorities developed their own technology with which to spy. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:55:06 AM EDT
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In the "good old days" the surveillance authorities developed their own technology with which to spy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seem the court is asking Apple to CREATE a system to do their dirty work. In the "good old days" the surveillance authorities developed their own technology with which to spy. If its technically feasible then certainly the .gov can do the job. They just want apple to spend its time and money so the .gov doesnt have to expend resources. Furthermore the .gov doing it themselves is an admission that they can do it, and thus motivation for criminals to increase security in communication even more. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 9:59:51 AM EDT
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I would honestly say you might be right on that one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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......................... There hasn't been a time since Reconstruction that the Federal government has been less respectable than now, even when one considers big government socialist shitbags like FDR, LBJ, the Kennedys, or incompetent boobs like Jimmy Carter. I would honestly say you might be right on that one. And yet no matter what .gov tries to do there's still a number of spineless coward shills here that stick up for them and make freedom lovers out to be the bad guys. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:01:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryA Message to Our Customers
The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand. This moment calls for public discussion, and we want our customers and people around the country to understand what is at stake. The Need for Encryption Smartphones, led by iPhone, have become an essential part of our lives. People use them to store an incredible amount of personal information, from our private conversations to our photos, our music, our notes, our calendars and contacts, our financial information and health data, even where we have been and where we are going. All that information needs to be protected from hackers and criminals who want to access it, steal it, and use it without our knowledge or permission. Customers expect Apple and other technology companies to do everything in our power to protect their personal information, and at Apple we are deeply committed to safeguarding their data. Compromising the security of our personal information can ultimately put our personal safety at risk. That is why encryption has become so important to all of us. For many years, we have used encryption to protect our customers’ personal data because we believe it’s the only way to keep their information safe. We have even put that data out of our own reach, because we believe the contents of your iPhone are none of our business. The San Bernardino Case We were shocked and outraged by the deadly act of terrorism in San Bernardino last December. We mourn the loss of life and want justice for all those whose lives were affected. The FBI asked us for help in the days following the attack, and we have worked hard to support the government’s efforts to solve this horrible crime. We have no sympathy for terrorists. When the FBI has requested data that’s in our possession, we have provided it. Apple complies with valid subpoenas and search warrants, as we have in the San Bernardino case. We have also made Apple engineers available to advise the FBI, and we’ve offered our best ideas on a number of investigative options at their disposal. We have great respect for the professionals at the FBI, and we believe their intentions are good. Up to this point, we have done everything that is both within our power and within the law to help them. But now the U.S. government has asked us for something we simply do not have, and something we consider too dangerous to create. They have asked us to build a backdoor to the iPhone. Specifically, the FBI wants us to make a new version of the iPhone operating system, circumventing several important security features, and install it on an iPhone recovered during the investigation. In the wrong hands, this software — which does not exist today — would have the potential to unlock any iPhone in someone’s physical possession. The FBI may use different words to describe this tool, but make no mistake: Building a version of iOS that bypasses security in this way would undeniably create a backdoor. And while the government may argue that its use would be limited to this case, there is no way to guarantee such control. The Threat to Data Security Some would argue that building a backdoor for just one iPhone is a simple, clean-cut solution. But it ignores both the basics of digital security and the significance of what the government is demanding in this case. In today’s digital world, the "key” to an encrypted system is a piece of information that unlocks the data, and it is only as secure as the protections around it. Once the information is known, or a way to bypass the code is revealed, the encryption can be defeated by anyone with that knowledge. The government suggests this tool could only be used once, on one phone. But that’s simply not true. Once created, the technique could be used over and over again, on any number of devices. In the physical world, it would be the equivalent of a master key, capable of opening hundreds of millions of locks — from restaurants and banks to stores and homes. No reasonable person would find that acceptable. The government is asking Apple to hack our own users and undermine decades of security advancements that protect our customers — including tens of millions of American citizens — from sophisticated hackers and cybercriminals. The same engineers who built strong encryption into the iPhone to protect our users would, ironically, be ordered to weaken those protections and make our users less safe. We can find no precedent for an American company being forced to expose its customers to a greater risk of attack. For years, cryptologists and national security experts have been warning against weakening encryption. Doing so would hurt only the well-meaning and law-abiding citizens who rely on companies like Apple to protect their data. Criminals and bad actors will still encrypt, using tools that are readily available to them. A Dangerous Precedent Rather than asking for legislative action through Congress, the FBI is proposing an unprecedented use of the All Writs Act of 1789 to justify an expansion of its authority. The government would have us remove security features and add new capabilities to the operating system, allowing a passcode to be input electronically. This would make it easier to unlock an iPhone by "brute force,” trying thousands or millions of combinations with the speed of a modern computer. The implications of the government’s demands are chilling. If the government can use the All Writs Act to make it easier to unlock your iPhone, it would have the power to reach into anyone’s device to capture their data. The government could extend this breach of privacy and demand that Apple build surveillance software to intercept your messages, access your health records or financial data, track your location, or even access your phone’s microphone or camera without your knowledge. Opposing this order is not something we take lightly. We feel we must speak up in the face of what we see as an overreach by the U.S. government. We are challenging the FBI’s demands with the deepest respect for American democracy and a love of our country. We believe it would be in the best interest of everyone to step back and consider the implications. While we believe the FBI’s intentions are good, it would be wrong for the government to force us to build a backdoor into our products. And ultimately, we fear that this demand would undermine the very freedoms and liberty our government is meant to protect. Tim Cook |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:02:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryExactly. What they are asking for in reality is the capacity to hack everybody's phone. Nuts to that. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:05:09 AM EDT
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For all of the "Screw Apple" sentiment posted on this board, do you see Samsung, Sony, Google or any other maker taking this stance? I bet the Screw Apple team never thought that they would see them [Apple] being defenders of freedom while they are rapidly trying to work their brains around supporting more government intrusion and spying to merely yet again say, "screw Apple".
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:06:07 AM EDT
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I must admit, at first I was very much for apple helping them out cracking the phone. The information on that phone is most likely VERY important and will hopefully provide leads to other people involved.
HOWEVER, I did not fully understand what they were asking apple to do here. Now that I realize they are asking them to create an entire new software system in that will in theory allow the government access to any iPhone out there, I side with Apple / GD on the matter. I do hope somehow the information on the phone is accessed, but I also hope apple stands firm on their stance of "will not comply". |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:11:56 AM EDT
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Fuck the Federal Government. Fuck be upon them.
I'm no fan of Apple, by and large, but kudos to them for saying no to this. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:12:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe government won't make the mistake of forgetting to add a gag order in all future cases. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:12:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For all of the "Screw Apple" sentiment posted on this board, do you see Samsung, Sony, Google or any other maker taking this stance? I bet the Screw Apple team never thought that they would see them [Apple] being defenders of freedom while they are rapidly trying to work their brains around supporting more government intrusion and spying to merely yet again say, "screw Apple". Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word  . |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:13:31 AM EDT
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If Apple will not unlock it. Ban sales of Apple products in the US. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:15:54 AM EDT
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Snip... Quote HistoryI actually side with Tim Cook on something. The ground feels awfully cold. Good job, Apple. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:17:15 AM EDT
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I wonder if they tried the guys thumb print to unlock the phone?
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:19:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryTim I'll gladly buy an Iphone 7 when they come out. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:20:52 AM EDT
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I wonder if they tried the guys thumb print to unlock the phone? The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:22:18 AM EDT
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It's funny to me that Apple's stance came after "The Fappening."
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:23:06 AM EDT
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I actually side with Tim Cook on something. The ground feels awfully cold. Good job, Apple. I've agreed with opinions authored by Ruth Bader Ginsburg a time or two. It would be nice if Mr. Cook and those like him would apply the thinking here to other aspects of life, but I'll take what I can get. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:23:34 AM EDT
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The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they tried the guys thumb print to unlock the phone? The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. I hope all this isn't about forcing an IOS handset to unlock the home screen without the "password". |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:24:55 AM EDT
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Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word .
I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:25:11 AM EDT
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The government won't make the mistake of forgetting to add a gag order in all future cases. Quote HistoryQuoted:
The government won't make the mistake of forgetting to add a gag order in all future cases. "Mistake"? They want this in the public, the whole thing is a dog and pony show to get new laws mandating back doors. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:25:36 AM EDT
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The Woz would have opened it on the second try, using a whistle from a cerial box Now that made me laugh |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:27:05 AM EDT
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The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they tried the guys thumb print to unlock the phone? The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. Not familiar with Apple's implementation, but fingerprint scanners are (where, maybe?) notoriously easy to hack. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:29:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word .I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:29:51 AM EDT
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Listening to a radio show right know (MARK DAVIS) and he's got a guy on explaining this pretty well to me...a layman.
Sounds like the FBI doesn't want to unlock just this phone but a "key" to unlock others and they're using this case to get it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:30:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I must admit, at first I was very much for apple helping them out cracking the phone. The information on that phone is most likely VERY important and will hopefully provide leads to other people involved. HOWEVER, I did not fully understand what they were asking apple to do here. Now that I realize they are asking them to create an entire new software system in that will in theory allow the government access to any iPhone out there, I side with Apple / GD on the matter. I do hope somehow the information on the phone is accessed, but I also hope apple stands firm on their stance of "will not comply". Ditto. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:32:23 AM EDT
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Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word .
I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. dat cloud backup yo.. i wonder how my handset talks to your handset in a non sms communication like facetime or message, some type of key exchange to identify the systems... Based on my experience with ios lockouts I am surprised they are having an issue accessing it, imaging it, and then accessing the filesystem not generally exposed to the users. but it makes interesting coffee time talk. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:32:56 AM EDT
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Listening to a radio show right know (MARK DAVIS) and he's got a guy on explaining this pretty well to me...a layman. Sounds like the FBI doesn't want to unlock just this phone but a "key" to unlock others and they're using this case to get it. The people at the FBI may well just want to unlock this particular phone. The problem is that getting such a thing would give them the key to lots of other phones. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:33:43 AM EDT
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Why doesn't the FBI just ask for help from the NSA?
Guess that would prove the US Government does spy on American citizens. 
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:34:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I didn't know that I had to enable the auto-nuke feature on my iPhone. It is now turned on. Thanks for the info.  I don't use the feature because occasionally my GF and I use one-another's phone and I don't need all my shit disappearing because she was playing with it. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:34:43 AM EDT
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Apple can't help. They designed the phone so it's not possible to provide the data or the software the FBI wants, if what's been reported is true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The owner is dead, and the phone is evidence in a mass crime. I think Apple owes it to American national security to help. ETA: there's a valid warrant for the phone data. Privacy is a myth anyway. I'm shocked that the .gov doesn't have a backdoor into the phone as it is. Makes me glad I have an iPhone. Apple can't help. They designed the phone so it's not possible to provide the data or the software the FBI wants, if what's been reported is true. This makes me happy.
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:36:09 AM EDT
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Listening to a radio show right know (MARK DAVIS) and he's got a guy on explaining this pretty well to me...a layman. Sounds like the FBI doesn't want to unlock just this phone but a "key" to unlock others and they're using this case to get it. The FBI may want that, but that's not what the judge granted. Read the actual court order at the bottom of the article linked in the OP. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:36:36 AM EDT
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Are Apple laptops and desktops done the same way?
If so then my next PC may be an Apple one since Microsoft wants all our information in Windows 10. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:37:59 AM EDT
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Okay, here's some analysis. I've never seen an iphone 5c, so I didn't realize it's technically VERY different from the 5s and other "Touch ID" phones. It's missing the Secure Enclave chip. As a result, this may be technically possible for Apple to do -- but it won't work on the SE iphones that came after the 5c. https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/02/17/apple-can-comply-with-the-fbi-court-order/ http://willowtreeapps.com/blog/enhanced-device-security-in-ios-9/ Apple -- note that these two are *not* applicable to the particular phone under discussion: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204587 https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf Interesting. I guess it pays to not buy the budget model. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:38:05 AM EDT
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How are these products sold in countries where encryption and similar is illegal unless the government of that country is given a method to access it? There is a clue in that question... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Apple Statement regarding SB terrorist phones "The United States government has demanded that Apple take an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers. We oppose this order, which has implications far beyond the legal case at hand...." It's interesting that they're not claiming it's technologically impossible, which suggests we don't have all the information about how they've implemented their encryption. How are these products sold in countries where encryption and similar is illegal unless the government of that country is given a method to access it? There is a clue in that question... Where I work, we actually have to ship slightly different hardware. Most going to EU, US and the rest of the free world have TPM, stuff going to China has the Chinese TPM chip, some have no TPM chip. The fact that the Chinese .gov can break into a Chinese product doesn't mean that the US .gov can break into a product with a real TPM chip. To the consumer, these products all look the same. You would have to look at the regulatory and certification stickers to figure out which is which. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:39:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: dat cloud backup yo.. i wonder how my handset talks to your handset in a non sms communication like facetime or message, some type of key exchange to identify the systems... Based on my experience with ios lockouts I am surprised they are having an issue accessing it, imaging it, and then accessing the filesystem not generally exposed to the users. but it makes interesting coffee time talk. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word .I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. dat cloud backup yo.. i wonder how my handset talks to your handset in a non sms communication like facetime or message, some type of key exchange to identify the systems... Based on my experience with ios lockouts I am surprised they are having an issue accessing it, imaging it, and then accessing the filesystem not generally exposed to the users. but it makes interesting coffee time talk. Your surprise is warranted. There is a tremendous amount of data that can be provided by service providers with a simple LEO request, even more when a court orders it, and we're not even going to touch on FISA. Furthermore this is discounting the sheer amount of unsecured background coms that go between devices through various channels. This all combined with sniffing systems allows them to paint a very complete picture. However what blows my mind the most is people eating up this MSM report despite being conspiracy theorists and discounting every other bit of drivel the MSM spews. They are compelled. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:40:18 AM EDT
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Yay, now the FBI will have the unlocking software for Apple phones. I would much rather have them hand the phone to Apple to unlock, instead of handing the "key" to the FBI. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:40:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes....they said this to the courts...so if they can unlock it...they lied to previous courts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A U.S. magistrate ordered Apple Inc. on Tuesday to help the Obama administration hack into an encrypted iPhone belonging to one of the shooters in the December attack in San Bernardino in a first-of-its-kind ruling that pits digital privacy against national security interests. The ruling by Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym, a former federal prosecutor, requires Apple to supply highly specialized software the FBI can load onto the county-owned work iPhone to bypass a self-destruct feature, which erases the phone's data after too many unsuccessful attempts to unlock it. The FBI wants to be able to try different combinations until it finds the right one. http://www.scpr.org/news/2016/02/16/57621/judge-orders-apple-to-help-hack-san-bernardino-kil/ I guess now we will see if Apple will stand fast or comply. I do remember that Apple has stated several times that once a device is encrypted by an end user, they are the only ones that can unlock it. I wonder how the feds found out about this mystery application that they want loaded. Edited because spelling is hard sometimes Yes....they said this to the courts...so if they can unlock it...they lied to previous courts. There are many versions of iPhone hardware, and even more versions of software. A statement about "Apple can unlock it" is highly dependent on the those two variables. The San Bernardino terrorists had an iPhone 5c... which doesn't necessarily have all the hardware to keep that type of attack out. Later versions (iPhone 6) do. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:40:26 AM EDT
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I've agreed with opinions authored by Ruth Bader Ginsburg a time or two. It would be nice if Mr. Cook and those like him would apply the thinking here to other aspects of life, but I'll take what I can get. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I actually side with Tim Cook on something. The ground feels awfully cold. Good job, Apple. I've agreed with opinions authored by Ruth Bader Ginsburg a time or two. It would be nice if Mr. Cook and those like him would apply the thinking here to other aspects of life, but I'll take what I can get. Leftists usually seem to side with privacy more often than GOP types. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:41:26 AM EDT
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Not familiar with Apple's implementation, but fingerprint scanners are (where, maybe?) notoriously easy to hack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder if they tried the guys thumb print to unlock the phone? The iphone in question pre-dates touch ID. This is why they're asking for it to be unlocked. If it had touch ID, it would not be possible to get the keys. Not familiar with Apple's implementation, but fingerprint scanners are (where, maybe?) notoriously easy to hack. It's not the fingerprint scanner that creates the security. The devices w/ scanners have the new secure enclave processor and a completely different security model. The touch ID allows five tries, then the SE chip dumps the keys and requires the passcode to login. The SE chip dumps the touch ID keys 48 hours after the last successful login. The SE Chip dumps the keys if the device is rebooted. Apple took this to a new level. |
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Posted: 2/17/2016 10:42:30 AM EDT
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Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obama loves America. He says it in his speeches. If you think that anything out of dem donors like Cook and big data like Apple is not lip service and there already aren't backdoors... I don't know what to tell you. The fact that anyone would take any major company especially a lib shit company at their word .
I see you're cross posting this derp in ever thread. Its a dupe thread. I'll cross post this too: The FBI already has every single communication that went in and out of that device as they are handled server side by Apple and a subpoena was undoubtedly already served and followed. Now they just want the data still on the device. Apple doesn't explain that naturally. Utter bullshit. Apple has no way to decrypt any of the data going in or out of the phone, nor does the vast majority of it ever go to Apple. Apple never has the keys. |
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