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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:58:13 PM EDT
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Pepper his angus. Pepper it good.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:58:15 PM EDT
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Do you see what happens Larry?
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:58:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:58:33 PM EDT
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Hide the dog. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:58:46 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 12:59:16 PM EDT
[#6]
chalk.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:00:00 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut.
Probably, they are just trying to scare him straight. Chalk does no damage, so there is no property damage. Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:00:04 PM EDT
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Better call saul
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:01:06 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. Really? If he did it or was involved, suck it up and take the punishment. I wouldn't lawyer up as it sends the wrong message to the kid that did something wrong. It won't be that bad and will be a good learning tool. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:01:14 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. I would do this^^ |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:01:39 PM EDT
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This might be an opportunity to scare the shit out of jr. enough that he never does something stupid like that again.
Blessing in disguise etc.. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:01:45 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. Yep. The current Justice system will screw him over...cuz Zero Tolerance. Bust his &$$ later as a parent but a 12 yr old doesn't need a record for basically a nothing charge. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:01:50 PM EDT
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Oh FFS. Chalk and not spray paint...yeah that needs police intervention
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:02:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:02:19 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. Probably, they are just trying to scare him straight. Chalk does no damage, so there is no property damage. Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. If police are involved for something like this they're Probably focusing more on what was wrote than that it was wrote with chalk or it's a really small town |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:03:44 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. Probably, they are just trying to scare him straight. Chalk does no damage, so there is no property damage. Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. Depends on what was written. Property damage is the least of the concerns if it threatened violence. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:05:30 PM EDT
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What does your son say about it.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:05:31 PM EDT
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Oh FFS. Chalk and not spray paint...yeah that needs police intervention. My first thought as well. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:05:47 PM EDT
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caulk or chalk?
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:06:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:07:00 PM EDT
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Really? If he did it or was involved, suck it up and take the punishment. I wouldn't lawyer up as it sends the wrong message to the kid that did something wrong. It won't be that bad and will be a good learning tool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lawyer up now. Really? If he did it or was involved, suck it up and take the punishment. I wouldn't lawyer up as it sends the wrong message to the kid that did something wrong. It won't be that bad and will be a good learning tool. Hell yes Lawyer up. Send them a message that you will handle your son, not them. I don't trust the system or the pawns that work for it. If Junior did this tan his fucking hide. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:08:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: My wife received a phone call from our PD. Apparently, my son and his friends used a piece of calk to write something nasty about a school principal on the wall of a new school building that is still under construction. My guess is the school administration used a security camera footage to find out who did it. Now the cops want to talk to my son in our presence. What to expect? |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:08:15 PM EDT
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One way or the other you need the absolute truth from your son before you proceed.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:08:18 PM EDT
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Are they arresting him? I'm under the impression there is either evidence to arrest or there is not. Talking to police can only make it worse. If they got him on video, not much you can do to talk your way out of it.
What was written? |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:08:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. Keep mouth shut. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:10 PM EDT
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A principal called the cops over words?
It'd better have been a death threat. If it was just mean words they're gonna have a tough time dealing with kids on a daily basis. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:25 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. Yes. Teach the kid that as long as his lawyer is slick enough he can do whatever he wants and dad will fund the defense. Seriously, he's 12. The consequences are going to be temporary. Now is the time for him to learn how actions and legal consequences work. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:42 PM EDT
[#29]
Give him the talk about not doing shady shit in front of cameras
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:49 PM EDT
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This might be an opportunity to scare the shit out of jr. enough that he never does something stupid like that again. Blessing in disguise etc.. I was going to say this. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:51 PM EDT
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Some important info needed.
A. What written? B. Is principal in a "protected" class, like black, gay, etc? C. If so, was what was written relevant to the above? D. What does son have to say? If yes to B and C above, lawyer may be needed as that shit can get ugly and publicized all over. If not, then a good scare and punishment should be fine. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:11:55 PM EDT
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What was written?
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:12:03 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. Probably, they are just trying to scare him straight. Chalk does no damage, so there is no property damage. Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. Do not let them speak to him. As the post above me states I would offer to have a discussion at the school without your son. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:12:14 PM EDT
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Lawyer up now. I've been advised never to speak to the police without consul present. I want my court appointed lawyer. If we aren't under arrest, Are we free to go. Repeat. Nothing else, not ever. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:13:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:13:11 PM EDT
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Maybe the kids are right and the principal really is a cocksucker. Just saying.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:13:20 PM EDT
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A principal called the cops over words? It'd better have been a death threat. If it was just mean words they're gonna have a tough time dealing with kids on a daily basis. The whole school system is a PC shit show these days with LE getting involved over two kids fist fighting or in this case chaulk writings . Probably said something 12 year olds think is funny. "Principal sucks dick"
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:13:46 PM EDT
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Yes. Teach the kid that as long as his lawyer is slick enough he can do whatever he wants and dad will fund the defense. Seriously, he's 12. The consequences are going to be temporary. Now is the time for him to learn how actions and legal consequences work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lawyer up now. Yes. Teach the kid that as long as his lawyer is slick enough he can do whatever he wants and dad will fund the defense. Seriously, he's 12. The consequences are going to be temporary. Now is the time for him to learn how actions and legal consequences work. In general, Many parents now a days have the "my special snowflake won't do it again after I talk to him so why should he have a criminal record" mentality. Parents are teaching kids to not face consequences, and it is even showing in this thread. If he just wrote " Mr. XXX smells" in chalk that's different than if he wrote a threat or something. What does he say he wrote? |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:14:06 PM EDT
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Yep. The current Justice system will screw him over...cuz Zero Tolerance. Bust his &$$ later as a parent but a 12 yr old doesn't need a record for basically a nothing charge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lawyer up now. Yep. The current Justice system will screw him over...cuz Zero Tolerance. Bust his &$$ later as a parent but a 12 yr old doesn't need a record for basically a nothing charge. This. Never talk to the cops about potential criminal activity. It's not going to make anything better and has the potential to make things much worse. Discipline him at home but your public face is your attorney. Your 12 year old doesn't need a potential criminal record when he's 25 years old, has a Master's degree, and is applying to the FBI or something super competitive. That "sealed" juvenile record doesn't mean much for some positions. Punish him severely at home but keep it at home. He shouldn't feel like he "got off" with it but he shouldn't be thrown into the "zero tolerance" criminal justice system either. The cops may be great guys and may only want to talk to him to help him out but the risk of it going the other direction is too great to risk. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:15:10 PM EDT
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If I were you I'd talk to the cops first without him there. Figure out what he did and what they want. Then go from there. They might just want you to pay for it to be cleaned up. If so, I'd pay and ask them to help scare your son into not doing shit like that. If they are trying to pursue some criminal charge or something then don't let him talk to them. Most likely they are doing the former
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:15:40 PM EDT
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What was written? |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:15:49 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. <SNIP> Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. Quote HistoryQuoted:
You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. <SNIP> Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. At the very least, this and this. Quoted:
Seriously, he's 12. The consequences are going to be temporary. In today's society, I would not be willing to take that chance. YMMV. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:16:30 PM EDT
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Most of my cop friends say never talk to us voluntarily or without a lawyer. If the administration involved the police they are treating it as a criminal matter and thus all the guidelines apply.
Get your son's take on things and go from there. Hate to sound cliche but have them get a warrant and state as the parent to chief they are under no uncertain terms to speak with your son with out you or your attorney present. Unfortunately, it's not like the good ole days where they just drive your dumb ass home and let dad whip your ass. A juvenile record is nothing to play with. Could effect jobs and scholarships. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:16:33 PM EDT
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Guys it's CAULK not CHALK. There's a difference
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:16:34 PM EDT
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You do the talking. Tell him to keep his trap shut. Probably, they are just trying to scare him straight. Chalk does no damage, so there is no property damage. Do it at the school, not at your house. Never invite the man inside. well you might be wrong.. legally. when i was a kid, i watched " little house on the prarie" i saw the halloween episode, where they used SOAP to write on peoples windows as pranks. another kid and myself wrote on the school bus windows over night.... and we were charged with vandalism...( the fat kid got questioned by police and spilled the beans.  )
. i got to wash police cars all summer as punishment. something like 20-30 hours of community service. chalk could EASILY be considered vandalism.... depending on the local law definition. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:17:46 PM EDT
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Most of my cop friends say never talk to us voluntarily or without a lawyer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Most of my cop friends say never talk to us voluntarily or without a lawyer. I agree. If the administration involved the police they are treating it as a criminal matter and thus all the guidelines apply. This. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:18:09 PM EDT
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I thought GD SOP was to not answer the door. Its cold out, they'll go away.
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:19:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:19:08 PM EDT
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My first thought as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh FFS. Chalk and not spray paint...yeah that needs police intervention. My first thought as well. I was charged with Destruction of Property for putting shaving cream on the opposing team's bus when I was 16 years old. It was "serious business". The judge laughed it out of court but I was still charged and had to pay for a lawyer. Years later as a cop I would have had the kid wipe the bus clean and apologize to the other team's coach. A lot of cops lack any common sense at all. |
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Posted: 2/13/2016 1:19:21 PM EDT
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Chalk is not vandalism , it washes away with rain Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My wife received a phone call from our PD. Apparently, my son and his friends used a piece of calk to write something nasty about a school principal on the wall of a new school building that is still under construction. My guess is the school administration used a security camera footage to find out who did it. Now the cops want to talk to my son in our presence. What to expect? your wrong.... Full Definition of vandalism : willful or malicious destruction or defacement of public or private property if it was not approved..... then its defacement.... defacement does not have a time limit on it... nor does it describe how " easily" it can be cleaned off.... |
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