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Posted: 2/4/2016 12:44:44 PM EDT


       saw this posted by local NRA rep on FB!














 





"Suck on this Highland Park & Cook County. . .





This reasoning applies to the magazines in question.  To the extent that firearms equipped with detachable magazines are commonly possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, there must also be an ancillary right to possess the magazines necessary to render those firearms operable.  To the extent the State can regulate these magazines, it is not because the magazines are not bearable "arms” within the meaning of the Second Amendment. Our conclusion that these magazines constitute "arms” also finds strong historical support."











Todd Vandermyde Illinois local NRA rep








 
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:45:56 PM EDT
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So rich with info...
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:46:39 PM EDT
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The fucking details are overwhelming. Stop with them!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:46:47 PM EDT
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Good for the NRA on banning semi autos!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:47:13 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:47:25 PM EDT
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will this mean SCOTUS have to hear the AWB case because there is a conflict in rulings by two lower courts?
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:47:32 PM EDT
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would very much like to know more about this
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:47:42 PM EDT
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Hell Yeah!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:47:58 PM EDT
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That could be.... interesting..
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:48:16 PM EDT
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OP, stop!  I can only take in so much detail at once!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:48:38 PM EDT
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Koelbe.


Federal court threw out the lower courts decision and sent it back telling them to use strict scrutiny.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:48:41 PM EDT
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       details to follow







 http://michellawyers.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/33.1-Kolbe-v-OMalley_Brief-of-Amici-Curiae-The-State-of-West-Virginia-and-20-Other-State-Supporting-Plaintiffs-Appellants.pdf

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:49:16 PM EDT
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breaking



 
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:50:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:51:18 PM EDT
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Decision is attached in a pdf on this forum:



http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=188965




Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:51:36 PM EDT
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Yep.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:52:23 PM EDT
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You must be mistaken

The NRA doesn't do anything for gun rights, they only send out annoying junk mail and sucker gun owners out of money.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:52:36 PM EDT
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Yep.


I am sure they will get to it just in time for Chief Justice Obama to hear it.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:53:13 PM EDT
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print it for us broham!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:53:16 PM EDT
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this thread is dildos.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:53:34 PM EDT
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do they still have discretion?  can they choose not to hear the case?
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:53:46 PM EDT
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I am sure they will get to it just in time for Chief Justice Obama to hear it.


This
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:54:12 PM EDT
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formatting nightmare inbound



We first consider which of the two relevant standards of
scrutiny (strict or intermediate scrutiny) should apply.10 The
strict-scrutiny standard requires the government to prove its
restriction is “narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling governmental interest.” Abrams v. Johnson, 521 U.S. 74, 82
(1997); see Citizens United v. Federal Election Comm’n, 558 U.S.
310, 340 (2010) (explaining strict scrutiny “requires the
Government to prove that the restriction furthers a compelling
interest and is narrowly tailored to achieve that interest”
(internal quotation marks omitted)). To be narrowly tailored,
the law must employ the least restrictive means to achieve the
compelling government interest. See United States v. Playboy
Entertainment Group, Inc., 529 U.S. 803, 813 (2000).
Conversely, intermediate scrutiny requires the government to
“demonstrate . . . that there is a reasonable fit between the
challenged regulation and a substantial government objective.”
Chester, 628 F.3d at 683. For several reasons, we find that the
Act’s firearms and magazine bans require strict scrutiny.


As we have noted on previous occasions, “any law that would
burden the ‘fundamental,’ core right of self-defense in the home
by a law-abiding citizen would be subject to strict scrutiny.
But, as we move outside the home, firearm rights have always
been more limited.” United States v. Masciandaro, 638 F.3d 458,
470 (4th Cir. 2011). “[T]his longstanding out-of-the-home/inthe-home
distinction bears directly on the level of scrutiny
applicable,” id., with strict scrutiny applying to laws
restricting the right to self-defense in the home, see Woollard
v. Gallagher, 712 F.3d 865, 878 (4th Cir. 2013) (observing that
restrictions on “the right to arm oneself at home” necessitates
the application of strict scrutiny). Strict scrutiny, then, is
the appropriate level of scrutiny to apply to the ban of semiautomatic
rifles and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. See
Friedman, 784 F.3d at 418 (Manion, J., dissenting); cf. Heller
II, 670 F.3d at 1284 (Kavanaugh, J., dissenting) (reading Heller
as departing from traditional scrutiny standards but stating
that “[e]ven if it were appropriate to apply one of the levels
of scrutiny after Heller, surely it would be strict scrutiny
rather than . . . intermediate scrutiny”).

We recognize that other courts have reached different
outcomes when assessing similar bans, but we ultimately find
those decisions unconvincing.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:54:38 PM EDT
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"To sum up, the panel vacates the district court’s summary judgment order on Plaintiffs’ Second Amendment claims and remands for the district court to apply strict scrutiny. "  Kolbe v Hogan





next up SCOTUS!



 

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:55:54 PM EDT
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Congrats Maryland!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:56:05 PM EDT
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90 pages....  Cliff notes anyone.  Im still reading it now
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 12:56:27 PM EDT
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Strict scrutiny is fitting for a constitutional right.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:00:49 PM EDT
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So in other words, an appellate court finally got it right and stated the obvious - that the Second Amendment is a real right, not a redheaded step-child right, and therefore strict scrutiny should be applied.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:00:57 PM EDT
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OST
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Strict scrutiny is fitting for a constitutional right.


That's usually how it works. Except for guns, because scary. And children.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:01:41 PM EDT
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more info needed
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Strict scrutiny is fitting for a constitutional right.

They say strict scrutiny only applies inside your home, but that should be enough to overturn semi-auto bans and magazine ownership restrictions.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:02:28 PM EDT
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+1

Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:02:29 PM EDT
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Wow OP, thanks for link. Such details...much wow. This thread sucks.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:02:45 PM EDT
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Wall of text....Will not read....
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:03:04 PM EDT
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I'm admittedly not familiar with the ban, but congrats Maryland! Now go forth and buy semi-autos!!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:03:36 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:03:48 PM EDT
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FBHO
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:03:54 PM EDT
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Whoa, Op. Go easy with the details.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:05:10 PM EDT
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Great news. Hopefully this decision can be used in other states that need a bitch slap (NY)
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:05:36 PM EDT
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where the fuck are the links
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:06:11 PM EDT
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As we have noted on previous occasions, “any law that would
burden the ‘fundamental,’ core right of self-defense in the home
by a law-abiding citizen would be subject to strict scrutiny.
But, as we move outside the home, firearm rights have always
been more limited.” United States v. Masciandaro, 638 F.3d 458,
470 (4th Cir. 2011). “[T]his longstanding out-of-the-home/inthe-home
distinction bears directly on the level of scrutiny
applicable,” id., with strict scrutiny applying to laws
restricting the right to self-defense in the home, see Woollard
v. Gallagher, 712 F.3d 865, 878 (4th Cir. 2013) (observing that
restrictions on “the right to arm oneself at home” necessitates
the application of strict scrutiny). Strict scrutiny, then, is
the appropriate level of scrutiny to apply to the ban of semiautomatic
rifles and magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
See
Friedman, 784 F.3d at 418 (Manion, J., dissenting); cf. Heller
II, 670 F.3d at 1284 (Kavanaugh, J., dissenting) (reading Heller
as departing from traditional scrutiny standards but stating
that “[e]ven if it were appropriate to apply one of the levels
of scrutiny after Heller, surely it would be strict scrutiny
rather than . . . intermediate scrutiny”).

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The 5th circuit could make our lives easier and replace the words "semiautomatic rifles and magazines holding more than 10 rounds" with "machine guns" in the Hollis case.
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Which is bullshit. Just in general, for all fundamental rights. It applies to every fundamental right, everywhere. The government should ALWAYS be put to that burden when a fundamental right is impaired, to show that it has used the most narrow and least restrictive means to achieve some truly compelling interest, allowing for the full exercise of the right.
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That could be.... interesting.. a disaster...

FIFY



 
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SCOTUS will punt or wait until 2060 to hear the case.
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:06:50 PM EDT
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That's awesome.
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NO FUCKING SHIT!!!!
Link Posted: 2/4/2016 1:08:20 PM EDT
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Yawn. Good for MD and the NRA, but SCOTUS won't pick it up and we'll all go back to shoving our thumbs up our ass.
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Please stop, I can only get so erect
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I understand if you can't explain it. Legalese can be a pain but if you provide a source most of us can figure it out. Those who can't will be out in front of the NRA HQ protesting.
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