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I want one. I just know they'll release an AR mag version a month after I buy one.
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I do like the GB model mini-14 with folding stock, blued finish, and FH.
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They want AR prices for those it looks like. Yikes The scary thing is, the mini series is a bastardized ripoff of an m14 action. I'm pretty sure you could almost build a legitimate m1a in those calibers for a competitive price to the mini's. Does that make the M14 a bastardized ripoff of the M1 Garand action? Except that the Mini does not use the M14 action. And the M14 doesn't use a Garand action. It uses an incredibly similar action to fire a .308 round, instead of the Garand's 30-06. Also, going from stripper clips to detachable magazine required some changes as well I imagine. Likewise, the M14 being (.308) 7.62×51mm and Mini-14 being (.223) 5.56x45mm means you aren't using the exact same action when changing calibers. Something has to be scaled down or modified. But, What other 5.56x45mm weapon has an almost identical action? Albeit a shrunk down version. I always thought of it this way: The M14 is an evolved M1 Garand and the Mini-14 a scaled down toy version of the M14. I would not take my 583 Mini-14 into a fight (unless I had nothing else,) That is what my AR is (hopefully never) for. My mini-14 is a scaled down toy M14 that shoots the same ammo as my ARs, that allows me to play with a Garand/M14 inspired action for much less than even a cheap M14 (granted Mini's are to expensive.) and not have to start buying another caliber. |
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Yep, a staple in the Ruger Line. They both are popular rifles in the Western States. View Quote I don't see them much out here in CO. Occasionally there's one in the rack at a gun shop but I've only seen one in the wild once or twice. For a .223/5.56 semi-auto the AR is so vastly superior that nobody who expects to take a shot at over 300 yards would seriously consider a Mini-14 if they can get an AR. Even a basic AR carbine has better performance than the Mini-14 accuracy wise and it's cheaper. Plus the AR is easy to upgrade and parts, accessories, and mags are everywhere. As for 7.62x39, well, the AK is cheaper, mags are everywhere, and accuracy wise it's probably a wash. More or less the same with the SKS too. You'd have to really have your heart set on a Mni-30 to wind up getting one out here. Bottom line is that the performance to cost and hassle ratio of the Ruger Mini series rifles is not as good as other platforms on the market out here. |
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And the M14 doesn't use a Garand action. It uses an incredibly similar action to fire a .308 round, instead of the Garand's 30-06. Also, going from stripper clips to detachable magazine required some changes as well I imagine. Likewise, the M14 being (.308) 7.62×51mm and Mini-14 being (.223) 5.56x45mm means you aren't using the exact same action when changing calibers. Something has to be scaled down or modified. But, What other 5.56x45mm weapon has an almost identical action? Albeit a shrunk down version. I always thought of it this way: The M14 is an evolved M1 Garand and the Mini-14 a scaled down toy version of the M14. I would not take my 583 Mini-14 into a fight (unless I had nothing else,) That is what my AR is (hopefully never) for. My mini-14 is a scaled down toy M14 that shoots the same ammo as my ARs, that allows me to play with a Garand/M14 inspired action for much less than even a cheap M14 (granted Mini's are to expensive.) and not have to start buying another caliber. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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They want AR prices for those it looks like. Yikes The scary thing is, the mini series is a bastardized ripoff of an m14 action. I'm pretty sure you could almost build a legitimate m1a in those calibers for a competitive price to the mini's. Does that make the M14 a bastardized ripoff of the M1 Garand action? Except that the Mini does not use the M14 action. And the M14 doesn't use a Garand action. It uses an incredibly similar action to fire a .308 round, instead of the Garand's 30-06. Also, going from stripper clips to detachable magazine required some changes as well I imagine. Likewise, the M14 being (.308) 7.62×51mm and Mini-14 being (.223) 5.56x45mm means you aren't using the exact same action when changing calibers. Something has to be scaled down or modified. But, What other 5.56x45mm weapon has an almost identical action? Albeit a shrunk down version. I always thought of it this way: The M14 is an evolved M1 Garand and the Mini-14 a scaled down toy version of the M14. I would not take my 583 Mini-14 into a fight (unless I had nothing else,) That is what my AR is (hopefully never) for. My mini-14 is a scaled down toy M14 that shoots the same ammo as my ARs, that allows me to play with a Garand/M14 inspired action for much less than even a cheap M14 (granted Mini's are to expensive.) and not have to start buying another caliber. The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. |
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My Ranch Rifle groups looked like buckshot and I contemplated selling it. Then I started shooting Wolf and the groups tightened so it's still in my arsenal.
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Another here in the group of those who wouldn't mind having one, but isn't interested in the least at today's prices.
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. View Quote I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. |
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The only politically correct (for now) semi-auto in America? Then yes.
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They sell like crazy here, even with cheap AR's w/ bullet buttons available for around $600.
I have an old stainless Ranch Rifle. VERY reliable as long as I had good mags and not crappy National mags or Pro mags. It will feed anything, even the dreaded Greek Olympic brand 5.56 that gave everyone's AR fits back in the early 2000's. The pencil barrels DO have an accuracy problem. Mine grouped horribly with almost everything once the barrel got warm. The only loads it seems to like are XM193/Q3131A and Black Hills 55gr. Wolf 55 and 62gr, South African, XM855 or anything SS109 would not group well at all. |
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I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. |
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I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. I thought a mini 14 was straight blow back into the carrier? |
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. I thought a mini 14 was straight blow back into the carrier? Mini has a stationary piston. |
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Not a piston if it is stationary. Just a fat gas tube like an ar.
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I'd love to have a Mini 30, but like everyone else, not at today's prices.
I remember fondly those days of yore when they were stacked up on gunshow tables for $300-350. Back when I didn't have $300 to piss away on guns. |
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double double tried to correct the spelling in the first post and got a third.
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Add me to that list. I want one, but not for the price of a decent AR. $779 is ridiculous, I'm a buyer right this second at $399-$449 and the only accessory stuff I'm interested in is the necessary parts to make a AC556 clone out of it.(non-NFA 16" bbl, just to piss off the idiots like FeindSwein) ETA: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0f/RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg/500px-RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Another here in the group of those who wouldn't mind having one, but isn't interested in the least at today's prices. Add me to that list. I want one, but not for the price of a decent AR. $779 is ridiculous, I'm a buyer right this second at $399-$449 and the only accessory stuff I'm interested in is the necessary parts to make a AC556 clone out of it.(non-NFA 16" bbl, just to piss off the idiots like FeindSwein) ETA: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0f/RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg/500px-RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg Are you high? What other new production semiautomatic centerfire rifles are on the market at that price? |
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Yep. A guy I grew up with's Dad has tons of guns. He just won't buy anything that looks remotely "tactical" or modern "military" (wood and steel all day long though). When he wants to impress, he breaks out the "mini". Mr. Z's in his 80's now, and still gets to the range pretty regularly for a guy his age. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yes, to certain segments of society they are the "gun." Yep. A guy I grew up with's Dad has tons of guns. He just won't buy anything that looks remotely "tactical" or modern "military" (wood and steel all day long though). When he wants to impress, he breaks out the "mini". Mr. Z's in his 80's now, and still gets to the range pretty regularly for a guy his age. That's cool. Once upon a time the Mini was the tactical carbine that most could own without spending too much. From the mid '70s throught the early '80s it was one of the most cost effective alternatives around. Its traditional look fit in well for the era. |
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I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. No tappet in any of my Minis. With the gas impinging directly on the op-rod its function is more akin to the Garand than the carbine or M-14. |
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And the M14 doesn't use a Garand action. It uses an incredibly similar action to fire a .308 round, instead of the Garand's 30-06. Also, going from stripper clips to detachable magazine required some changes as well I imagine. Likewise, the M14 being (.308) 7.62×51mm and Mini-14 being (.223) 5.56x45mm means you aren't using the exact same action when changing calibers. Something has to be scaled down or modified. But, What other 5.56x45mm weapon has an almost identical action? Albeit a shrunk down version. I always thought of it this way: The M14 is an evolved M1 Garand and the Mini-14 a scaled down toy version of the M14. I would not take my 583 Mini-14 into a fight (unless I had nothing else,) That is what my AR is (hopefully never) for. My mini-14 is a scaled down toy M14 that shoots the same ammo as my ARs, that allows me to play with a Garand/M14 inspired action for much less than even a cheap M14 (granted Mini's are to expensive.) and not have to start buying another caliber. View Quote Note there were .308 Garands as well. A fundamental difference between the Garand and the M14 is the gas system modifications. Basically the M14 is a Garand upgrade with an improved gas system, a mdetachable magazine replacing the en-bloc clip system, and chambered in a shortened cartridge. Garand uses en-bloc clips not stripper clips. En-bloc clips are actually part part of the feeding system, unlike stripper clips. I think Mini-14 uses a gas system more like the M1 carbine. |
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Another here in the group of those who wouldn't mind having one, but isn't interested in the least at today's prices. Add me to that list. I want one, but not for the price of a decent AR. $779 is ridiculous, I'm a buyer right this second at $399-$449 and the only accessory stuff I'm interested in is the necessary parts to make a AC556 clone out of it.(non-NFA 16" bbl, just to piss off the idiots like FeindSwein) ETA: http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/0/0f/RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg/500px-RugerAC556_ss_Folder.jpg Are you high? What other new production semiautomatic centerfire rifles are on the market at that price? None, that's why I said I'd be a buyer in that range. I don't see how they sell in "free states" when the 6920 right next to it on the rack is about $75 cheaper. Dropping the price on them is the only way I can see Ruger making money on them and sales going up, but I'm not a business major so... |
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yep they are slightly hard to get any we can wrangle up sell pretty quickly Quoted: Yes, to certain segments of society they are the "gun." yep there is still a decent sized anti-black rifle contingent out there still that LOVE minis |
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. I thought a mini 14 was straight blow back into the carrier? Nope. |
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I would buy one for around $450 but I can buy or build a AR for under what they are asking for them now
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No tappet in any of my Minis. With the gas impinging directly on the op-rod its function is more akin to the Garand than the carbine or M-14. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The action in a Mini is far more akin to that in an M1 Carbine than an M14. A lot more. I agree with that, but overall the gas-operated (short-stroke piston), rotating bolt action of the M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, M1A/M14 or the Mini-14/30; are all very similar but aren't identical. The primary differences depending on how and what rounds are being chambered from what info google provided. Certainly you must agree though, that there is an obvious lineage when it comes to these weapons. I have an M1 Garand, an M1 Carbine, an M14S, and a Mini. The Mini and Carbine are nothing like the piston system in the Garand and M14. The Mini and Carbine use a very short stroke tappet and the piston taps the op rod and then retracts. Garand and M14 both have long op rods that follow through the entire motion. Take them out of the stocks and lay the action upside down on a table. You can see the difference. Notice that neither the Mini nor the Carbine have a gas cylinder like the M1 and M14. No tappet in any of my Minis. With the gas impinging directly on the op-rod its function is more akin to the Garand than the carbine or M-14. Well, I guess I will have to get mine out and look. Now, the Mini is DI? |
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No need for the mini14 anymore https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.recoilweb.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F11%2FAres-SCR-Lower-with-Custom-Upper-and-Monte-Carlo-Stock.jpg&f=1 View Quote What is that? |
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The Mini 14 has a fixed piston with the gas cylinder located on the face of the operating rod.
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I kind of want a stainless folder but have no need for it just nostalgia..
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I visited a LGS today. There were several Mini-14s for sale next to ARs on the rack...and plenty of ARs priced well below the Minis. In fact, I was surprised to see the least expensive Mini around $700.00.
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I have a polymer mag that works in both my mini and AR. In fact it is stamped on the side that it works in several rifles. I only have the one I bought about 20 years ago. All my others are Ruger mags. It's a Ram Line Mac 1530. It does work. Has a special cut out in the rear slot of the mag and a mag catch hole in the front.
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No tappet in any of my Minis. With the gas impinging directly on the op-rod its function is more akin to the Garand than the carbine or M-14. Well, I guess I will have to get mine out and look. Now, the Mini is DI? As much as a Garand or Kalashnikov is I guess. As Fluffy pointed out the physical relationship is rather inverted but the effect is the same. |
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What is that? Ares SCR http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/18/gun-review-ares-defense-scr-carbine/ |
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after watching the Mini 300 Blackout tactical....I kinda wanted one...
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As much as a Garand or Kalashnikov is I guess. As Fluffy pointed out the physical relationship is rather inverted but the effect is the same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No tappet in any of my Minis. With the gas impinging directly on the op-rod its function is more akin to the Garand than the carbine or M-14. Well, I guess I will have to get mine out and look. Now, the Mini is DI? As much as a Garand or Kalashnikov is I guess. As Fluffy pointed out the physical relationship is rather inverted but the effect is the same. Well crap. Got it out, no tappet. For some reason I remembered there being one but it could be I am thinking about the Carbine. My bad. Gonna have to dig out my Carbine later. Still like my Mini, weird mags and all. |
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I have one of the newer Mini14 Ranch Rifles my dad gave to me. He bought it, didn't shoot it much, found out how much I wanted one, and gave it to me. My home built AR with an 18" barrel with 223wylde chamber and nice trigger runs circles around the Mini. Well, guess the Mini runs circles down range around my AR because the "newer, better" Mini is still not all that great. I've tried a strut and different ammo (including the nice Wolf brass that my AR loves) and the Mini just isn't that accurate. I'll keep the Mini though because really like how not-so-scary it looks especially with the 5 round magazine. And if I ever have to move to Canada or something I'll be able to take the Mini.
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