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Posted: 1/7/2016 11:23:10 PM EDT
I've shot probably 1000 rounds of 147gr +P and 180gr .40 HST in my life but have never seen anything like this. These were 147gr standard pressure HSTs from a G43
After 100 rounds:  After 200 rounds:  Support hand after 200 rounds:  |
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Posted: 1/7/2016 11:26:20 PM EDT
[#1]
no.
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Posted: 1/7/2016 11:31:12 PM EDT
[#2]
New ones are loaded with black powder. Instant Tactical Smoke Screen.
ATF regulation is coming next... same as smoke grenades. |
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Posted: 1/7/2016 11:50:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New ones are loaded with black powder. Instant Tactical Smoke Screen. ATF regulation is coming next... same as smoke grenades. the weird thing is, i didn't notice any abnormal smoke at all |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:10:03 AM EDT
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I shoot the +p variant and my hands never look like that. Only time my hands even really get dirty shooting them is when I load like 20-30 mags and even then not to the extent yours are.
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:23:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the weird thing is, i didn't notice any abnormal smoke at all Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: New ones are loaded with black powder. Instant Tactical Smoke Screen. ATF regulation is coming next... same as smoke grenades. the weird thing is, i didn't notice any abnormal smoke at all I have noticed that 147gr HST's are a bit dirtier than RA9T in my Glocks. But not that kind of nasty. Was this a range rental gun? Maybe it started out filthy, and ended up on your hands. |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:28:23 AM EDT
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It's not the ammunition, is it possible the pistol is unlocking early?
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:31:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Something fucky with the gun.
+1 on unlocking early. Perfection. |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not the ammunition, is it possible the pistol is unlocking early? hmm, nothing felt different and it functioned 100%. the G43 went back to Glock when i first got it because heavier rounds would nose dive. since i got it back i've shot probably 2000 rounds without a hiccup until these HSTs |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:32:17 AM EDT
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HST is the finest ammunition known to mankind. Something is wrong with you.
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Posted: 1/8/2016 12:35:07 AM EDT
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Quoted:
I've shot probably 1000 rounds of 147gr +P and 180gr .40 HST in my life but have never seen anything like this. These were 147gr standard pressure HSTs from a G43 Could be a combination of the size of your dick beaters and the tiny barreled G43 having the muzzle just that much closer to your hands. Probably won't happen with a G35. Look at the lens of a weapon mounted flashlight that is near (even if it doesn't overhang) the muzzle. All kinds of shit on it after a string of fire. ETA - Look at the distance the G43 ejection port is from your hands as compared to a G19 or G17 port. Probably closer. |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 2:23:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be a combination of the size of your dick beaters and the tiny barreled G43 having the muzzle just that much closer to your hands. Probably won't happen with a G35. Look at the lens of a weapon mounted flashlight that is near (even if it doesn't overhang) the muzzle. All kinds of shit on it after a string of fire. ETA - Look at the distance the G43 ejection port is from your hands as compared to a G19 or G17 port. Probably closer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've shot probably 1000 rounds of 147gr +P and 180gr .40 HST in my life but have never seen anything like this. These were 147gr standard pressure HSTs from a G43 Could be a combination of the size of your dick beaters and the tiny barreled G43 having the muzzle just that much closer to your hands. Probably won't happen with a G35. Look at the lens of a weapon mounted flashlight that is near (even if it doesn't overhang) the muzzle. All kinds of shit on it after a string of fire. ETA - Look at the distance the G43 ejection port is from your hands as compared to a G19 or G17 port. Probably closer. I've fired thousands of other 9mm rounds through the G43 without this happening |
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Posted: 1/8/2016 2:32:28 AM EDT
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My handload hsts don't do that. Weird. Tag for answers.
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Posted: 1/8/2016 2:46:32 AM EDT
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Just be glad you still have your hands.
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Posted: 1/8/2016 2:58:03 AM EDT
[#14]
yer gun is leaking
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Posted: 1/8/2016 8:16:53 AM EDT
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Sounds like you need to go back and shoot it again with other ammo to compare results to see if something has changed in the gun over time. Worn out spring?
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Posted: 1/8/2016 8:19:06 AM EDT
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High moisture in the range? Makes GSR stick to stuff(ur hand) more? Sweaty hands?
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Posted: 1/8/2016 8:25:34 AM EDT
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Hanging around to find out the answer.
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Posted: 1/8/2016 8:37:25 AM EDT
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Powder is coated in graphite to make it free flowing. Most powders are slightly oxygen deficient and as such, graphite doesn't burn until it exits the bore and hits air..even then, only a tiny bit burns to create muzzle flash. If the muzzle pressure isn't high enough or a low flash load is used, graphite can coat the firearm.
There is also lead from the primer. Lead styphanate. ( lead trinitroresorcinol ) |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:37:48 PM EDT
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Looks like it was the ammo. I ran 100 rounds of GECO 124gr and 100 rounds of Magtech 124gr through the G43 yesterday. Powder residue on my hand was about 1/4 what it was with the HSTs and there was practically none on my support hand (just like with the 147gr HST +P I usually use) . I'll post pics after work...
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:48:12 PM EDT
[#20]
Humblebrag thread. OP shoots expensive carry ammo like it's range ammo
I know I know train how you intend to fight. I can only afford to train with my plated bullet reloads, loaded to simulate my carry ammo. 
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:53:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
HST is the finest ammunition known to mankind. Something is wrong with you. Secondary markets sometimes get factory and agency rejects. We have no other choice. |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:55:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Plus P portion wasted in short barrel?
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Posted: 1/11/2016 12:59:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus P portion wasted in short barrel? |
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Posted: 1/11/2016 1:06:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plus P portion wasted in short barrel? this was standard pressure HST. the +P HSTs have been very clean |
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Posted: 1/14/2016 3:19:05 PM EDT
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here is the result of 100 Magtech 124gr and 100 GECO 124 gr through the G43...huge difference compared to the HST and I doubt there is a lockup issue. I've got some P9HST2 coming from SGA though to compare like to like
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Posted: 1/14/2016 4:09:45 PM EDT
[#26]
Have you called Federal and asked them?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:55:44 PM EDT
[#27]
From where did you purchase that HST?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:11:48 PM EDT
[#28]
The only HST ammo I've fired is 230 gr +P. I've never experienced that.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:17:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: From where did you purchase that HST? Bone Frog Gun Club (not their fault of course). I just got some 9HST2 from SGA that I'll try this weekend |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:44:22 PM EDT
[#30]
I told you it is the ammo. Specifically, the graphite coating on the propellant which is depositing instead of flashing when it hits oxygen. That is the cause of most muzzle flash if the muzzle pressure is high enough and there aren't any flash inhibitors.
Graphite is used to coat the granules to prevent caking (propellants are soft and sticky) plus it is electrically conductive, preventing static buildup. Some propellants have more than others. For example, Trail Boss is nearly devoid of it and looks greenish. Varget is another lightly coated extruded propellant. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:53:27 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I told you it is the ammo. Specifically, the graphite coating on the propellant which is depositing instead of flashing when it hits oxygen. That is the cause of most muzzle flash if the muzzle pressure is high enough and there aren't any flash inhibitors. Graphite is used to coat the granules to prevent caking (propellants are soft and sticky) plus it is electrically conductive, preventing static buildup. Some propellants have more than others. For example, Trail Boss is nearly devoid of it and looks greenish. Varget is another lightly coated extruded propellant. Hey OP, Keith _J is like the smartest guy here, often reguarded as the reincarnation of Browning and the actual son of Gaston Glock... listen to him. He is actually like Heisenburg from breaking bad when it comes to "science n shit". 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:02:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
this was standard pressure HST. the +P HSTs have been very clean Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Plus P portion wasted in short barrel? this was standard pressure HST. the +P HSTs have been very clean maybe the problem is the standard pressure rounds aren't getting a good burn through the G43? |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:02:39 PM EDT
[#33]
Is your Glock direct impingement or piston driven? It might be that there's a leak in the gas tube somewhere. Check the bold carrier too. Especially the gas key. Make sure that fucker is staked.
Let me know if this fixes your problem. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is your Glock direct impingement or piston driven? It might be that there's a leak in the gas tube somewhere. Check the bold carrier too. Especially the gas key. Make sure that fucker is staked. Let me know if this fixes your problem. 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:10:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Humblebrag thread. OP shoots expensive carry ammo like it's range ammo
I know I know train how you intend to fight. I can only afford to train with my plated bullet reloads, loaded to simulate my carry ammo.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:14:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Your girlfriend is a bit dirty.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:17:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Shoot smart gun range?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:45:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I told you it is the ammo. Specifically, the graphite coating on the propellant which is depositing instead of flashing when it hits oxygen. That is the cause of most muzzle flash if the muzzle pressure is high enough and there aren't any flash inhibitors. Graphite is used to coat the granules to prevent caking (propellants are soft and sticky) plus it is electrically conductive, preventing static buildup. Some propellants have more than others. For example, Trail Boss is nearly devoid of it and looks greenish. Varget is another lightly coated extruded propellant. I get that. I've just never seen it this bad with previous HSTs I've fired |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:48:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Did you lube your glock with anything labeled as a "dry film" lubricant or graphite?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:48:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you lube your glock with anything labeled as a "dry film" lubricant or graphite? nope. SLIP 2000 only |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:49:44 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you called Federal and asked them? |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:50:09 PM EDT
[#42]
How much oil did you lube your slide with ?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have you called Federal and asked them? no. If the boxes from a different lot that I received today from SGA dont do the same, I'll just chalk it up to a funky lot and move on... |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:03:39 PM EDT
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Do you have the lot number? I bought a few boxes from Bone Frog, but I haven't shot any yet. I'll be using a Glock 17. The lot number on my boxes is U51G301.
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Posted: 1/15/2016 11:16:16 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I get that. I've just never seen it this bad with previous HSTs I've fired Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I told you it is the ammo. Specifically, the graphite coating on the propellant which is depositing instead of flashing when it hits oxygen. That is the cause of most muzzle flash if the muzzle pressure is high enough and there aren't any flash inhibitors. Graphite is used to coat the granules to prevent caking (propellants are soft and sticky) plus it is electrically conductive, preventing static buildup. Some propellants have more than others. For example, Trail Boss is nearly devoid of it and looks greenish. Varget is another lightly coated extruded propellant. I get that. I've just never seen it this bad with previous HSTs I've fired |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 1:34:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bone Frog Gun Club (not their fault of course). I just got some 9HST2 from SGA that I'll try this weekend Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: From where did you purchase that HST? Bone Frog Gun Club (not their fault of course). I just got some 9HST2 from SGA that I'll try this weekend I don't see a lot number on the boxes I have. I'm looking forward to your report on the SGA lot. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 4:44:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I got a couple of boxes from them recently too. I haven't fired any yet and don't have enough to do an extended test like you, but when I opened the box to look, they seemed a little dirtier than expected on the outside of the cases. Did you notice the same? I don't see a lot number on the boxes I have. I'm looking forward to your report on the SGA lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: From where did you purchase that HST? Bone Frog Gun Club (not their fault of course). I just got some 9HST2 from SGA that I'll try this weekend I don't see a lot number on the boxes I have. I'm looking forward to your report on the SGA lot. The lot number is stamped inside one of the end flaps. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:33:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. I got a couple of boxes from them recently too. I haven't fired any yet and don't have enough to do an extended test like you, but when I opened the box to look, they seemed a little dirtier than expected on the outside of the cases. Did you notice the same? I don't see a lot number on the boxes I have. I'm looking forward to your report on the SGA lot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: From where did you purchase that HST? Bone Frog Gun Club (not their fault of course). I just got some 9HST2 from SGA that I'll try this weekend I don't see a lot number on the boxes I have. I'm looking forward to your report on the SGA lot. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:36:34 PM EDT
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That guy had a dirty penis.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:43:30 PM EDT
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Frostbite not slide bite.
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