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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:38:02 PM EDT
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So based on that ad are they going back down to $125?
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Posted: 1/15/2016 4:50:16 PM EDT
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So based on that ad are they going back down to $125? I am not sure but if Mark leaves them at that price he will destroy Geissele's sales of the SSA and SSA-E I would think unless someone really, really dislikes some aspect of the MBT. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 6:14:53 PM EDT
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Ya know, come to think of it, besides the MBT, are there any other "Solid S7 Billet" triggers being made ? There might be solid billet triggers on the market but I don't think they market them as such. The two "solid billet" triggers that claim to be solid billet really are not "solid". They are pieced together with bushings or screwed together. Not solid component parts by any definition. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 6:19:45 PM EDT
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^^^
Here's hoping you have a good Shotshow Bill. 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 6:25:48 PM EDT
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^^^ Here's hoping you have a good Shotshow Bill. You too Mark..........but. gotcha :) |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:32:37 PM EDT
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Ya know, come to think of it, besides the MBT, are there any other "Solid S7 Billet" triggers being made ? Yes Well, are we competitive? Nope. EuRal Tactical makes a TBM for $50 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:38:53 PM EDT
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You too Mark..........but. gotcha :) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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^^^ Here's hoping you have a good Shotshow Bill. You too Mark..........but. gotcha :) I wondered about that. Not enough to take mine out and really look at it. It would make a awful lot of waste to carve the bow part out of solid billet. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 7:58:31 PM EDT
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I am not sure but if Mark leaves them at that price he will destroy Geissele's sales of the SSA and SSA-E I would think unless someone really, really dislikes some aspect of the MBT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So based on that ad are they going back down to $125? I am not sure but if Mark leaves them at that price he will destroy Geissele's sales of the SSA and SSA-E I would think unless someone really, really dislikes some aspect of the MBT. The G2S and Brownells G triggers will also suffer. I am glad Geissele has its other triggers and other products to fall back on if the SSA &SSA-E sales take hit. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:09:08 PM EDT
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I really love my MBTs. Probably won't be going back
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The G2S and Brownells G triggers will also suffer. I am glad Geissele has its other triggers and other products to fall back on if the SSA &SSA-E sales take hit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So based on that ad are they going back down to $125? I am not sure but if Mark leaves them at that price he will destroy Geissele's sales of the SSA and SSA-E I would think unless someone really, really dislikes some aspect of the MBT. The G2S and Brownells G triggers will also suffer. I am glad Geissele has its other triggers and other products to fall back on if the SSA &SSA-E sales take hit. Bill triggers aren't going anywhere. SSF is still on big government contract, SSA-E is used by the AMU. Anytime you have big military contracts backing you, it's a huge vote of confidence for a civilian gun market. I think the MBT will be a success, but I don't think it'll be the most highly recognized trigger. |
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Posted: 1/15/2016 8:20:39 PM EDT
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Guys what is going on here is what you see when a company direct sells vs selling through distribution.
A $125 MBT sold the way Bill sells his would be $200 retail if the margin was 37.5%. Mark has cut out the middle man which has kind of backed Bill into a corner as far as retail. Mark is giving everyone "wholesale" pricing. If Bill did the same it would cut the neck of the businesses who sell him product. This also cuts the procieved "value" of both triggers down. If Mark had held the "retail" price, both his and Bills would have sold. Both are "worth" $200 retail. Mark could do the same thing with the guns he builds since he doesn't sell through distribution. The $2245 ORB 5.56 16", Mark could sell for $1403 applying the math from his trigger. Or the $3370 7.62 ORB he could sell for $2106. He won't do that though 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:12:44 PM EDT
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They were $250 when they first came out. Newly released products always cost more and you have to "pay to play". As production methods are refined and machinery is paid for then prices should come down since economy of scale should start to take over. That being said if Mark keeps them around the $150 I will probably put one in every rifle I own. That says a lot for me as I always denounced needing a better trigger than mil-spec for anything except a match rifle but at $150 or less I see no reason not to buy them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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mfingar knocked out a nice ad today ... here's a peek ... coming soon to a magazine rack near you. We're gonna do us a little extended market test to see if the patiently-waiting line will stay a reasonable length ... at that price point. 
http://www.larue.com/media/graphics/LaRue_Ad_CLUNK-AR-LR.jpg The EE is going to be so disappointed!  So will everyone that bought at $200 when they came out. Hope it wasn't many. They were $250 when they first came out. Newly released products always cost more and you have to "pay to play". As production methods are refined and machinery is paid for then prices should come down since economy of scale should start to take over. That being said if Mark keeps them around the $150 I will probably put one in every rifle I own. That says a lot for me as I always denounced needing a better trigger than mil-spec for anything except a match rifle but at $150 or less I see no reason not to buy them. Banking on it in doubling our wire EDM machine count. 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 9:39:05 PM EDT
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If you make them, people will buy them.
If they ever come off of backorder 
That and 5.56 tranquilo mounts 
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Posted: 1/15/2016 10:20:56 PM EDT
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So when does the $125 sale start?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:31:07 AM EDT
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So when does the $125 $99 sale start? FIFY  
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Posted: 1/16/2016 4:21:38 AM EDT
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Which makers have a trigger in an M gun? Geiselle has SOCOM's M-4 family of weapons and KAC has the 7.62 gas guns. Other makers have nice triggers. Only KAC and G have triggers that have gone through the T&E that those triggers have seen and passed. Do you honestly think a tool steel trigger would not pass? Really? There is so much more to a trigger mech than mettalurgy. Make a full auto trigger that doesn't affect rate of fire from the current mil std trigger. Now make it pass the requisite cycles of super cold, hot, wet, dry, dirty. Make sure the springs do their job, don't rust, etc. Now make sure it works the same in every M-16 ever made for the USG... G did that. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 7:26:01 AM EDT
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Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 7:31:26 AM EDT
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.................. There is so much more to a trigger mech than mettalurgy. Make a full auto trigger that doesn't affect rate of fire from the current mil std trigger. Now make it pass the requisite cycles of super cold, hot, wet, dry, dirty. Make sure the springs do their job, don't rust, etc. Now make sure it works the same in every M-16 ever made for the USG... G did that. I wish I was ALLOWED to buy a fucking new full auto. 
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:07:46 AM EDT
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^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:11:07 AM EDT
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So when does the $125 sale start? im sure not till the backlog has been filled |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:42:25 AM EDT
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^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.M87e0ee89a001e68af1e3df5d3105f13do2&pid=15.1 The jealousy is we've sold about 3,500 MBTs since Nov.1 ... grab your nutsack sackgunner, you ain't seen nuttin' yet.
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:47:29 AM EDT
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As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:03:49 AM EDT
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You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. See, that's what I'm talking about ... to make serious headway, I gotta get past Ruger's on-every-store-shelf trigger, CMC's drop-in, the AR-Gold ... and numerous attractively-priced others. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:13:33 AM EDT
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See, that's what I'm talking about ... to make serious headway, I gotta get past Ruger's on-every-store-shelf trigger, CMC's drop-in, the AR-Gold ... and numerous attractively-priced others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. See, that's what I'm talking about ... to make serious headway, I gotta get past Ruger's on-every-store-shelf trigger, CMC's drop-in, the AR-Gold ... and numerous attractively-priced others. Yep. But to answer your question on competitiveness, @ $125 the MBT would be my default choice and recommendation to others. I get lots of people who have 1 AR or their second AR asking "what trigger..." Those guys inevitably don't want to spend what I'm willing to spend on a truly premium trigger. The CMC is often on sale for $130, is very good for that price point, has both curved and flat options, and is easy for them to install, and I have a couple myself so it's usually what I recommend when it's on sale. An MBT at $125, and that's out the window. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:20:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. But to answer your question on competitiveness, @ $125 the MBT would be my default choice and recommendation to others. I get lots of people who have 1 AR or their second AR asking "what trigger..." Those guys inevitably don't want to spend what I'm willing to spend on a truly premium trigger. The CMC is often on sale for $130, is very good for that price point, has both curved and flat options, and is easy for them to install, and I have a couple myself so it's usually what I recommend when it's on sale. An MBT at $125, and that's out the window. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. See, that's what I'm talking about ... to make serious headway, I gotta get past Ruger's on-every-store-shelf trigger, CMC's drop-in, the AR-Gold ... and numerous attractively-priced others. Yep. But to answer your question on competitiveness, @ $125 the MBT would be my default choice and recommendation to others. I get lots of people who have 1 AR or their second AR asking "what trigger..." Those guys inevitably don't want to spend what I'm willing to spend on a truly premium trigger. The CMC is often on sale for $130, is very good for that price point, has both curved and flat options, and is easy for them to install, and I have a couple myself so it's usually what I recommend when it's on sale. An MBT at $125, and that's out the window. How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:25:24 AM EDT
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How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As much as I enjoy my Geissele trigger, I think my next trigger purchase will be a CMC drop in flat trigger. I might regret it, but I think it's worth a try. You won't regret it. I love the SSA-E from Geissele. ..but my drop in single stage from CMC is a great trigger that don't regret buying at all. See, that's what I'm talking about ... to make serious headway, I gotta get past Ruger's on-every-store-shelf trigger, CMC's drop-in, the AR-Gold ... and numerous attractively-priced others. Yep. But to answer your question on competitiveness, @ $125 the MBT would be my default choice and recommendation to others. I get lots of people who have 1 AR or their second AR asking "what trigger..." Those guys inevitably don't want to spend what I'm willing to spend on a truly premium trigger. The CMC is often on sale for $130, is very good for that price point, has both curved and flat options, and is easy for them to install, and I have a couple myself so it's usually what I recommend when it's on sale. An MBT at $125, and that's out the window. How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? KNS pins or something similar like that I suppose. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:29:27 AM EDT
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Kuraki,
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Here is a good deal on 3.5 lb SINGLE stage for $95, mine is on its way 
http://www.jsesurplus.com/RISEARMAMENTDROPINTRIGGER3.5LBSPORTRA140SST-1.aspx For a two stage, I'm a big fan of the Larue. I've got several, and I'm waiting on a few more. Larue has stated they are going to make a flat trigger variant at some point, and I'm looking forward to trying it. Geissele's are always pretty good triggers, if you want to go with a Geissele they make special versions for Brownells that sell for less money. The B-G2S-E is a version of the G2S that feels like an SSA-E instead of an SSA. The B-GRF is like a S3G/SD3G but using the G2S cost saving techniques. Personally I have a SD-C, and I wish it was a SD-E. I tend to like lighter triggers and have no problem running a 3.5lb trigger. If budget is your biggest concern, then the RRA is very budget friendly and they feel much better than stock. They were recently on sale for $62. My preferred version is the 2 stage Varmint 3.5lb trigger. Legal Transfers on the equipment exchange often times sells them for $79 delivered. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:40:03 AM EDT
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Mark, Any plans for a single stage trigger?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:44:01 AM EDT
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Mark, Any plans for a single stage trigger? "We'll see" - said the Zen Master
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:45:28 AM EDT
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How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? Like LoadedDrum said, CMCs come with KNS style pins that are captured by torx screws. Franklin Armory's drop in actually has springs inserted into the body of the drop in to utilize normal FCG pins. I imagine there are other drop ins that may do that as well. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:56:08 AM EDT
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Like LoadedDrum said, CMCs come with KNS style pins that are captured by torx screws. Franklin Armory's drop in actually has springs inserted into the body of the drop in to utilize normal FCG pins. I imagine there are other drop ins that may do that as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? Like LoadedDrum said, CMCs come with KNS style pins that are captured by torx screws. Franklin Armory's drop in actually has springs inserted into the body of the drop in to utilize normal FCG pins. I imagine there are other drop ins that may do that as well. I have an older CMC in an AR-10 , thrigger pins are held by c-clips |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 9:58:09 AM EDT
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Unloaded and positioned Friday, electricians got juice to 'em Monday, techs are setting them up today ... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How's those new wire machines? I'm doing a 4 thou wire job now  Unloaded and positioned Friday, electricians got juice to 'em Monday, techs are setting them up today ... For a layman to understand...........what are these "wire machines" you speak of? |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:05:21 AM EDT
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How's those new wire machines? I'm doing a 4 thou wire job now Unloaded and positioned Friday, electricians got juice to 'em Monday, techs are setting them up today ... For a layman to understand...........what are these "wire machines" you speak of? GOOGLE IS UR FRIEND :p
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:07:31 AM EDT
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How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? Like LoadedDrum said, CMCs come with KNS style pins that are captured by torx screws. Franklin Armory's drop in actually has springs inserted into the body of the drop in to utilize normal FCG pins. I imagine there are other drop ins that may do that as well. I have an older CMC in an AR-10 , thrigger pins are held by c-clips Internal or external? That's interesting. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:07:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks for the info. Seen those before..........never realized they were called "wire" machines. High tech nonetheless. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:09:01 AM EDT
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How's those new wire machines? I'm doing a 4 thou wire job now Unloaded and positioned Friday, electricians got juice to 'em Monday, techs are setting them up today ... For a layman to understand...........what are these "wire machines" you speak of? Wire electro discharge machine. Basically uses a wire running between 2 points like a super precision bandsaw that can cut in all directions. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:12:09 AM EDT
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Thanks for the info. Seen those before..........never realized they were called "wire" machines. High tech nonetheless. Your welcome and from what i saw very high tech its insane the amount of tech going into AR parts making these days. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:21:46 AM EDT
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................. Wire electro discharge machine. Basically uses a wire running between 2 points like a super precision bandsaw that can cut in all directions. Yup, I didn't know that until just now after looking at the link Crazed Cat made for me. High tech stuff!! |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:33:54 AM EDT
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I wonder does Mark already have a flat bow trigger, he said its in the works but I wonder if he would happen to have some teaser pics
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:46:50 AM EDT
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I wonder does Mark already have a flat bow trigger, he said its in the works but I wonder if he would happen to have some teaser pics ?
Shot Show Starts monday hers hoping we see all kinds of new stuff from all of them |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:54:51 AM EDT
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I wonder does Mark already have a flat bow trigger, he said its in the works but I wonder if he would happen to have some teaser pics ?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 10:59:45 AM EDT
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Will someone post the world star link of these two getting it on at shot here please
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:01:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. If I buy a MBT do I get some of that magical dillo dust? I'll smoke something with it and send pics! Website is showing 199$ for the mbt-2s, why is everyone saying 125$ |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 11:01:44 AM EDT
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so, any pics of the new burners?
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:03:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2016 12:55:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I buy a MBT do I get some of that magical dillo dust? I'll smoke something with it and send pics! Website is showing 199$ for the mbt-2s, why is everyone saying 125$ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: ^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. If I buy a MBT do I get some of that magical dillo dust? I'll smoke something with it and send pics! Website is showing 199$ for the mbt-2s, why is everyone saying 125$ (soon being sometime this year) |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 3:18:18 PM EDT
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How the F does single unit triggers like CMC stay in place? I wonder because all other triggers like Larue, Geissele and use their own string tension on the trigger pins to hold the pins and trigger parts in place? But CMC triggers can't do that because it's all self contained? Like LoadedDrum said, CMCs come with KNS style pins that are captured by torx screws. Franklin Armory's drop in actually has springs inserted into the body of the drop in to utilize normal FCG pins. I imagine there are other drop ins that may do that as well. I have an older CMC in an AR-10 , thrigger pins are held by c-clips Internal or external? That's interesting. They have always been that way as far as I know. The POF comes with KNS but CMC has always had the clips I thought. The clips are external. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 3:24:29 PM EDT
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^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. If I buy a MBT do I get some of that magical dillo dust? I'll smoke something with it and send pics! Website is showing 199$ for the mbt-2s, why is everyone saying 125$ (soon being sometime this year) Bump, any idea when the MBT will be $125 again? My brother is looking for a trigger and I thought I'd lean him toward LaRue. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 7:21:21 PM EDT
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^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. Make one that is select fire and try it out. |
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Posted: 1/16/2016 8:05:44 PM EDT
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^^^ Our billet MBTs will run and run to boredom on our in-house trigger cycle test machine ... It will be interesting to see how many average cycles those SOCOM units make before the hammer snaps ... like most things, time will tell. Make one that is select fire and try it out. I bet he has since he has everything to do it already. Does being a suppressor manufacture give someone the legal ok to do it? |
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