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Posted: 12/12/2015 10:50:40 PM EDT
Its about that time of year when lots of people get radio controlled flying things or start thinking of buying them. Hopefully this thread can help answer questions, get you flying safely and create some r/c guys for life. And help you spend some money.
I have been flying r/c about 30 years now. I have flown sailplanes, powered sport, parkfliers, jets, helicopters and quads. I know we have some other r/c guys will jump in if I miss something or make a mistake. I will start out with what I think are the most common questions and try to answer any that pop up. Having said that, I spent the day with 30 4 year olds, I will try to stay as long as I can. One thing I want to throw out there is that r/c guys are some of the most open and nice guys you will ever meet. Stop buy a local club. With one exception I have never seen a club that didn't absolutely love new people that didn't know anything but were interested. Imagine walking into a gun club and asking a few questions and ended up shooting a M2 with 1000 rounds of free ammo and someone offering you a few AR if you are interested. That's most airplane clubs. Questions: What is the ARFCOM of r/c? Easy. Great guys, tons of knowledge, avoid the gun threads. www.rcgroups.com What is the NRA of r/c airplanes? Academy of Model Aeronautics. Awesome organization that does a lot to promote and further model aviation. They also provide insurance at a very low rate that is required to fly at most fields and is a CYA. http://www.modelaircraft.org/ Who is the Palmetto State Arms of R/C? Depends. The big three are below. www.towerhobbies.com www.horizonhobby.com www.hobbyking.com How much? Like anything else, it depends. I would say it start at around $250 and goes as high as you want to go. Anything cheaper than that is going to be kicking "toy" status. Let me make a clarification here and why its important. They are all "toy airplanes" but some are designed by people that know what they are doing and care. There is a lot of stuff coming out of china that is crap, some that is workable and some that is frankly amazing. The problem is as a new guy you won't know the difference. The key is to get a solid start, THEN decide what you can handle or fix. Think in terms of a newbie telling you they want to start shooting, but don't want to spend too much. Are you going to tell him a Glock or Jimenez Arms? Sure the Jimenez is cheap, but is a waste of money and a wonderful way to make him hate shooting. My avatar is a fully molded carbon fiber sailplane. With the airframe and servos in it you are looking at about $2000. Good example: Apprentice: https://www.hobbyzone.com/rc-airplanes/rtf/EFL3100.html An example of proven brands would be EFlite, ParkZone, Hobbico, Futaba, JR, Great Planes. I am biased, but most of the stuff that comes out of the Horizon umbrella, Eflite, JR and Parkzone, have proven to be great. The customer service is outstanding. How high? As far as you can see. I have had a few over about 3K. That is a 4m airplane that is a spec. How fast? Current world record is an unpowered sailplane using a technique called dynamic soaring. 505Mph. No that isn't a typo and isn't a scale speed. How hard is it to learn to fly? How hard is it to learn to shoot? It isn't. Start safely, then learn to expand horizons. The easiest and safest way is to start with a simulator. You plug a device into your computer that connects to an r/c transmitter and a program runs a simulation. You can crash a million times and just hit reset. There are two things that are "tricky". One is when the airplane heads towards you. Some of the controls are reversed. Heading away from you pushing the stick right makes the plane go right. Coming towards you pushing it right makes it go left. This is x1000 worse when flying a helicopter. Then there is landing. You have to get low, slow and start making some distance guesstimates. The other, great, option is to get a flight instructor and fly real r/c airplanes. Not to worry, he has a "buddy box" and can take over when you get in over your head. So which simulator? Again, I am biased. RealFlight has some great features, but in my experienced is a little too easy. Someone will be along shortly to tell me i am wrong. Phoenix : http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/airplane-radios/simulators/phoenix-r-c-pro-simulator-v50-with-dx4e-rtm50r4400 RealFlight : http://www.amazon.com/Great-Planes-Flight-Tactic-TTX600/dp/B00G7JCX5I Can't I just try on my own? It CAN happen. It doesn't often work well. Find a club or an instructor, it will save you a ton of time and heartbreak. But where would I find someone? Those AMA people. http://www.modelaircraft.org/membership/clubs.aspx What if I break my plane? Planes break. All planes will eventually meet their maker. However, in the past decade things have changed. Many companies build planes out of EPP foam. Its the stuff used in bumpers of cars. It bounces. When it doesn't it is pretty easy to fix. Over and over again. Most airplanes these days tend to come in a pretty advanced state of construction and can be flown pretty quickly after opening the box. What are the "parts"? At minimum you have an airframe, a transmitter (or radio, never controller) the pilot holds, a receiver and battery in the airplane, and servos. The servos control the control surfaces. Unless its a quad/drone, then it controls the controller and ESC. If it is an airplane with power it has a brushless motor, an ESC electronic speed control and a battery, most likely chemistry of LiPo. What is the hardest type of flying. This is the 9MM/45 debate of the r/c world. To me learning to fly FPV has been hard. It is a terrible combination of full scale and r/c flying that has my brain befuddled at the moment. I can do either but not both. I would say the hardest is r/c helicopters. An inverted, nose-in, hover 1 foot off the ground is a challenge. Second would be scale sailplanes. They can behave badly and there is no "go around". Jets (EDF) are fun but were not particularly challenging. I bet turbines would be different. Normal sport flying isn't particularly challenging once you get it down. In general quads are very easy. Some pics/videos to get us started. Ask away. My FPV 250 racing quad. Why I would spend the money. What a 100mph jet looks like. |
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Its about that time of year when lots of people get radio controlled flying things or start thinking of buying them. Hopefully this thread can help answer questions, get you flying safely and create some r/c guys for life. And help you spend some money. I have been flying r/c about 30 years now. I have flown sailplanes, powered sport, parkfliers, jets, helicopters and quads. I know we have some other r/c guys will jump in if I miss something or make a mistake. I will start out with what I think are the most common questions and try to answer any that pop up. Having said that, I spent the day with 30 4 year olds, I will try to stay as long as I can. One thing I want to throw out there is that r/c guys are some of the most open and nice guys you will ever meet. Stop buy a local club. With one exception I have never seen a club that didn't absolutely love new people that didn't know anything but were interested. Imagine walking into a gun club and asking a few questions and ended up shooting a M2 with 1000 rounds of free ammo and someone offering you a few AR if you are interested. That's most airplane clubs. Questions: What is the ARFCOM of r/c? Easy. Great guys, tons of knowledge, avoid the gun threads. www.rcgroups.com What is the NRA of r/c airplanes? Academy of Model Aeronautics. Awesome organization that does a lot to promote and further model aviation. They also provide insurance at a very low rate that is required to fly at most fields and is a CYA. http://www.modelaircraft.org/ Who is the Palmetto State Arms of R/C? Depends. The big three are below. www.towerhobbies.com www.horizonhobby.com www.hobbyking.com How much? Like anything else, it depends. I would say it start at around $250 and goes as high as you want to go. Anything cheaper than that is going to be kicking "toy" status. Let me make a clarification here and why its important. They are all "toy airplanes" but some are designed by people that know what they are doing and care. There is a lot of stuff coming out of china that is crap, some that is workable and some that is frankly amazing. The problem is as a new guy you won't know the difference. The key is to get a solid start, THEN decide what you can handle or fix. Think in terms of a newbie telling you they want to start shooting, but don't want to spend too much. Are you going to tell him a Glock or Jimenez Arms? Sure the Jimenez is cheap, but is a waste of money and a wonderful way to make him hate shooting. My avatar is a fully molded carbon fiber sailplane. With the airframe and servos in it you are looking at about $2000. Good example: Apprentice: https://www.hobbyzone.com/rc-airplanes/rtf/EFL3100.html An example of proven brands would be EFlite, ParkZone, Hobbico, Futaba, JR, Great Planes. I am biased, but most of the stuff that comes out of the Horizon umbrella, Eflite, JR and Parkzone, have proven to be great. The customer service is outstanding. How high? As far as you can see. I have had a few over about 3K. That is a 4m airplane that is a spec. How fast? Current world record is an unpowered sailplane using a technique called dynamic soaring. 505Mph. No that isn't a typo and isn't a scale speed. How hard is it to learn to fly? How hard is it to learn to shoot? It isn't. Start safely, then learn to expand horizons. The easiest and safest way is to start with a simulator. You plug a device into your computer that connects to an r/c transmitter and a program runs a simulation. You can crash a million times and just hit reset. There are two things that are "tricky". One is when the airplane heads towards you. Some of the controls are reversed. Heading away from you pushing the stick right makes the plane go right. Coming towards you pushing it right makes it go left. This is x1000 worse when flying a helicopter. Then there is landing. You have to get low, slow and start making some distance guesstimates. The other, great, option is to get a flight instructor and fly real r/c airplanes. Not to worry, he has a "buddy box" and can take over when you get in over your head. So which simulator? Again, I am biased. RealFlight has some great features, but in my experienced is a little too easy. Someone will be along shortly to tell me i am wrong. Phoenix : http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/airplane-radios/simulators/phoenix-r-c-pro-simulator-v50-with-dx4e-rtm50r4400 RealFlight : http://www.amazon.com/Great-Planes-Flight-Tactic-TTX600/dp/B00G7JCX5I Can't I just try on my own? It CAN happen. It doesn't often work well. Find a club or an instructor, it will save you a ton of time and heartbreak. But where would I find someone? Those AMA people. http://www.modelaircraft.org/membership/clubs.aspx What if I break my plane? Planes break. All planes will eventually meet their maker. However, in the past decade things have changed. Many companies build planes out of EPP foam. Its the stuff used in bumpers of cars. It bounces. When it doesn't it is pretty easy to fix. Over and over again. Most airplanes these days tend to come in a pretty advanced state of construction and can be flown pretty quickly after opening the box. What are the "parts"? At minimum you have an airframe, a transmitter (or radio, never controller) the pilot holds, a receiver and battery in the airplane, and servos. The servos control the control surfaces. Unless its a quad/drone, then it controls the controller and ESC. If it is an airplane with power it has a brushless motor, an ESC electronic speed control and a battery, most likely chemistry of LiPo. What is the hardest type of flying. This is the 9MM/45 debate of the r/c world. To me learning to fly FPV has been hard. It is a terrible combination of full scale and r/c flying that has my brain befuddled at the moment. I can do either but not both. I would say the hardest is r/c helicopters. An inverted, nose-in, hover 1 foot off the ground is a challenge. Second would be scale sailplanes. They can behave badly and there is no "go around". Jets (EDF) are fun but were not particularly challenging. I bet turbines would be different. Normal sport flying isn't particularly challenging once you get it down. In general quads are very easy. Some pics/videos to get us started. Ask away. My FPV 250 racing quad. http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af67/broken_reticle/quad.jpg Why I would spend the money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQuEgVNAQhE What a 100mph jet looks like. http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af67/broken_reticle/arfcom/squall3.500.jpg View Quote Thanks How about a parts list on that racing quad? |
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Quoted: Thanks How about a parts list on that racing quad? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Its about that time of year when lots of people get radio controlled flying things or start thinking of buying them. Hopefully this thread can help answer questions, get you flying safely and create some r/c guys for life. And help you spend some money. http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af67/broken_reticle/quad.jpg Why I would spend the money. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQuEgVNAQhE What a 100mph jet looks like. http://i994.photobucket.com/albums/af67/broken_reticle/arfcom/squall3.500.jpg Thanks How about a parts list on that racing quad? before I say anything, refer to this thread. http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2180331&page=2206 I bought this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00YACIDNU And this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GWFUTSK And this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N3IVJVU And this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SWHWFWO But I had this, so I save a ton of money! https://alofthobbies.com/frsky-taranis-plus-transmitter-with-travel-case.html The kit was actually pretty decent. I would probably go with a NAZE32 controller, but the CC3D works. |
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Ok, thanks. I've been looking at that copter kit on Ebay for awhile. How was it to build and get set up. I'm a total newb, but know my way around in the mechanical and fabrication world. Electronic controls are another matter though.
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I used to fly about 20 years ago.
Nitromethane was just about the only game in town. There were a few viable electrics, but they were heavy and the run time was short. Now, it seems like most RC planes are electric. I got pretty good at flying, although I never got beyond high-wing trainers (Eagle 63) and Cub replicas. But it was still a lot of fun. I've thought about getting into it again, but that's one more hobby I don't have time or money to throw at. |
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Quoted: Ok, thanks. I've been looking at that copter kit on Ebay for awhile. How was it to build and get set up. I'm a total newb, but know my way around in the mechanical and fabrication world. Electronic controls are another matter though. View Quote It is workable, but not something I would recommend to someone that wanted something 100% RTG. There were a lot of odd things that threw me off, but I have pretty much a hobby shop in my reach. Even at that some of the controls stuff with the flight controller have taken some time to work out. It isn't PNP, but it is pretty awesome. |
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Quoted: I used to fly about 20 years ago. Nitromethane was just about the only game in town. There were a few viable electrics, but they were heavy and the run time was short. Now, it seems like most RC planes are electric. I got pretty good at flying, although I never got beyond high-wing trainers (Eagle 63) and Cub replicas. But it was still a lot of fun. I've thought about getting into it again, but that's one more hobby I don't have time or money to throw at. View Quote Honestly, nitro is in my blood. God I love the smell. I really love the smell of 30% and castro. But times have changed. Imagine you take your Eagle out and it flies for 15 minutes and lands. It never quits on you. You never touch a needle valve. That is electric flight. Here to stay. |
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Honestly, nitro is in my blood. God I love the smell. I really love the smell of 30% and castro. But times have changed. Imagine you take your Eagle out and it flies for 15 minutes and lands. It never quits on you. You never touch a needle valve. That is electric flight. Here to stay. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I used to fly about 20 years ago. Nitromethane was just about the only game in town. There were a few viable electrics, but they were heavy and the run time was short. Now, it seems like most RC planes are electric. I got pretty good at flying, although I never got beyond high-wing trainers (Eagle 63) and Cub replicas. But it was still a lot of fun. I've thought about getting into it again, but that's one more hobby I don't have time or money to throw at. Honestly, nitro is in my blood. God I love the smell. I really love the smell of 30% and castro. But times have changed. Imagine you take your Eagle out and it flies for 15 minutes and lands. It never quits on you. You never touch a needle valve. That is electric flight. Here to stay. Oh yeah. I hated messing with nitromethane and glo-plugs. There were times when the engine just wouldn't run right and it made for some pretty interesting landing scenarios. But, like you, I do remember the smell to this day and associate it with lots of good times. I was just looking at electric conversions for the Eagle. Intriguing. Even when they first started doing them, they pretty much matched the performance and run times of the gas engines, so I imagine they'd be better now But, I'd have to find/build an Eagle first...probably not going to happen. What would be a good setup that would mimic the old Eagle, but in a smaller electric package? That Eagle was nice, but there weren't a lot of places you could fly it due to its size. I'd like something with 4 channels, high wing, light wing loading, and durability, for not a lot of money. |
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Cool stuff. I've often thought about picking RC up as another hobby but then I realize just how uncoordinated and slow I am. I would crash one of those in .001 seconds.
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I tried nitro with a cheap kit that ended tragically...only electric for me now. http://www.nwoo.net/i/rc.jpg View Quote What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. |
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I loved nitro, but the hassle kept me away from it as far as RC aircraft was concerned.
I used to race electric cars in the late 80's and into the early 90's. I took a break and got back into it in 2012. The advances in motor and battery technology was daunting at first, but I learned about all that new fangled stuff pretty quickly. When I realized RC aircraft could be had with brushless motors and lithium polymer battery chemistry, I jumped right in. I don't regret the decision. |
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Quoted: I tried nitro with a cheap kit that ended tragically...only electric for me now. http://www.nwoo.net/i/rc.jpg View Quote Ended tragically as well |
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Quoted: What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I tried nitro with a cheap kit that ended tragically...only electric for me now. http://www.nwoo.net/i/rc.jpg What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. I'm guessing a Multiplex Fun Cub. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXZWL8&P=8 I have a MPX Mentor I modded with flaps. It is ridiculously fun to fly. |
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I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits.
I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. x-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. x-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr |
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Quoted: What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I tried nitro with a cheap kit that ended tragically...only electric for me now. http://www.nwoo.net/i/rc.jpg What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. I taught myself on a Hobbyzone Super Cub It is incredibly resistant to destruction, and parts are very cheap and every R/C aircraft hobby store carries them. I did it the hard way.... started with the old crappy RTF(Ready To Fly) kit and learned a few asics. Got tired of that and found a Super Cub forum, where they do crazy mods. Added brushless electric, and added ailerons. I currently have ailerons, flaps and now lights added on my 2rd wing that I've made for this plane. (The first had just ailerons and I left in the dihedral - see spoiler) Click To View Spoiler |
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I'm guessing a Multiplex Fun Cub. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXZWL8&P=8 I have a MPX Mentor I modded with flaps. It is ridiculously fun to fly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I tried nitro with a cheap kit that ended tragically...only electric for me now. http://www.nwoo.net/i/rc.jpg What's the Cub lookin' plane with the oversized landing gear? That looks awesome. I'm guessing a Multiplex Fun Cub. http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?I=LXZWL8&P=8 I have a MPX Mentor I modded with flaps. It is ridiculously fun to fly. It is a fun cub, the motor/prop combo I put in it is a bit too big (like 10:1 power/weight) but it will take off in about 3' and has plenty of power to get you out of trouble. |
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I have an Flitetest Electrohub and a Blackout 6" quad. I've had ZERO time to fly this year
Beautiful weather today, except wind is about 25 mph right now It's been my luck that everyday I don't have something else going on, West Texas wind is really kicking. |
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Quoted: I recently bought an E-flite Rare Bear, holy shit this thing is fast! Easily hits 100+ mph in level flight. Haven't flown it much though, living in south florida its difficult to find a place to fly without going to a club. (not my pic) http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/horizonhobby/EFL1275_b0?wid=1400&hei=778 View Quote the foam biplanes are awesome for small areas, like a football/baseball soccer field |
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I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits. I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ba9i6Z" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/23075953775_06457b3cdb_o.jpg</a>x-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/AZLUtb" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22969931816_c08888a0f5_o.jpg</a>x-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr View Quote I just Googled FPV racing. Looks like fun! |
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Quoted: I recently bought an E-flite Rare Bear, holy shit this thing is fast! Easily hits 100+ mph in level flight. Haven't flown it much though, living in south florida its difficult to find a place to fly without going to a club. (not my pic) http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/horizonhobby/EFL1275_b0?wid=1400&hei=778 View Quote Is Markham still open to everyone? I learned to crash at a field that now holds an Ikea. ETA: Damn, Markham park is nice now. When I flew there we were lucky to have picnic tables. |
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Quoted: I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits. I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/23075953775_06457b3cdb_o.jpgx-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22969931816_c08888a0f5_o.jpgx-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr View Quote That is a pretty slick design. I can barely pack all the crap into my 250, not sure how I would get everything on that. I am shocked how the FPV stuff has taken off, in the many years of flying I have never seen anything explode quite like this. It will be interesting to see how big it gets and how long it lasts. I can say trying to learn to fly all over again has been interesting. I have purchased a LOT of props. |
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That is a pretty slick design. I can barely pack all the crap into my 250, not sure how I would get everything on that. I am shocked how the FPV stuff has taken off, in the many years of flying I have never seen anything explode quite like this. It will be interesting to see how big it gets and how long it lasts. I can say trying to learn to fly all over again has been interesting. I have purchased a LOT of props. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits. I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/23075953775_06457b3cdb_o.jpgx-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22969931816_c08888a0f5_o.jpgx-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr That is a pretty slick design. I can barely pack all the crap into my 250, not sure how I would get everything on that. I am shocked how the FPV stuff has taken off, in the many years of flying I have never seen anything explode quite like this. It will be interesting to see how big it gets and how long it lasts. I can say trying to learn to fly all over again has been interesting. I have purchased a LOT of props. One word for you(actually three) DAL Unbreakable Props. They aren't quite unbreakable, but they are TOUGH. I can get through a whole day of racing with one set usually where when I was flying with HQ props, I was going through them like crazy. As for my 182mm frame, everything fits fine on this frame, but it is for an advanced builder. There is a PDB board on the bottom of the stack that has built in 5V and 12V for the FPV equipment. Next in the stack is a Naze 32 flight controller. Everything is depinned and directly soldered, including the FrSky X4R receiver. AUW is 390 grams with a 3s 1300mah battery. The carbon version should be about 20 grams lighter. PDB, ESCs and Motors x-frame 9 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr Flight Controller with soldered connections and video transmitter and camera cables in place x-frame 10 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr |
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Quoted: One word for you(actually three) DAL Unbreakable Props. They aren't quite unbreakable, but they are TOUGH. I can get through a whole day of racing with one set usually where when I was flying with HQ props, I was going through them like crazy. As for my 182mm frame, everything fits fine on this frame, but it is for an advanced builder. There is a PDB board on the bottom of the stack that has built in 5V and 12V for the FPV equipment. Next in the stack is a Naze 32 flight controller. Everything is depinned and directly soldered, including the FrSky X4R receiver. AUW is 390 grams with a 3s 1300mah battery. The carbon version should be about 20 grams lighter. PDB, ESCs and Motors https://farm1.staticflickr.com/644/22453146134_7edbb24a6e_o.jpgx-frame 9 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr Flight Controller with soldered connections and video transmitter and camera cables in place https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5627/23075954265_d1d67287c1_o.jpgx-frame 10 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr View Quote Neat. I am a network engineer, so messes of cables just kicks my OCD into overdrive. I'm still learning a lot to make the whole FPV quad work there is a lot of rework. I'll get there, but I see why the guys buy the RTF ones. Just ordered some 1300mah lipos, should lighten things up and make flying a little easier. I stared with the CC3D controller, I guess its starting to look like that is a dead end. |
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I stared with the CC3D controller, I guess its starting to look like that is a dead end. View Quote The CC3D will work fine. Are you using the stock firmware? If so I HIGHLY SUGGEST downloading the BorisB Betaflight firmware and burning it on your CC3D. This new firmware works with both the CC3D and Naze 32. It is worlds better in flight feel and has extras like "Air Mode" among others. You can read about it and download it here: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2464844 |
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Is Markham still open to everyone? I learned to crash at a field that now holds an Ikea. ETA: Damn, Markham park is nice now. When I flew there we were lucky to have picnic tables. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I recently bought an E-flite Rare Bear, holy shit this thing is fast! Easily hits 100+ mph in level flight. Haven't flown it much though, living in south florida its difficult to find a place to fly without going to a club. (not my pic) http://s7d5.scene7.com/is/image/horizonhobby/EFL1275_b0?wid=1400&hei=778 Is Markham still open to everyone? I learned to crash at a field that now holds an Ikea. ETA: Damn, Markham park is nice now. When I flew there we were lucky to have picnic tables. Markham is there, its great. I've never flown there but I've camped there and gone to the shooting range/ shot trap there. If you plan you day out you can shoot in the morning, fly in the afternoon and then camp |
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Never seen the FPV stuff before... damn now I want one. View Quote Whatever you do, DO NOT watch these then https://youtu.be/NsxyV-kgfio https://youtu.be/ro26WwMvMrc https://youtu.be/pSHjo17nA_M |
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One word for you(actually three) DAL Unbreakable Props. They aren't quite unbreakable, but they are TOUGH. I can get through a whole day of racing with one set usually where when I was flying with HQ props, I was going through them like crazy. As for my 182mm frame, everything fits fine on this frame, but it is for an advanced builder. There is a PDB board on the bottom of the stack that has built in 5V and 12V for the FPV equipment. Next in the stack is a Naze 32 flight controller. Everything is depinned and directly soldered, including the FrSky X4R receiver. AUW is 390 grams with a 3s 1300mah battery. The carbon version should be about 20 grams lighter. PDB, ESCs and Motors <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ad7f6d" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/644/22453146134_7edbb24a6e_o.jpg</a>x-frame 9 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr Flight Controller with soldered connections and video transmitter and camera cables in place <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ba9ifr" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5627/23075954265_d1d67287c1_o.jpg</a>x-frame 10 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits. I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/23075953775_06457b3cdb_o.jpgx-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22969931816_c08888a0f5_o.jpgx-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr That is a pretty slick design. I can barely pack all the crap into my 250, not sure how I would get everything on that. I am shocked how the FPV stuff has taken off, in the many years of flying I have never seen anything explode quite like this. It will be interesting to see how big it gets and how long it lasts. I can say trying to learn to fly all over again has been interesting. I have purchased a LOT of props. One word for you(actually three) DAL Unbreakable Props. They aren't quite unbreakable, but they are TOUGH. I can get through a whole day of racing with one set usually where when I was flying with HQ props, I was going through them like crazy. As for my 182mm frame, everything fits fine on this frame, but it is for an advanced builder. There is a PDB board on the bottom of the stack that has built in 5V and 12V for the FPV equipment. Next in the stack is a Naze 32 flight controller. Everything is depinned and directly soldered, including the FrSky X4R receiver. AUW is 390 grams with a 3s 1300mah battery. The carbon version should be about 20 grams lighter. PDB, ESCs and Motors <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ad7f6d" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/644/22453146134_7edbb24a6e_o.jpg</a>x-frame 9 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr Flight Controller with soldered connections and video transmitter and camera cables in place <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ba9ifr" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5627/23075954265_d1d67287c1_o.jpg</a>x-frame 10 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr That is awesome. |
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Few other web sites for people after they get a handle on fixed point of view flying...
FPV flying. Readymaderc.com Flitetest.com Fpvlab.com Those things, with IBcrazy's links and intros on Youtube can help a person go pretty far. Flitetest foam core builds are about as cheap as you can get for fixed wing fun. Combine hobbyking cheap motors and parts and it is possible to be in the air for less than 60 bucks. Did my first flying wing from flitetest and cannot be happier for a cheap set of relaxing fun. Flitetest has a good youtube channel as well. Not to mention Peter is an ARFcommer. |
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Great timing! In this price range, $700 what do you think of this intro quad?
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Great timing! In this price range, $700 what do you think of this intro quad?http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-3-standard I will probably only use it as a novelty. Thank you for your thoughts. View Quote Thats alright. I think Sams Club had them for 500-600 a while back. |
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I've been flying R/C for 20+ years. I even had an R/C manufacturing business for 12 years and designed and sold 40,000 kits. I said all that to say this. FPV Racing is the pinnacle now of where its at. FPV Racing is a brand new sport at is growing at a HUGE PACE Dubai has announced a World Champion event to be held this next year with the Grand Prize of $1,000,000.00 for first place. http://www.emirates247.com/sports/local/dubai-launches-million-dollar-world-drone-prix-2015-12-12-1.613732 Since I started FPV Racing this summer, all my other planes and helis have been gathering dust. There is really nothing like it out there. It truly feels like you are sitting inside the quad as you fly through the gates. Here's my personal design that I am racing now, a 182mm FPV racer that swings 5" props. This is just a prototype cut from fiberglass. My full carbon frames should be in in a couple days. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/Ba9i6Z" target="_blank">https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/23075953775_06457b3cdb_o.jpg</a>x-frame 12 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr And to show you how small these things really are. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/AZLUtb" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/663/22969931816_c08888a0f5_o.jpg</a>x-frame 8 by Andrew Marjama, on Flickr View Quote wow... that is bad ass. the behavior of that thing must be instantaneous. i will try fpv quads at some point but for now I just want to do fixed wing high speed terrain following stuff at a spot I fly in the middle of nowhere. i started fpv by taking a decent flying foamy 2.3m glider and weighing it down to a pig. When I didnt have an OSD it was pretty good flying with just camera and video transmitter with an 1800mah battery. Could actually thermal. But orientation was a pain in the ass. Once the OSD went in everything started to get too heavy. At some point I want to go balsa 3m and go light weight for duration flying but I am not there yet. I will likely get better results with a flying wing and 4500mah and learning to fly efficiently. I am on low power 5.8ghz for video and need to get a decent diversity receiver so I can throw on a crosshair or high gain directional with a decent circular polarized mushroom for short range. I would also like a RSSI antenna tracker. Not a fan of the packet/gps trackers after having it glitch on me once. |
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ive been looking at these while at work for a couple weeks.
ive raced alot of off road in the past 2wd sct 4wd sct 2wd 10th scale buggy 8th scale nitro buggy ive got a trex 100 heli that ive flown indoors the biggest thing holding me back is I want a quality built kit (essentially RTF) I dont know much about air transmitters, would a DX6I work well for a racer style drone? |
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I used to fly planes. Pretty sure I am going to look at a DJI drone w/ camera setup....looks fun.
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wow... that is bad ass. the behavior of that thing must be instantaneous. i will try fpv quads at some point but for now I just want to do fixed wing high speed terrain following stuff at a spot I fly in the middle of nowhere. i started fpv by taking a decent flying foamy 2.3m glider and weighing it down to a pig. At some point I want to go balsa 3m and go light weight for duration flying but I am not there yet. I will likely get better results with a flying wing and 4500mah and learning to fly efficiently. View Quote Yeah, it has around a 10:1 power ratio. In forward flight, the quad is agled at around 80 degrees. It will do about 75 m.p.h. flip over, brake and go in the opposite direction almost instantly. I don't know what kind of G's it must be pulling. It is insanely fun to fly. |
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ive been looking at these while at work for a couple weeks. ive raced alot of off road in the past 2wd sct 4wd sct 2wd 10th scale buggy 8th scale nitro buggy ive got a trex 100 heli that ive flown indoors the biggest thing holding me back is I want a quality built kit (essentially RTF) I dont know much about air transmitters, would a DX6I work well for a racer style drone? Look at the eflite BNF stuff. the Vortex 250 looks interesting. im not sure if everything being integrated is good or not. $500 is a bit much for me as well. I may look at a kit that you build on amazon, my soldering skills should be good enough. Flysky transmitters look appealing as well |
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ive been looking at these while at work for a couple weeks. ive raced alot of off road in the past 2wd sct 4wd sct 2wd 10th scale buggy 8th scale nitro buggy ive got a trex 100 heli that ive flown indoors the biggest thing holding me back is I want a quality built kit (essentially RTF) I dont know much about air transmitters, would a DX6I work well for a racer style drone? View Quote The DX6I will work fine. For RTF, you have a couple options: The Eachine 250 Racer: http://www.banggood.com/Eachine-Racer-250-FPV-Drone-Built-in-5_8G-Transmitter-OSD-With-HD-Camera-BNF-Version-p-995366.html Or the Vortex: http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__80271__ImmersionRC_Vortex_PNF_FPV_Racing_Quad_Race_Motor_Ver_.html |
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Yeah, it has around a 10:1 power ratio. In forward flight, the quad is agled at around 80 degrees. It will do about 75 m.p.h. flip over, brake and go in the opposite direction almost instantly. I don't know what kind of G's it must be pulling. It is insanely fun to fly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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wow... that is bad ass. the behavior of that thing must be instantaneous. i will try fpv quads at some point but for now I just want to do fixed wing high speed terrain following stuff at a spot I fly in the middle of nowhere. i started fpv by taking a decent flying foamy 2.3m glider and weighing it down to a pig. At some point I want to go balsa 3m and go light weight for duration flying but I am not there yet. I will likely get better results with a flying wing and 4500mah and learning to fly efficiently. Yeah, it has around a 10:1 power ratio. In forward flight, the quad is agled at around 80 degrees. It will do about 75 m.p.h. flip over, brake and go in the opposite direction almost instantly. I don't know what kind of G's it must be pulling. It is insanely fun to fly. Have any of your videos online to view? I have watched flitetest and charpu do their various demos. I would absolutely be real time low latency security TV camera versus the gopro stuff that flitetest uses. They actually did a very cool video on the latency issues of using a gopro recently. i cannot believe there is that much money in FPV racing but it makes sense. i used to love stunt flying in games like BF2 and it is where I gained ky hand eye coordination. A good FPV wing would provide much of the thrills/freedom for flying that no sane person could ever attempt in a real plane. I am sure once that gets old I will go for FPV free form flying. I want to do a fpv rock crawler at some point as well. I could feed the video input to my garage where I have a 130 inch projected big screen. Rock crawl my back yard. Other than a few foam core builds early this year I have done NOTHING with R/C this year. Too much time spent working and paying for my obsession which is 3 mustangs. Between an new engine for my 95, rebuilds on my 05, and buying a 2015 I am tapped out trying to get it all done. I figure last year and the year before I spent 1k each year on various bits for FPV flying. Pretty easy to get distracted with it. |
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I was just looking at electric conversions for the Eagle. Intriguing. Even when they first started doing them, they pretty much matched the performance and run times of the gas engines, so I imagine they'd be better now But, I'd have to find/build an Eagle first...probably not going to happen. What would be a good setup that would mimic the old Eagle, but in a smaller electric package? That Eagle was nice, but there weren't a lot of places you could fly it due to its size. I'd like something with 4 channels, high wing, light wing loading, and durability, for not a lot of money. View Quote If you are up for building, look into a new telemaster from hobby express (used to be the guys' hobby lobby) Also look up Stevens Aero and Mountain Models. Their balsa kits pretty much lock together, and then you just wick some CA glue on the joints for the most part. They build very quick, and they both have easy flying planes. You can build a kit and get the radio for not too much $$$ now. I would avoid Hobby King, or at least avoid at all costs getting anything from their warehouse in Arkansas - they will rip you off and will not respond to any customer service inquiries HeadsUp RC and Altitude Hobbies are better alternatives to HobbyKing. |
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Quoted: Can't I just try on my own? It CAN happen. It doesn't often work well. Find a club or an instructor, it will save you a ton of time and heartbreak. View Quote SAFE is the answer, IMHO. I bought a Hobbyzone Sport Cub S a couple months ago. Previously I have only flown Air Hogs helicopters indoors. $130 RTF. http://www.horizonhobby.com/product/airplanes/safe-technology/ready-to-fly/sport-cub-s-rtf-with-safe-reg%3B-technology-hbz4400 It is a little foam park flyer that comes in a fitted box that makes it easy to transport. The SAFE receiver has 3 different flight modes, beginner, intermediate, and experienced. Also has a panic button to override everything and level itself out, great for when you are trying something new and you mess up, it can save you. If you use a little common sense it is nearly impossible to crash in the beginner mode. After you start getting cocky and using the I and E modes, it can be patched up with scotch tape. Replacement parts are pretty cheap. I fly on a football field but it doesn't really need that much space. The only real drawback is due to its small size wind over about 5-6mph will toss it around pretty bad. The Apprentice you linked to also has a SAFE receiver. In retrospect I should have bought that for my next plane. Instead I bought the Parkzone Sport Cub and transplanted in the SAFE receiver from that Apprentice. Hope to maiden it this week. |
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