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Posted: 12/19/2015 5:57:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The incident involved a police officer shooting a private citizen. Care to point out anything that indicates that was not the case? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, that is not the same thing as what happened aince the shooter was one of the privileged LE class. I edited my post above yours to add: Something closer would be the "private citizen" came home and a suspected burglar was coming out of his house. A vehicle chase ensued and the suspected burglar crashed. The "private citizen" jumped out of his vehicle and approached the overturned vehicle. The "private citizen heard movement in the vehicle and the "private citizen" drew his legally carried firearm. The suspected burglar popped up and the "private citizen" accidentally discharged his firearm hitting the suspected burglar in the neck. So a police officer seeing a private citizen driving down the road is the same as a private citizen seeing a burglar exiting their home, ie. every private citizen has committed a crime in the eyes of the police officer. Wow, that really does narrow it down as to why the prosecutor didn't go after the officer. I don't think you read the article. The incident involved a police officer shooting a private citizen. Care to point out anything that indicates that was not the case? Also, the part in red is what I was specifically responding to: So a police officer seeing a private citizen driving down the road is the same as a private citizen seeing a burglar exiting their home, ie. every private citizen has committed a crime in the eyes of the police officer. Which is why I didn't think you read the article. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:06:46 PM EDT
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The shooting victim was either the driver or the passenger. The officer witnessed the vehicle leaving a bar and then followed the vehicle. A home owner usually has a decent idea of who is, and is not, supposed to be coming and going from their home. So, a private citizen driving down the road is viewed the same by a police officer as a person engaged in burglary of a home is to the private citizen home owner according to you. Thank you for being honest about that. No wonder shootings by officers rarely result in criminal or civil sanctions against the officer. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:12:34 PM EDT
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Just responding to your comment: Quoted: I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit. It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it occurred just chalked it up as an accident. Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:15:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The shooting victim was either the driver or the passenger. The officer witnessed the vehicle leaving a bar and then followed the vehicle. A home owner usually has a decent idea of who is, and is not, supposed to be coming and going from their home. So, a private citizen driving down the road is viewed the same by a police officer as a person engaged in burglary of a home is to the private citizen home owner according to you. Thank you for being honest about that. No wonder shootings by officers rarely result in criminal or civil sanctions against the officer. The shooting victim was the driver. What did the officer actually witness? He saw a Toyota Four-Runner speeding out of the Canteena Bar parking lot without headlights on. The cop followed as the Toyota ran a red light and turned onto Pearson Road where the driver, 26-year-old Andrew Thomas struck the median and flipped, ejecting his 23-year-old wife Darien Ehorn from the vehicle. You are not being honest about the circumstances. FWIW, I don't support the officer, but the drunk driver isn't innocent either. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:19:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just responding to your comment: Quoted: I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit. It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it occurred just chalked it up as an accident. Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:19:13 PM EDT
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"This shooting is not justified, but also not criminal." Will they stick to that claim if one of theirs is gunned down getting out of a car? What would the circumstances be? "I was SOCMOB when he pulled up, looked directly at me, and began to exit his car, drawing his pistol as he did so. While he did not present an instantaneous threat of DF and was not a shootable fleeing felon under Garner, I drew my own gun, pointed it at his head, put my finger on the trigger and the gun somehow went off." What is "SOCMOB"? Standing On Corner Minding Own Business. Use it in a report. Sergeants love it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:19:53 PM EDT
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...b) Conduct a thorough investigation of the facts and present my findings to the prosecutor who can then read the many thousands of pages of case law and file the case at his leisure... 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:20:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Standing On Corner Minding Own Business. Use it in a report. Sergeants love it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Will they stick to that claim if one of theirs is gunned down getting out of a car? What would the circumstances be? "I was SOCMOB when he pulled up, looked directly at me, and began to exit his car, drawing his pistol as he did so. While he did not present an instantaneous threat of DF and was not a shootable fleeing felon under Garner, I drew my own gun, pointed it at his head, put my finger on the trigger and the gun somehow went off." What is "SOCMOB"? Standing On Corner Minding Own Business. Use it in a report. Sergeants love it. I bet they do... LOL |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:28:40 PM EDT
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I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just responding to your comment: Quoted: I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit. It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it occurred just chalked it up as an accident. Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just responding to your comment: Quoted: I don't recall anyone ever saying police and prosecutors are not complicit. It's Christmas though so in the spirit of the season feel free to show us an incident where a private citizen's first move after observing a wreck was to draw a weapon on someone crawling out of the wreck and shoot them and the prosecutor of the jurisdiction in which it occurred just chalked it up as an accident. Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. I can 't tell you who to like or not like. I don't think that my opinion will matter much anyway. I am pretty sure that no one posting in the thread defends the cop or even likes him. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:39:31 PM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:40:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. ETA: Another reason why first impressions on UoF are usually wrong. If you would have read the article you would have known that the suspect lived and wasn't killed. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:53:05 PM EDT
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So not only did they try to execute the driver but they rendered zero aid to the passenger as she lay there bleeding out. Welp, there goes the argument that this was done out of rage at a drunk that just killed a presumably innocent passenger. Also going to be a hell of a defense if the driver goes to trial for vehicular manslaughter. They tried to kill one person and stood back while another died. Real classy. That is some straight up 3rd world type shit right there. Other than maintain her airway, which they apparently did, what aid would you want a first responder to do to a victim of major mechanical trauma? There isn't much you can do for someone in the middle of the road when they are "bleeding out" internally. When did the shooter assist the injured woman? Watch the video |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 6:54:40 PM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. It was a lot of things, but it 100% was not murder |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:13:23 PM EDT
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Accidental my ass. That was textbook. Guy needs to burn.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 7:57:23 PM EDT
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Not going to trust your judgement! Ha! ETA: Another reason why first impressions on UoF are usually wrong. If you would have read the article you would have known that the suspect lived and wasn't killed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. ETA: Another reason why first impressions on UoF are usually wrong. If you would have read the article you would have known that the suspect lived and wasn't killed. Fine it was attempted murder. And anyone not a cop who saw it knows it too. Txl |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fine it was attempted murder. And anyone not a cop who saw it knows it too. Txl Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. ETA: Another reason why first impressions on UoF are usually wrong. If you would have read the article you would have known that the suspect lived and wasn't killed. Fine it was attempted murder. And anyone not a cop who saw it knows it too. Txl What's your point? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:19:04 PM EDT
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Looks like 2 shots to me.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 8:54:48 PM EDT
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No, I m not going to search the internet because I don't want to. I have no idea if there are any incidents out there as you have described. I can 't tell you who to like or not like. I don't think that my opinion will matter much anyway. I am pretty sure that no one posting in the thread defends the cop or even likes him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Considering you have yet to produce an incident where a private citizen shot someone for the act of crawling out of a wrecked vehicle the fact is you are not responding to my comment at all. I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. I can 't tell you who to like or not like. I don't think that my opinion will matter much anyway. I am pretty sure that no one posting in the thread defends the cop or even likes him. Nah just did a search and no such luck. Only a police officer has shot someone exiting an over turned vehicle. Don't sell yourself short officer!! Instead of browbeating me for holding a negative opinion of the shooter and his komeraden(and their colleagues making news around the country for similar incidents) why don't you tell me why I should adore and support them for these incidents? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:00:33 PM EDT
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So not only did they try to execute the driver but they rendered zero aid to the passenger as she lay there bleeding out. Welp, there goes the argument that this was done out of rage at a drunk that just killed a presumably innocent passenger. Also going to be a hell of a defense if the driver goes to trial for vehicular manslaughter. They tried to kill one person and stood back while another died. Real classy. That is some straight up 3rd world type shit right there. Other than maintain her airway, which they apparently did, what aid would you want a first responder to do to a victim of major mechanical trauma? There isn't much you can do for someone in the middle of the road when they are "bleeding out" internally. When did the shooter assist the injured woman? Watch the video So when people are picking up brass at the range, they aren't just doing it for reloading or to clean up, they are actually giving life saving first aid to someone. Fascinating, I will never look at clean up after a match in quite the same way again. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nah just did a search and no such luck. Only a police officer has shot someone exiting an over turned vehicle. Don't sell yourself short officer!! Instead of browbeating me for holding a negative opinion of the shooter and his komeraden(and their colleagues making news around the country for similar incidents) why don't you tell me why I should adore and support them for these incidents? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am not going to search the internet for an answer to your question. I was just pointing out that the circumstances are different. I realize you hate cops and have an axe to grind. You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. I can 't tell you who to like or not like. I don't think that my opinion will matter much anyway. I am pretty sure that no one posting in the thread defends the cop or even likes him. Nah just did a search and no such luck. Only a police officer has shot someone exiting an over turned vehicle. Don't sell yourself short officer!! Instead of browbeating me for holding a negative opinion of the shooter and his komeraden(and their colleagues making news around the country for similar incidents) why don't you tell me why I should adore and support them for these incidents? Well, OK then. Why should I tell you to adore them? You can believe anything you want. The bad cops - I don't care what happens to them. If you want to go after them, go. Have fun. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 9:55:09 PM EDT
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Well, OK then. Why should I tell you to adore them? You can believe anything you want. The bad cops - I don't care what happens to them. If you want to go after them, go. Have fun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You aren't going to search the internet because there likely hasn't been an incident where a private citizen took it upon themselves to shoot someone crawling out of a vehicle they just watched turn over in the first place and damn sure isn't one where the prosecutor of the locality it occurred in blew it off. Of course the circumstances are different, it was a police officer committing the act. If a police officer isn't exempted by statute then lack of enforcement typically comes in to play. Now, tell me why I should like this officer and all the officers who assisted him at the scene exactly? Since you realize I hate the cops in this incident surely you should be able to clearly state why that view is wrong. I can 't tell you who to like or not like. I don't think that my opinion will matter much anyway. I am pretty sure that no one posting in the thread defends the cop or even likes him. Nah just did a search and no such luck. Only a police officer has shot someone exiting an over turned vehicle. Don't sell yourself short officer!! Instead of browbeating me for holding a negative opinion of the shooter and his komeraden(and their colleagues making news around the country for similar incidents) why don't you tell me why I should adore and support them for these incidents? Well, OK then. Why should I tell you to adore them? You can believe anything you want. The bad cops - I don't care what happens to them. If you want to go after them, go. Have fun. And yet here you are ragging on me since I do not approve of what was done by this officer, his komeraden, and their good friend the local prosecutor. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:24:08 PM EDT
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And yet here you are ragging on me since I do not approve of what was done by this officer, his komeraden, and their good friend the local prosecutor. No, liebchen, You are ragged upon because you attach significance to using words that look almost like German. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:31:39 PM EDT
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The shooting victim was the driver. What did the officer actually witness? He saw a Toyota Four-Runner speeding out of the Canteena Bar parking lot without headlights on. The cop followed as the Toyota ran a red light and turned onto Pearson Road where the driver, 26-year-old Andrew Thomas struck the median and flipped, ejecting his 23-year-old wife Darien Ehorn from the vehicle. You are not being honest about the circumstances. FWIW, I don't support the officer, but the drunk driver isn't innocent either. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The shooting victim was either the driver or the passenger. The officer witnessed the vehicle leaving a bar and then followed the vehicle. A home owner usually has a decent idea of who is, and is not, supposed to be coming and going from their home. So, a private citizen driving down the road is viewed the same by a police officer as a person engaged in burglary of a home is to the private citizen home owner according to you. Thank you for being honest about that. No wonder shootings by officers rarely result in criminal or civil sanctions against the officer. The shooting victim was the driver. What did the officer actually witness? He saw a Toyota Four-Runner speeding out of the Canteena Bar parking lot without headlights on. The cop followed as the Toyota ran a red light and turned onto Pearson Road where the driver, 26-year-old Andrew Thomas struck the median and flipped, ejecting his 23-year-old wife Darien Ehorn from the vehicle. You are not being honest about the circumstances. FWIW, I don't support the officer, but the drunk driver isn't innocent either. Really? The officer knew who was driving, that the driver was in fact drunk, and the person climbing out of the wreck was in fact the driver when he pulled the trigger? How am I not being honest about the circumstances exactly? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:34:16 PM EDT
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No, liebchen, You are ragged upon because you attach significance to using words that look almost like German. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And yet here you are ragging on me since I do not approve of what was done by this officer, his komeraden, and their good friend the local prosecutor. No, liebchen, You are ragged upon because you attach significance to using words that look almost like German. I goofed a vowel! Kameraden! Now why would anyone take offense at US police officers associates being referred to as kameraden? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:35:38 PM EDT
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:40:15 PM EDT
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:52:30 PM EDT
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The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 10:58:31 PM EDT
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That was cold. Drew, fired, holstered and went on about his biz... Fuck 'em. Feed him to the wolves. Ain't gonna happen...they cleared him of wrong doing. next issue...!! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:02:33 PM EDT
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining What did I say that was not true? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:03:33 PM EDT
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The driver performed a homicide. He killed his wife. The driver is alive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cop performed homicide. Next case please... The driver performed a homicide. He killed his wife. The driver is alive. clap...clap...clap...clap 
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:07:09 PM EDT
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Impressions: Cop got trigger happy and shot the guy, most likely on accident. With the speed it all happened he probably went into fight mode as soon as it looked like home-skillet was trying to bolt from the scene. Pulled his gun to tell him to stop but reflex pulled the trigger. Thoughts: The man and woman in that car were flying at a high speed at night with no headlights on, the fact that they didn't plow into an innocent person is the silver lining to all of this....too bad they both weren't killed in that wreck. Now the tax payers have to pay for veggie mcveggerson for the rest of his sad life. Probably some tweakers or drunks. Thankfully you are not in charge of us...
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:11:14 PM EDT
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I have not read any justification for the officer's decision to pull the pistol and point it at the victim, based on what the officer knew at the time. The police officer didn't recognize the dude crawling out of the wreck as as a fellow officer so that should be justification enough. I miss the days when trolls were witty and entertaining Is overreaching oafishness grounds for a ban? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:11:54 PM EDT
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Quite a story bro...want a cookie? Wow, you've "come upon a couple vehicle accidents." Want a cookie? Were you the police, actively chasing those vehicles? Nope, so your comment is meaningless. You weren't there to take anybody's freedom or defend yourself from the suspects at the termination of a pursuit. You, and those like you, act as though LEOs here have to come with sharpened knives every time a cop fucks up. Not my monkey, and not my circus. The DA of his county made his decision. Don't like it, let him know. There are so many factors we don't know without getting access to the full investigation that knowing the officer's state of mind isn't possible. It could have been completely premeditated long before the pursuit. Maybe he knew the guy. Maybe he was so outraged about the female being ejected and obviously DRT, that he quickly decided to kill the driver. Maybe it's just like I speculated - maybe he was overwhelmed by the situation and couldn't function properly. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Without all of the facts, I wouldn't feel comfortable coming to any conclusions. BTW, that's what I used to do when I investigated officer-involved shootings and present the findings to the DA where I work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously too keyed up to function properly. Very disturbing not to have said anything for so long after he shot home boy. No more LE for him. Are you trolling tying to get a cop hater banned or are you really that willing to overlook the attempted murder of a human because the (failed) murderer was wearing a uniform? "Too keyed up to function." Really. I've come up on a couple vehicle accidents (not a cop) and at no point did I draw down in case a crash survivor exited the vehicle and made a move on me. Did the guy make a furtive movement that justified drawing much less shooting without any verbal exchange? Quite a story bro...want a cookie? Wow, you've "come upon a couple vehicle accidents." Want a cookie? Were you the police, actively chasing those vehicles? Nope, so your comment is meaningless. You weren't there to take anybody's freedom or defend yourself from the suspects at the termination of a pursuit. You, and those like you, act as though LEOs here have to come with sharpened knives every time a cop fucks up. Not my monkey, and not my circus. The DA of his county made his decision. Don't like it, let him know. There are so many factors we don't know without getting access to the full investigation that knowing the officer's state of mind isn't possible. It could have been completely premeditated long before the pursuit. Maybe he knew the guy. Maybe he was so outraged about the female being ejected and obviously DRT, that he quickly decided to kill the driver. Maybe it's just like I speculated - maybe he was overwhelmed by the situation and couldn't function properly. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Without all of the facts, I wouldn't feel comfortable coming to any conclusions. BTW, that's what I used to do when I investigated officer-involved shootings and present the findings to the DA where I work. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:14:04 PM EDT
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Wait the driver died? Disclaimer: Im assuming the guy who got shot was the driver.
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:18:57 PM EDT
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Wait the driver died? That's what the OP updated. Lots of high-priced real estate in the neck. Could have got infected/pneumonia/etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:20:29 PM EDT
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That's what the OP updated. Lots of high-priced real estate in the neck. Could have got infected/pneumonia/etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wait the driver died? That's what the OP updated. Lots of high-priced real estate in the neck. Could have got infected/pneumonia/etc. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Still cant believe the officer isnt charged with anything. It should atleast be negligent homicide or some type of manslaughter. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:21:11 PM EDT
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Still a good shoot!
Wonder if we will be seeing more of these in the future? Perhaps an El Presidente drill on a passenger van? |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:25:25 PM EDT
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Still a good shoot! Wonder if we will be seeing more of these in the future? Perhaps an El Presidente drill on a passenger van? Can you edit video? You should make a slow motion animated gif of the shooting. I still think it looks like 2 shots. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:25:43 PM EDT
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Does look like he was surprised the gun went off, but that type of "accident" should result in permanent lack of a job in law enforcement. These are lives we're talking about. This. The cop visibly jumped when the gun fired, indicating he was surprised by it. Though I believe it was an accident, and does not indicate intentional murder, he should still be charged with manslaughter (guy is still alive, cop should be charged for the attempted cover-up). Any non-LEO would have been charged for accidently shooting someone in the neck. But as the saying goes, some are more equal than others. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:28:47 PM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. It was a lot of things, but it 100% was not murder Is that about to change? Roy |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:31:16 PM EDT
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This. The cop visibly jumped when the gun fired, indicating he was surprised by it. Though I believe it was an accident, and does not indicate intentional murder, he should still be charged with manslaughter. Any non-LEO would have been charged for accidently shooting someone in the neck. But as the saying goes, some are more equal than others. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does look like he was surprised the gun went off, but that type of "accident" should result in permanent lack of a job in law enforcement. These are lives we're talking about. This. The cop visibly jumped when the gun fired, indicating he was surprised by it. Though I believe it was an accident, and does not indicate intentional murder, he should still be charged with manslaughter. Any non-LEO would have been charged for accidently shooting someone in the neck. But as the saying goes, some are more equal than others. He didn't jump, he simply stopped walking. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:32:04 PM EDT
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Saw the post last week, didn't watch the video till now. He drew,fired, reholstered pretty flawless. Looks like murder to me. It was a lot of things, but it 100% was not murder Is that about to change? Roy Why would it? If he was good when the guy was alive he is still good now. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:37:50 PM EDT
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Does look like he was surprised the gun went off, but that type of "accident" should result in permanent lack of a job in law enforcement. These are lives we're talking about. This. The cop visibly jumped when the gun fired, indicating he was surprised by it. Though I believe it was an accident, and does not indicate intentional murder, he should still be charged with manslaughter. Any non-LEO would have been charged for accidently shooting someone in the neck. But as the saying goes, some are more equal than others. He didn't jump, he simply stopped walking. watch his shoulders, he is clearly startled by the discharge, indicating it was not intentional. I still think he should see prison time for his negligence and attempted cover-up. As well as lose any immunity from a law suit. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:38:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:49:41 PM EDT
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Wow, you've "come upon a couple vehicle accidents." Want a cookie? Were you the police, actively chasing those vehicles? Nope, so your comment is meaningless. You weren't there to take anybody's freedom or defend yourself from the suspects at the termination of a pursuit. You, and those like you, act as though LEOs here have to come with sharpened knives every time a cop fucks up. Not my monkey, and not my circus. The DA of his county made his decision. Don't like it, let him know. There are so many factors we don't know without getting access to the full investigation that knowing the officer's state of mind isn't possible. It could have been completely premeditated long before the pursuit. Maybe he knew the guy. Maybe he was so outraged about the female being ejected and obviously DRT, that he quickly decided to kill the driver. Maybe it's just like I speculated - maybe he was overwhelmed by the situation and couldn't function properly. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Without all of the facts, I wouldn't feel comfortable coming to any conclusions. BTW, that's what I used to do when I investigated officer-involved shootings and present the findings to the DA where I work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously too keyed up to function properly. Very disturbing not to have said anything for so long after he shot home boy. No more LE for him. Are you trolling tying to get a cop hater banned or are you really that willing to overlook the attempted murder of a human because the (failed) murderer was wearing a uniform? "Too keyed up to function." Really. I've come up on a couple vehicle accidents (not a cop) and at no point did I draw down in case a crash survivor exited the vehicle and made a move on me. Did the guy make a furtive movement that justified drawing much less shooting without any verbal exchange? Wow, you've "come upon a couple vehicle accidents." Want a cookie? Were you the police, actively chasing those vehicles? Nope, so your comment is meaningless. You weren't there to take anybody's freedom or defend yourself from the suspects at the termination of a pursuit. You, and those like you, act as though LEOs here have to come with sharpened knives every time a cop fucks up. Not my monkey, and not my circus. The DA of his county made his decision. Don't like it, let him know. There are so many factors we don't know without getting access to the full investigation that knowing the officer's state of mind isn't possible. It could have been completely premeditated long before the pursuit. Maybe he knew the guy. Maybe he was so outraged about the female being ejected and obviously DRT, that he quickly decided to kill the driver. Maybe it's just like I speculated - maybe he was overwhelmed by the situation and couldn't function properly. Maybe, maybe, maybe. Without all of the facts, I wouldn't feel comfortable coming to any conclusions. BTW, that's what I used to do when I investigated officer-involved shootings and present the findings to the DA where I work. Well aren't you the special snowflake! Cop comes up to the wreck, cop draws, cop shoots man climbing out the window, dude falls back into smoldering car, cop calmly looks for brass and forgets to mention that he popped off a round or two. Anyone one of us swinging dicks do something like that and we're gonna live with bubba the rest of our lives!!!! |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:51:16 PM EDT
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Does look like he was surprised the gun went off, but that type of "accident" should result in permanent lack of a job in law enforcement. These are lives we're talking about. This. The cop visibly jumped when the gun fired, indicating he was surprised by it. Though I believe it was an accident, and does not indicate intentional murder, he should still be charged with manslaughter. Any non-LEO would have been charged for accidently shooting someone in the neck. But as the saying goes, some are more equal than others. He didn't jump, he simply stopped walking. watch his shoulders, he is clearly startled by the discharge, indicating it was not intentional. I still think he should see prison time for his negligence and attempted cover-up. As well as lose any immunity from a law suit. Didn't see any jump, but lots of people flinch. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:51:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: clap...clap...clap...clap Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cop performed homicide. Next case please... The driver performed a homicide. He killed his wife. The driver is alive. clap...clap...clap...clap Read the OP. He's dead, Jim. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:52:41 PM EDT
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I can't believe anyone would call this a justified shoot. Even if he INTENDED to shoot him, he totlly fucked it all up after the shooting.
I think he drew and accidentally(negligently) shot the gun off, and THOUGHT the rounds didn't hit the guy. Instead of telling a supervisor he fucked up, he likely thought he could cover his tracks until he realized he had actually hit the guy. The ONLY way this guy should NOT be facing charges is if he immidiately realized he fucked up and tried to render aid and notified others of his major fuck up. Even then it's a FAR stretch! And if I was in the situation and "accidentally" shot the guy and handled it the way he did, I would EXPECT to get charged with a crime. |
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Posted: 12/19/2015 11:58:20 PM EDT
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A cop in Ottawa Hills OH near Toledo did almost this exact thing and went to jail. How is it not manslaughter? Not killing someone on purpose doesn't mean it's ok.
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