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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:11:50 AM EDT
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So is this fake?
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:12:25 AM EDT
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So is this fake? Yes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:13:18 AM EDT
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So, five six pages for a false report?
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:15:36 AM EDT
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So is this fake? Looks that way. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:15:41 AM EDT
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Actually, a Russian legislator has demanded that Turkey, as part of its "apology" for downing the Russian aircraft, turn over the Hagia Sophia cathedral to the Orthodox Church (to the Patriarch of Constantinople, to be specific). Hagia Sophia, since the time of Ataturk, has been a museum. But Erdogan and the Turkish Islamists want to turn it back into a mosque. A viable compromise would be to leave it as a museum, but allow both religions to conduct services there on an occasional basis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Greek flag over Constantinople again for the first time in over 500 years? Actually, a Russian legislator has demanded that Turkey, as part of its "apology" for downing the Russian aircraft, turn over the Hagia Sophia cathedral to the Orthodox Church (to the Patriarch of Constantinople, to be specific). Hagia Sophia, since the time of Ataturk, has been a museum. But Erdogan and the Turkish Islamists want to turn it back into a mosque. A viable compromise would be to leave it as a museum, but allow both religions to conduct services there on an occasional basis. What is the Arabic word for compromise in an Islamic context? |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:17:02 AM EDT
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So is this fake? Yes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
But honestly, everyone who gave the OP and the stupid story he linked to even a hint of credence should feel ashamed. You have to be an idiot to think something like Turkey shutting down the straits would happen without little places like CNN or BBC picking up on it, and being scooped by 'station95' or whatever the fuck it is. ETA: And there is some Brit tabloid site that gets linked to way too often here...how many Arfcommers were ready for Muslim internment camps or Russia sending 150,000 troops to Syria? |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:21:01 AM EDT
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http://i.imgur.com/gTTX2Gx.gif But honestly, everyone who gave the OP and the stupid story he linked to even a hint of credence should feel ashamed. You have to be an idiot to think something like Turkey shutting down the straits would happen without little places like CNN or BBC picking up on it, and being scooped by 'station95' or whatever the fuck it is. ETA: And there is some Brit tabloid site that gets linked to way too often here...how many Arfcommers were ready for Muslim internment camps or Russia sending 150,000 troops to Syria? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is this fake? Yes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://i.imgur.com/gTTX2Gx.gif But honestly, everyone who gave the OP and the stupid story he linked to even a hint of credence should feel ashamed. You have to be an idiot to think something like Turkey shutting down the straits would happen without little places like CNN or BBC picking up on it, and being scooped by 'station95' or whatever the fuck it is. ETA: And there is some Brit tabloid site that gets linked to way too often here...how many Arfcommers were ready for Muslim internment camps or Russia sending 150,000 troops to Syria? Then you have those that believe every single bit of Russian propaganda, and everything RT reports. You know, the Russia stronk idiots. Not a personal attack. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:25:33 AM EDT
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The Entente plan to divide the Ottoman Empire would have made Constantinople a Russian city. The idea was the Tsar was going to do a wee bit of ethnic cleansing and repopulate with Cossacks.
The Revolution and Russian and Turkish Civil Wars got in the way but it's an interesting "what if?" proposition had it taken place. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:32:54 AM EDT
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So is this fake? Yes. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Hey, don't spoil it. It has been to much fun reading the reactions. 
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:39:43 AM EDT
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Turkey is ranked #10 in the world's strongest militaries on the Global firepower database. Ukraine is ranked #25 Georgia is #75 Russia #2 |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 10:59:09 AM EDT
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Then you have those that believe every single bit of Russian propaganda, and everything RT reports. You know, the Russia stronk idiots. Not a personal attack. There is quite a difference between 'completely fabricated' and 'state press apparatus'. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:00:00 AM EDT
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As the panic in this thread has shown any alleged control over the straits is not usable without creating a casus belli. In addition the missiles that didn't leave during the missile crisis are not needed anyway for any real situation involving a no shit nuclear exchange. In return they greenlight refugees, flirt with terrorists, and have done precious little to earn their keep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I seriously doubt this is true. Even if it is true I can't believe that we would let a puffed up terrorist supporter that conned their way into NATO drag us into a shooting war with the Russians. Turkey didn't "con its way into NATO". Russia has been playing fuck-fuck games with Turkey since WWI, particularly about the Straits, and ratcheted it up right after WWII. They were inducted to NATO as part of Truman's Containment policy. Get into NATO by their own strength? Like the Netherlands? How about Luxembourg? Turkey brought into NATO one of the most important strategic areas in the whole world. Through Turkey, NATO controlled the Turkish Straits, Russians access to the Med., and got to stage short and medium range ballistic missiles and bombers in the country to threaten the Soviet Union's southern flank. Well worth their membership, they brought more to the table than a good portion of tiny shitty leftist European countries. Before the last coup in Turkey failed, allowing it to slide more and more toward Islamicic ferver, Turkey was as secular a Muslim majority country could be, a neocon's wet dream. The missiles NOW aren't necessary. They were necessary back during this little event in history, you might have heard about it, The Cold War, which is why NATO was formed in the first place. Turkey was a strategic partner that brought strategic control of the Turkish Straits to the table. So you're wrong, they definitely deserved to be in NATO, because Russia and stuff. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:18:25 AM EDT
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Troll horseshit. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:25:48 AM EDT
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I raised the flag on page one. OP you should feel bad.
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:51:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sick and tired of Turkey. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 12:06:35 PM EDT
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Since WWI? Someone needs better history books. And by someone, I mean you, because Russians and Turks have been going at it since the 16th century. ETA: And OP sucks at picking news sources. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I seriously doubt this is true. Even if it is true I can't believe that we would let a puffed up terrorist supporter that conned their way into NATO drag us into a shooting war with the Russians. Turkey didn't "con its way into NATO". Russia has been playing fuck-fuck games with Turkey since WWI, particularly about the Straits, and ratcheted it up right after WWII. They were inducted to NATO as part of Truman's Containment policy. Since WWI? Someone needs better history books. And by someone, I mean you, because Russians and Turks have been going at it since the 16th century. ETA: And OP sucks at picking news sources. I was confining myself to modern, industrial age history. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 4:51:21 PM EDT
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uh, there seem to be Russian flagged shipping in the Bosphorus strait Right now. Did you know that AIS is public, and you can view it yourself pretty much in real time Right Here The only problem I see with this insinuation is that flagging of vessels is a spurious at best situation. Do you really believe that there are *THAT* many Panamanian ships plying the seas? I saw one Sierra Leone flagged ship in there a little bit ago. Now I don't disagree that OP's article is abject bullshit, but realistically, flagging ships is arbitrary. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 5:01:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only problem I see with this insinuation is that flagging of vessels is a spurious at best situation. Do you really believe that there are *THAT* many Panamanian ships plying the seas? I saw one Sierra Leone flagged ship in there a little bit ago. Now I don't disagree that OP's article is abject bullshit, but realistically, flagging ships is arbitrary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: uh, there seem to be Russian flagged shipping in the Bosphorus strait Right now. Did you know that AIS is public, and you can view it yourself pretty much in real time Right Here The only problem I see with this insinuation is that flagging of vessels is a spurious at best situation. Do you really believe that there are *THAT* many Panamanian ships plying the seas? I saw one Sierra Leone flagged ship in there a little bit ago. Now I don't disagree that OP's article is abject bullshit, but realistically, flagging ships is arbitrary. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 5:05:36 PM EDT
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The story is fake.
That being said, the Straits issue highlights the fact that Russia needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Russia. The new pipeline through Turkey. Access to the Med. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 5:08:25 PM EDT
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It's done for tax/tariffs and trade ability. Not much different than registered cars. Also, I think there is massive cost difference to Panamanian flagged vesels when transiting the ditch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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uh, there seem to be Russian flagged shipping in the Bosphorus strait Right now. Did you know that AIS is public, and you can view it yourself pretty much in real time Right Here The only problem I see with this insinuation is that flagging of vessels is a spurious at best situation. Do you really believe that there are *THAT* many Panamanian ships plying the seas? I saw one Sierra Leone flagged ship in there a little bit ago. Now I don't disagree that OP's article is abject bullshit, but realistically, flagging ships is arbitrary. Liberia is another popular "flag of convenience". |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 8:35:06 PM EDT
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Edit - I am finding zero confirmation of any of this, and I am pretty well hooked into what is going on over there. I have looked at the links to ships positions. I'm not seeing any accumulation of warships on either side. Note: I have sailed through the Dardanelles and Bosphorus on the way to the Black Sea as part of a stick it to the Soviet Union transit called "Silver Fox" way back when. As soon as we entered the Black Sea we were accompanied by two Soviet warships and a trawler. They followed us and stayed very close the whole time. IIRC we accompanied the USS Wainwright CG-28. That would have been like 1977. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:25:11 PM EDT
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The story is fake. That being said, the Straits issue highlights the fact that Russia needs Turkey more than Turkey needs Russia. The new pipeline through Turkey. Access to the Med. Fucking Muslim apologists. Some day you'll pray that The Bear will come rescue you from the Caliphate whose outrageous transgressions you so readily dismiss. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:28:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The missiles NOW aren't necessary. They were necessary back during this little event in history, you might have heard about it, The Cold War, which is why NATO was formed in the first place. Turkey was a strategic partner that brought strategic control of the Turkish Straits to the table. So you're wrong, they definitely deserved to be in NATO, because Russia and stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Get into NATO by their own strength? Like the Netherlands? How about Luxembourg? Turkey brought into NATO one of the most important strategic areas in the whole world. Through Turkey, NATO controlled the Turkish Straits, Russians access to the Med., and got to stage short and medium range ballistic missiles and bombers in the country to threaten the Soviet Union's southern flank. Well worth their membership, they brought more to the table than a good portion of tiny shitty leftist European countries. Before the last coup in Turkey failed, allowing it to slide more and more toward Islamicic ferver, Turkey was as secular a Muslim majority country could be, a neocon's wet dream. The missiles NOW aren't necessary. They were necessary back during this little event in history, you might have heard about it, The Cold War, which is why NATO was formed in the first place. Turkey was a strategic partner that brought strategic control of the Turkish Straits to the table. So you're wrong, they definitely deserved to be in NATO, because Russia and stuff. |
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Posted: 11/30/2015 11:31:30 PM EDT
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Talk about poking a bear! The Russian Bear could squash Turkey in one blow, so they are being awfully foolish to play with fire like this. You may have been exposed to a bit too much Russian propaganda. Turkey has a REAL military. Russia would have a real challenge there, assuming they could find a way to pay for it first. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/1/2015 12:27:57 AM EDT
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so.. no DefCon 0?
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