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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:40:09 AM EDT
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I used to like his videos but every other sentence is an analogy. Interesting about the full carbines His videos are like a delicious meat burrito, only not, because reasons 
I like the dude, but don't like his reviews. Too many analogies, and they seem pretentious to me. I like his political videos way more. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:42:45 AM EDT
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I do as well...............I think I might get that version when it's available Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Definitely like the "SD" look. 
Wonder why the had silencerco do the faux suppressor. 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:43:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do as well...............I think I might get that version when it's available Quote HistoryQuoted: I do as well...............I think I might get that version when it's available Quoted: Definitely like the "SD" look. Wonder why the had silencerco do the faux suppressor. I'd love a one stamp PCC...Because reasons. Hell that would make a pretty good HD gun for my tiny ass GF...Wait...Yeah...It's for her...That's what I'll go with |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:43:25 AM EDT
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That dude sucks. I'm curious to hear your reasoning as well. Racism, everywhere racism! 
The giant 9mm carbine. No thanks |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:47:25 AM EDT
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun.
I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 10:49:29 AM EDT
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I wasn't expecting the price to be so high. Maybe I've been spoiled with my $500 Walmart Colt 6920's, but I thought the carbines would be $500-$600, not $1000-$1100. 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:04:59 AM EDT
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Why am I thinking this would be really cool gun in .30 carbine? I'm thinking the same thing. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:22:39 AM EDT
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:49:54 AM EDT
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Nobody is asking the BIG question here: How/where are these things made?
I don't think they can be imported in their current configuration. Are they being imported in some kind of "80%" state and finished in KCK? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:59:24 AM EDT
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You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 12:02:47 PM EDT
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What can this do that the Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine can't ?
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Posted: 11/27/2015 12:09:30 PM EDT
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What can this do that the Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine can't ? Fold the stock. Cut the barrel to shorter lengths What does your car do that mine doesn't? Why don't you drive the same car as me? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 12:57:43 PM EDT
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Colionnoir lurks here
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Posted: 11/27/2015 1:55:06 PM EDT
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All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 2:34:31 PM EDT
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Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. Some of us like shooting suppressed SBR's that are actually insanely quiet. I've got my suppressed 5.56 SBR, I want a suppressed 9mm SBR. For the sheer bliss of shooting 147gr subs out of it. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 4:31:38 PM EDT
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Fold the stock. Cut the barrel to shorter lengths What does your car do that mine doesn't? Why don't you drive the same car as me? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What can this do that the Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine can't ? Fold the stock. Cut the barrel to shorter lengths What does your car do that mine doesn't? Why don't you drive the same car as me? its GD..the last of "You cant Like what i DONT LIke!!!!!!!!" |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 5:04:35 PM EDT
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Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. I don't disagree that you don't gain much even with a little extra barrel, which is why I said the above in bold. As for whole lot better? Yes, a 10 inch 5.56 is obviously superior to a pistol or a pistol caliber carbine. No dispute there either. But same size? No, not at all. Since I'm a visual guy, here's a picture for you: 
That is a 7.5 inch 5.56 AR pistol, next to a reverse stretch MP5, a Glock 19, and a P-01 (since this is theoretically a CZ thread). The 7.5" AR is ~23" long, a 10" AR is going to be ~26" long. Meanwhile, the MP5 clone is 13" long as a pistol, and I'm getting the folding sig brace set up for it, so it will still be that long in a folded configuration. That's literally half the size of a 10" barreled AR, not the same size at all. That MP5 is much easier to stuff into a backpack or a day bag in a ready to rock configuration than even my AR pistol is. Are folding stock PCCs superior to SBR AR-15s? Nope, not if we're talking ballistics...or how easy they are to customize, or in much of any category. ARs are pretty much always the best option for anything above a pistol. The only place where they are superior to ARs is in how easy they are to conceal/transport, which may play a factor for many who may want something slightly better than just their CCW pistol as a defensive option but can't get away with toting something rifle sized in and out of the office, hotel room, car, whatever. If you're willing to break down the AR, they don't even win there. But the ability to pull something out of a bag ready to use right now is something worth considering, IMO. While I was measuring stuff, the Glock as a sight radius of ~6", and the MP5 has one of 10". Add a stock and you have something that may be similar when it comes to ballistics to your CCW, but is much easier to shoot accurately and has a higher capacity. TL;DR: Yeah, ARs are better. But a SBR sized PCC is far from useless, and does have at least one advantage for those of us interested in discretion and packing (slightly) heavy. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 5:54:07 PM EDT
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I'd love a one stamp PCC...Because reasons. Hell that would make a pretty good HD gun for my tiny ass GF...Wait...Yeah...It's for her...That's what I'll go with
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Definitely like the "SD" look.
Wonder why the had silencerco do the faux suppressor.
I'd love a one stamp PCC...Because reasons. Hell that would make a pretty good HD gun for my tiny ass GF...Wait...Yeah...It's for her...That's what I'll go with
We have rules, buddy. Pics of GF's tiny ass, or GTFO. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:33:48 PM EDT
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Checked CZ's website, can't find the non SBR version anywhere on there. I was curious if they made a carbine version with regular picatinny fore-end instead of M-Lock (sp?). Mounting something like a laser would be tough at the 12 o'clock given how low the sights are, and they only way to mount it M-Lock would be a pic adapter. And I don't know if that would hold zero worth a damn.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:34:58 PM EDT
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Did ARFCOM just crash the CZ website because it was working, now its not. Yeah, I think so.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:35:23 PM EDT
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Checked CZ's website, can't find the non SBR version anywhere on there. I was curious if they made a carbine version with regular picatinny fore-end instead of M-Lock (sp?). Mounting something like a laser would be tough at the 12 o'clock given how low the sights are, and they only way to mount it M-Lock would be a pic adapter. And I don't know if that would hold zero worth a damn. CZ-USA has shared Colion's video on their Facebook page, but they haven't added it to their product page. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:47:17 PM EDT
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What can this do that the Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine can't ? It doesn't look like some goofy sci fi gun? |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:47:37 PM EDT
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Suddenly we have a problem with CN? Why?  Because people are more likely to leave negative feedback than positive feedback. I can understand why some might not like his videos, but as for me I hope he keeps producing more. Oh did I mention I really want a SBR Evo!!!!!!!!!!??????? 
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:49:15 PM EDT
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I need to buy a CZ, only problem is do I get one of their 22s or one of the 9mm pistols, so many choices They have .22 pistols, you could just combine the best of both worlds.  (Kadet/Kadet 2)
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Posted: 11/27/2015 6:49:20 PM EDT
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For 16in 9mm carbine is it beneficial to use +p, +p+, or even lightweight ammo like 50gr civil defense to get maximum velocity out of the longer barrel? Or just stick with standard 9mm loads?
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Posted: 11/27/2015 7:57:03 PM EDT
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I wasn't expecting the price to be so high. Maybe I've been spoiled with my $500 Walmart Colt 6920's, but I thought the carbines would be $500-$600, not $1000-$1100. Point me to where you can buy 6920's for $500. We get it, you got a steal of a deal during clearance. Most didn't even get that big of a discount. Even a blem PSA kit runs around $600+ all said and done. AR's are cheap because the design is ancient and everyone makes them which drives the price down. All things considered, $1000 for a new design is very cheap. Take the MCX, SG-556, SCAR or other new guns and the CZ looks cheap. Even WASRs go for $600+ now. But I'd love a $500 6920. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 8:12:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:16:44 PM EDT
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Point me to where you can buy 6920's for $500. We get it, you got a steal of a deal during clearance. Most didn't even get that big of a discount. Even a blem PSA kit runs around $600+ all said and done. AR's are cheap because the design is ancient and everyone makes them which drives the price down. All things considered, $1000 for a new design is very cheap. Take the MCX, SG-556, SCAR or other new guns and the CZ looks cheap. Even WASRs go for $600+ now. But I'd love a $500 6920. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wasn't expecting the price to be so high. Maybe I've been spoiled with my $500 Walmart Colt 6920's, but I thought the carbines would be $500-$600, not $1000-$1100. Point me to where you can buy 6920's for $500. We get it, you got a steal of a deal during clearance. Most didn't even get that big of a discount. Even a blem PSA kit runs around $600+ all said and done. AR's are cheap because the design is ancient and everyone makes them which drives the price down. All things considered, $1000 for a new design is very cheap. Take the MCX, SG-556, SCAR or other new guns and the CZ looks cheap. Even WASRs go for $600+ now. But I'd love a $500 6920. Now now, don't get your knickers in a twist. I'm just saying AR's are wicked cheap right now and have a lot more machine operations/parts than a plastic-y blowback pistol carbine. I don't see where the price is coming from on these carbines. That's all. Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:33:12 PM EDT
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I feel like he's a good advocate for the everyday gun owner, isn't dressed up like a tacticool buffoon for gun review videos. Isn't annoying like nuttin. Most videos are short and to the point.
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:34:08 PM EDT
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I feel like he's a good advocate for the everyday gun owner, isn't dressed up like a tacticool buffoon for gun review videos. Isn't annoying like nuttin. Most videos are short and to the point. |
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Posted: 11/27/2015 9:39:23 PM EDT
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Soo glad I didn't buy the pistol now
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Posted: 11/27/2015 11:59:53 PM EDT
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I'm sorry, nothing personal, but I can't stand this guy's videos. Same. His videos come off like a Lexus commercial. That actually makes sense. He is hip, a lawyer, very fit, black, very atune to current trends in culture, and more than eloquent. He certainly does not fit the mold of most gun guys on YouTube. In spite of all that, , he does a great job and got into this of his own choice. After he became a YouTube star, then the NRA became interested in him.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:22:33 AM EDT
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That actually makes sense. He is hip, a lawyer, very fit, black, very atune to current trends in culture, and more than eloquent. He certainly does not fit the mold of most gun guys on YouTube. In spite of all that, , he does a great job and got into this of his own choice. After he became a YouTube star, then the NRA became interested in him.
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I'm sorry, nothing personal, but I can't stand this guy's videos. Same. His videos come off like a Lexus commercial. That actually makes sense. He is hip, a lawyer, very fit, black, very atune to current trends in culture, and more than eloquent. He certainly does not fit the mold of most gun guys on YouTube. In spite of all that, , he does a great job and got into this of his own choice. After he became a YouTube star, then the NRA became interested in him.
Yep. He needs the voice of nutnfancy to appease these guys. That's the funniest thing about that turd and the feedback I read here. All anyone complains about is how drawn-out he is. By far the worst part about him is his fucking voice. If his video's were 1 second long, it would still be too long for me to stand. That middle aged surfer-virgin mixed voice is apparently the sound of angel trumpets to guys here. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:47:36 AM EDT
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. To be accurate, if SBRed, it is like a more elegant version of the Glock G17 with the carbine kit, a folding stock, and a suppressor, with subjectively better ergonomics than the carbine kit. Ballistic are one thing. Recovery, speed of (accurate) fire, and accuracy are the difference. I have a 7" 9mm AR pistol with a brace, quad rail, light/laser with remote switch, backup sights, Trijicon Reflex ACOG, 3lug with SilencerCo Octane 45 with 9mm endcap, 3.5 # short trigger, and set up for a 3 point sling. I get incredible accuracy, and most people think the thing is full auto when I really get on it. It is an absolute beast. For home defense, it is a tough call. I have a 8.5" 300 BlackOut set up similar to my 9. The 9 does have better ammo for HD/SD. But, the 300 BO is more flexible. Of course, I have 5.56 carbine too, with a 5.56 specific can. I have at least a half dozen Glocks... all in 40, since they can run 9mm too. I use a handgun if I have to. (I have dozens, from 380 to 44 and 45.) I use an AR of some type whenever possible. In short, in the house, to me, a suppressed 9mm SBR or braced gun is far superior to a traditional handgun. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:52:52 AM EDT
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I wasn't expecting the price to be so high. Maybe I've been spoiled with my $500 Walmart Colt 6920's, but I thought the carbines would be $500-$600, not $1000-$1100. Don't price it on the cost of a completely different old gun. My Ruger 10/22 is much less expensive than my Colt ARs too. What does a CZ Scorpion EVO 9mm pistol cost? Add $100-$200 for the stock, forearm, and longer barrel/fake can. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 1:12:28 AM EDT
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That thing just looks huge and bulky for a 9mm carbine.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 1:14:25 AM EDT
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It's cool, but I don't see the advantage over a braced/SBRd pistol version.
The carbine is rifle sized, losing all the benefits of the easily-concealed pistol/SBR. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 1:20:44 AM EDT
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Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. What do I need to do to get my 5.56 AR's set up for subsonic and be reliable? What is some good self defense ammo in subsonic 5.56 ? I know my suppressed 9mm AR works well with 147 Federal HST ammo. My suppressed 8.5" 300 BO is nice as it can go either sub or super sonic. BUT, I know there is more good 9mm subsonic self defense ammo out there. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:13:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:17:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:22:32 AM EDT
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Good for them, they'll sell a boatload. One was just sold, I know that for sure +1 I think I want one It's crazy what happens when you listen to consumers. This could have been HK years ago if they sold their mostly polymer UMP for a reasonable price. Should have set up production in the US and made money instead of doing the over priced USC thing. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 3:31:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd love a one stamp PCC...Because reasons. Hell that would make a pretty good HD gun for my tiny ass GF...Wait...Yeah...It's for her...That's what I'll go with Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I do as well...............I think I might get that version when it's available Quoted: Definitely like the "SD" look. Wonder why the had silencerco do the faux suppressor. I'd love a one stamp PCC...Because reasons. Hell that would make a pretty good HD gun for my tiny ass GF...Wait...Yeah...It's for her...That's what I'll go with First thing that I thought was, "Damn, my wife would actually shoot that rifle" so I will be using that excuse right there with you. I hope that they clean up the pistol hand guard and bring it more in line with the carbine versions. I really like Colion Noir's videos, they are speaking to a different demographic and to be honest I find a lot of the technical videos that last for 20-30 minutes showing 20 individually filmed shots with a chronograph etc. to be incredibly boring. I want video reviews to be punchy and give me an impression of the gun, I want to see it being shot from different angles so that I can get a sense of how the gun looks and acts in meatspace. When I want technical minutiae I can read about it. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 4:53:17 AM EDT
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I like the dude, but don't like his reviews. Too many analogies, and they seem pretentious to me. I like his political videos way more. Same here. He's a good dude overall. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:26:38 AM EDT
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These are very cool - look like a fun range gun. I just can't get over the fact that once you SBR this it's no different ballistically then my glock 19. You'd be cutting the barrel pretty damn short to be no different than your G19.
Though I do have a reverse stretch MP5 clone that is G19 short, and it has still has two huge advantages over my G19 or any other pistol I'd be carrying. 1) I can mount a stock or a sig brace 2) 30 round magazines. The CZ has the same advantages. I don't know about you, but as much as I love pistols and spend the majority of my time shooting them, I still am more accurate with a stock and a longer sight radius. A SBR or sig braced PCC gives you that. PCCs are interesting to me, because like he said in the video they really aren't as good as an AR, so why bother? The only reason I bother is I can fit my MP5 clone into places no AR will ever fit, and it gives me a little extra capability in a concealed package. On a side note, I'd love to run through a USPSA-ish style stage with both my carry pistol and my MP5 some day on a timer, just to see what the differences are in accuracy/speed. I think the increased accuracy/capacity make a case for potential usefulness with that kind of gun, even in neutered semi. All of what he said. Good defensive 9mm is going to perform well from a longer barrel. I caught a video a while back where a guy shot some manner of nice HP rounds through a 16" Beretta CX4 Storm at just over 400 yards... and the bullet still expanded pretty well. Not great, but well. So within 100-200 yards, that thing would still hurt like a pistol up close. A G19 is what, 4.25" barrel? Cut this carbine to 9" and you've still got 5.75" more barrel to get more velocity. Decent 9mm ammo is cheaper than decent 5.56, so you can shoot more. Out of the 7 pistols I have, only two are NOT 9x19, so that makes common ammo. I have a 9mm can I can use on pistol or carbine... It would just be a very versatile gun. Pistol cartridges are still pistol cartridges, and the extra barrel length doesn't change that. You don't get a whole lot more velocity anyways even if you double the length from 4 to 8 inches: http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gifs/9corbon115jhp.gif For the same size a 556 10 inch SBR would do a whole lot better. What do I need to do to get my 5.56 AR's set up for subsonic and be reliable? What is some good self defense ammo in subsonic 5.56 ? I know my suppressed 9mm AR works well with 147 Federal HST ammo. My suppressed 8.5" 300 BO is nice as it can go either sub or super sonic. BUT, I know there is more good 9mm subsonic self defense ammo out there. STOP using facts. He's trying to EDUCATE us rubes, because he knows better than we do. Apparently. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 12:55:03 PM EDT
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Any more info out on these or is it a wait and see? Tried googling but nothing came up regarding release.
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Posted: 11/28/2015 4:13:17 PM EDT
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Any more info out on these or is it a wait and see? Tried googling but nothing came up regarding release. Yeah I'd like more info, seems like Colion is the only one with any info.like that video was an announcement |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:20:31 PM EDT
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Any more info out on these or is it a wait and see? Tried googling but nothing came up regarding release. Yeah I'd like more info, seems like Colion is the only one with any info.like that video was an announcement Which is interesting because he said he hated the safety and wouldn't be buying one lol. I don't think he's paid by CZ, but maybe they gave him early access and he had a review that was mostly positive... |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:36:29 PM EDT
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Any more info out on these or is it a wait and see? Tried googling but nothing came up regarding release. Yeah I'd like more info, seems like Colion is the only one with any info.like that video was an announcement Which is interesting because he said he hated the safety and wouldn't be buying one lol. I don't think he's paid by CZ, but maybe they gave him early access and he had a review that was mostly positive... He said he wouldn't be buying a carbine only because he already has the pistol, hardly a negative review at all IMO. |
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Posted: 11/28/2015 6:38:35 PM EDT
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Can that stock be put on the 805 Bren or is it just for the Scorpion?
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Posted: 11/29/2015 12:43:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do I need to do to get my 5.56 AR's set up for subsonic and be reliable? What is some good self defense ammo in subsonic 5.56 ? I know my suppressed 9mm AR works well with 147 Federal HST ammo. My suppressed 8.5" 300 BO is nice as it can go either sub or super sonic. BUT, I know there is more good 9mm subsonic self defense ammo out there. Can't tell if serious. How many threads can you recall that were based on subsonic 5.56? You're sending a small .22 projective out of a relatively huge shell casing. Everything about 5.56 is against it going subsonic (effectively) . |
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