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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:27:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:29:06 PM EDT
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Russia is doing what it can to avoid WW III. Turkey keeps poking Medved in the eye, presumably with 0's approving nod.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:31:08 PM EDT
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Erdogan just doubled down on stupid today. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/26/middleeast/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-shot-down/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When/where have the s-400s been effectively deployed? Do they have any confirmed kills? Who wants to be the first? Depending on what turkey does next we might see what it can do. They were all piss and vinegar 24 hours ago. Erdogan just doubled down on stupid today. (CNN)Turkey will not apologize for downing a Russian fighter jet it says violated Turkish airspace near the Syrian border, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in an exclusive CNN interview Thursday in Ankara, the Turkish capital.
"I think if there is a party that needs to apologize, it is not us," he said. "Those who violated our airspace are the ones who need to apologize. Our pilots and our armed forces, they simply fulfilled their duties, which consisted of responding to ... violations of the rules of engagement. I think this is the essence." http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/26/middleeast/syria-turkey-russia-warplane-shot-down/ Having known quite a few personally, I believe that Turks are all about bombast, but with balls of aluminum foil when push comes to shove. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:33:18 PM EDT
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Russia is doing what it can to avoid WW III. Turkey keeps poking Medved in the eye, presumably with 0's approving nod. Russia is gearing up to refight the Crimean War, without Britain and an emasculated CiC in the US |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:34:20 PM EDT
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lol. I've been rooting for Russian since this whole shit show started. I don't see that changing anytime in the near future. Plus, I like their dictator more than our dictator. Their dictator is working to make his country stronger. Our dictator is a Marxist atheist who, though no believer in "allah," is a fanatical adherent of islam as a political force. The most dangerous enemy to me and my kind is in the White House, not the Kremlin. If, 30 years ago, you had told me I would say something like that I would have laughed in your face. Times change...with startling rapidity. Heh. Better dead than red conservative go full circle.... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:34:34 PM EDT
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen.
Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:36:54 PM EDT
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Civilian aircraft are at risk, the Russians like hitting them too. About as much as Merica loves hospitals and wedding parties. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:37:44 PM EDT
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Both Aircrew from the Russian bomber escaped - but the Co-pilot was killed while still aloft in his parachute by Rebel ground fire...that would have sucked after having escaped a burning bomber. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:38:13 PM EDT
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lol. I've been rooting for Russia since this whole shit show started. I don't see that changing anytime in the near future... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:40:54 PM EDT
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lol. I've been rooting for Russian since this whole shit show started. I don't see that changing anytime in the near future. Plus, I like their dictator more than our dictator. Their dictator is working to make his country stronger. Our dictator is a Marxist atheist who, though no believer in "allah," is a fanatical adherent of islam as a political force. The most dangerous enemy to me and my kind is in the White House, not the Kremlin. If, 30 years ago, you had told me I would say something like that I would have laughed in your face. Times change...with startling rapidity. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:43:13 PM EDT
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Erdogan: We’ll continue shooting down violating planesTurkey will open fire on foreign planes violating Turkish airspace in the future, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan warned amid a diplomatic crisis caused by the downing of a Russian warplane by the Turkish Air Force. "If another violation of our aerial border happens, we can respond in the same way,” he said. "The plane was shot down within the rules of engagement announced earlier.” "We still haven't heard any apologies from the leadership of Turkey, nor have we heard any proposal to compensate damages or to hold those responsible for this heinous crimes to account," said Vladimir Putin during an official address in Moscow. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:43:42 PM EDT
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:49:17 PM EDT
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A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. and at that point the med turns into a shooting gallery. if the gutless wonder in the white house had any sense he would be telling turkey to chill. Assuming the west actually wants to hit ISIS then our interests and russias align in that respect. the only point of contention is we want Assad out and in the grand scheme of things that's retarded considering the other problems going on over there. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:49:55 PM EDT
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A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Problem? ISIS/Muzzies are the fuckin problem, not the Russians. Why would you want us to help ISIS (more than we already are)? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:50:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem.  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:51:52 PM EDT
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:53:43 PM EDT
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- Russian - "highly advanced" Pick one. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It was an SU-24. Capable enough for the role it was in. 
Pretty good writeup on what happened HERE 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:54:39 PM EDT
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Aren't you concerned about getting pulled into a war with Russia? Turkey is a NATO ally. If we don't join in, it would show that NATO is a toothless wonder, and possibly embolden Putin. Say goodbye to cheap oil... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper  I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Aren't you concerned about getting pulled into a war with Russia? Turkey is a NATO ally. If we don't join in, it would show that NATO is a toothless wonder, and possibly embolden Putin. Say goodbye to cheap oil... Fuck turkey, If the oil prices go up, fracking will increase here. More nice paying jobs for Americans |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:55:02 PM EDT
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Whats the the range on the p-800's? 600 Kms? I bet a bunch of those flying around the med would be a bitching good time for every one out there. How about we just tell turkey to put its dick away and get back to the business of dropping HE on snackbars,. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:56:33 PM EDT
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Whats the the range on the p-800's? 600 Kms? I bet a bunch of those flying around the med would be a bitching good time for every one out there. How about we just tell turkey to put its dick away and get back to the business of dropping HE on snackbars,. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Whats the the range on the p-800's? 600 Kms? I bet a bunch of those flying around the med would be a bitching good time for every one out there. How about we just tell turkey to put its dick away and get back to the business of dropping HE on snackbars,. Are you forgetting that Erdogan is a snackbar? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 12:57:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:00:26 PM EDT
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And all out war with Russia. Suicidal for both countries. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Meh, Russia couldn't project anything of significance into Turkey and vice versa. An airstrike here, some arms given to militants, there, maybe an embargo. It might get cold for Turkey this winter if Russia shuts off the gas, but Russia is cash strapped. It hurt Russia just as much. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:00:41 PM EDT
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From what has been said here, any nation that doesn't have a capable air force puts its very best people into air defense, and buys the best IADS they can. I'm genuinely curious as to what type of target that missile can intercept at 250 miles. Is 250 combined range of the missile and a closing target? What altitude can it make interception? What type of energy does it retain? Even if it flies Mach 5, that is four minutes of flight, and an aircraft can do some funny things in four minutes provided it has early warning. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dailymail Article better info http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/25/19/2ECD4ED500000578-3333777-image-a-16_1448481572696.jpg The highly advanced S-400 anti-aircraft system Russia has deployed to Latakia offers a massive 250mile wide strike range - allowing it to target a vast swathe of the Middle East (illustrated) http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/11/25/19/2ECEBD4400000578-3333777-image-a-1_1448481386052.jpg Tensions: Russia's S-400 anti-aircraft systems (pictured) are highly advanced and capable of striking jets travelling up to 250miles away Doesn't Russia put their best people into air defense? That's what's always been posted here. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile can. I'm genuinely curious as to what type of target that missile can intercept at 250 miles. Is 250 combined range of the missile and a closing target? What altitude can it make interception? What type of energy does it retain? Even if it flies Mach 5, that is four minutes of flight, and an aircraft can do some funny things in four minutes provided it has early warning. Thanks! 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:01:04 PM EDT
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I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:03:59 PM EDT
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Are you forgetting that Erdogan is a snackbar? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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here's my thought on what will eventually happen. Since Russia is actually the only country that has permission from the Syrian gov't to fly over Syrian airspace, they will declare that ALL nations (except Russia) are no longer allowed to fly over Syrian airspace and will threaten to shoot down any plane that violates it. Just where I'm thinking this is heading. A strike on the SAM sights ought to fix that problem. Whats the the range on the p-800's? 600 Kms? I bet a bunch of those flying around the med would be a bitching good time for every one out there. How about we just tell turkey to put its dick away and get back to the business of dropping HE on snackbars,. Are you forgetting that Erdogan is a snackbar? Im not suggesting an all out war on Muslims. . Just the jihadis. If Erdogan wishes to get in the ring and back his buddies in ISIS well then so be it. I think its pretty clear where that guys loyalties are. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:04:05 PM EDT
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How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let's take a ride back on the reality train...Russia isn't going to be firing on any US aircraft. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:04:05 PM EDT
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I wonder if airlines will skirt that area before a civilian airliner is shot down.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:05:21 PM EDT
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How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile According to a lot of GD violating airspace is good enough to get shot down over so why dont you go ask them. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:05:28 PM EDT
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Why do I hope that Russia curb stomps Turkey? Because Erdogan is a Muslim Brotherhood/ ISIS enabler? That Obama is doing backdoor shit to keep ISIS safe using Erdogan as a proxy? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:05:56 PM EDT
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I wonder if airlines will skirt that area before a civilian airliner is shot down. wouldn't you? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:10:40 PM EDT
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There will be no escalation. There will be chest thumping, and countries taking pot shots at each other, but nothing more.
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:14:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:15:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Let's take a ride back on the reality train...Russia isn't going to be firing on any US aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let's take a ride back on the reality train...Russia isn't going to be firing on any US aircraft. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:17:47 PM EDT
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This is an interesting slant on the stated path of the Russian plane. The blue version is the path that Turkey claims was taken. It looks like an X-A-Sketch map
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:24:47 PM EDT
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Im not suggesting an all out war on Muslims. . Just the jihadis. If Erdogan wishes to get in the ring and back his buddies in ISIS well then so be it. I think its pretty clear where that guys loyalties are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you forgetting that Erdogan is a snackbar? Im not suggesting an all out war on Muslims. . Just the jihadis. If Erdogan wishes to get in the ring and back his buddies in ISIS well then so be it. I think its pretty clear where that guys loyalties are. As weak as NATO is, Turkey should be bumped out. Do we even still have any Airbases there? Incirlik still open? |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:26:32 PM EDT
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How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile None, it is time we left them to it. We are not doing a whole lot anyway under Obama's policy. We could have absolutely devastated ISIS from the air by now if we wanted to. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:28:06 PM EDT
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Looks like they can reach Tel Megiddo from there. Well, Ezekiel looks to be pretty much spot on by some accounts. I truly feel we will get to see Bible prophecy fulfilled from Ezekiel 38 & 39....even Putin is called by name in 38:5. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:32:06 PM EDT
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This is an interesting slant on the stated path of the Russian plane. The blue version is the path that Turkey claims was taken. It looks like an X-A-Sketch map http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6976422-3x2-700x467.jpg wonder what was the flight path of the Turkish planes. It is such a narrow piece of land that the Russians supposedly crossed. How can the Turkish planes possibly maneuver and chase and shoot down the russian planes without going over the border to syria itself? If the Turkish planes had an intercept course and heading at the Russian planes, they had to have crossed over to syria themselves. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:34:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper  |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is doing what it can to avoid WW III. Turkey keeps poking Medved in the eye, presumably with 0's approving nod.  Not sure if serious... |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:39:27 PM EDT
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Looks like they can reach Tel Megiddo from there. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:39:55 PM EDT
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Russia shot down American aircraft during the cold war, with Putin running things who knows what they will do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I hope so, it's not like they don't continually violate Syrian and Iraqi airspace. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander. How many American fighters would you like to see shot down for violating Syria's air space? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Let's take a ride back on the reality train...Russia isn't going to be firing on any US aircraft. Apples and Oranges. Russia has no meaningful way to project force. Blockading a few ports come spring and Russia's already depressed economy crumbles. Hell, keep oil prices where they are at for another year and Russia crumbles. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:40:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:43:00 PM EDT
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers.
He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:45:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:46:37 PM EDT
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I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:47:40 PM EDT
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Looks like they got a Pantsir S1 air defense missile gun system in place (1:30).
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:47:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a legal sense the Turkish F-16 have no more right to enter Syrian airspace than the Russian plane did entering Turk airspace, so if the Russians down a couple of Turk F-16's over Syrian airspace is it a good shoot? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a feeling a few Turkish F-16's are about to get a SAM in their pooper I have a feeling a few Russian SAMs are about to get some Turkish F-16 missiles in their pooper All sides can do whatever they want in Syria. That's the problem... No single entity controls the air or ground. Think of it like the thunderdome and it will be easier for you...
If Russia shoots down Turk F-16s over Syria, then so be it. If Turkey blows up Russian SAMs in Syria, then so be it. It's just how it works in the arena. Small games right now, but if Russia keeps playing around and bowing up it will get fucking smacked. The big boys are in the arena now. |
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:48:16 PM EDT
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And might I add, fuck Putin, and fuck Putin lovers. He thought he was the big bad kid on the block and got bitch slapped. Oh to the motherfucking well. Russia isn't shit outside of it's nuclear forces. Any real military would smack them around the block and back again - if you think otherwise you're a fool. I agree, Putin lovers suck. The only thing worse is Erdogan lovers. 
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Posted: 11/26/2015 1:48:24 PM EDT
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wonder what was the flight path of the Turkish planes. It is such a narrow piece of land that the Russians supposedly crossed. How can the Turkish planes possibly maneuver and chase and shoot down the russian planes without going over the border to syria itself? If the Turkish planes had an intercept course and heading at the Russian planes, they had to have crossed over to syria themselves. This is the question the TV experts aren't answering. I'm sure our military has better radar tracking of what actually happened that won't ever be released. The Turks have always been turds and we have put up with the shenanigans they pull for years just to keep access to Incirlik AB it has only gotten worse since the MB took over Turkish Govt. |
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