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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:43:36 AM EDT
Help me out here guys. This person is generally a raging liberal and I'm at a loss. I had a couple responses in until she started to become triggered so I backed out. Mostly because I don't feel like starting shit with a 20 y/o libtard.
She think that companies should be paying $15 minimum to their employees, essentially she wants minimum wage to be increased to $15/hr. I'd love to really get a good response in. I'm counting on you guys. 
This was something else she posted as support for her argument. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:44:37 AM EDT
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"Whip your dick out and start helicoptering it.
Bitches love that." - XCR |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:44:44 AM EDT
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why stop at $15, make it $100, or even $1,000
minimum wage will always be minimum wage, regardless of what arbitrary number liberals want to set it at |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:46:20 AM EDT
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the something that needs to change is they should get a different job.
entry level jobs are not meant to provide a level of income to live off of. why $15? hell, make it $50 and be done with it. Or maybe even $100 just reinforcing the post above me... 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:46:37 AM EDT
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Help me out here guys. This person is generally a raging liberal and I'm at a loss. I had a couple responses in until she started to become triggered so I backed out. Mostly because I don't feel like starting shit with a 20 y/o libtard. She think that companies should be paying $15 minimum to their employees, essentially she wants minimum wage to be increased to $15/hr. I'd love to really get a good response in. I'm counting on you guys.
http://i.imgur.com/wRGetoM.jpg?1 This was something else she posted as support for her argument. http://i.imgur.com/RnxC32f.jpg Maybe they need to live in a cheaper area. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:47:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Whip your dick out and start helicoptering it. Bitches love that." - XCR 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:49:20 AM EDT
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Meh.
If 40 hours a week of your labor doesn't bring enough value to an employer to make a profit while paying you enough to live on, it's not my fucking problem. You should work harder. Or study harder. Or adopt a cheaper way of living. As for FDR's bullshit Marxist drivel... The government deciding which businesses have "the right to exist"? How is that not textbook totalitarian fascism? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:00 AM EDT
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I've used this a few times:
The problem with raising the minimum wage is that you don't end up making that work worth more, you make the money worth less. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:03 AM EDT
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You can't debate economics with someone that doesn't know anything about economics.
Oh, and the fact that the person uses the word "deserve" is a major red flag. Much like "fair," these days it's a word that serves to warn you that you're dealing with an immature simpleton who believes that life is a children's playground. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI demand an increase in minimum wattage supplies for robotic employees!!!! |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:29 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:30 AM EDT
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so if i am making $65 an hour, will i see a $7 raise?
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:52 AM EDT
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I've used this a few times: The problem with raising the minimum wage is that you don't end up making that work worth more, you make the money worth less. This is a good one. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:50:57 AM EDT
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My minimum wage is variable. Depends on what I'm doing and, what is expected. <<shrugs>>
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:51:24 AM EDT
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Meh.
I have a decent job. You know what I did when I wanted to make more money, I got second job. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:53:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow THAT'S funny!
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:55:00 AM EDT
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OP is unable to think for himself/make his own response and calls the chick an idiot lol
In reality the MW should be around 12-13 to keep up with inflation. The 40's-70's is when the U.S. was the kitties titties (according to GD). |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:55:11 AM EDT
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Beat them over the head with minimum wage is not a living wage. The fucking end. Its is the legal minimum you can pay someone. It is for people that can barely make it to work on time and do the bare minimum to not get fired. It is not a living wage.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:56:26 AM EDT
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So his "proof" is that FDR said that?
Weak. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:56:44 AM EDT
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Tell her she is a moron, and that HER view is flat out wrong.
No rational person should work for a wage that they cannot survive on. It is absolutely illogical. There are ways to survive on minimum wage. It isn't everyone's right to be able to afford a home and a car and everything else modern in our world. Regardless, there are plenty of places in the country to live where you can afford a home and a car on minimum wage. What did people do before the FLSA? The money is the problem. The answer is always more government. How people survived before a government program is beyond me. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:56:47 AM EDT
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Sorry op I got nothing, but her response would make some interesting copy pasta!
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:57:15 AM EDT
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OP is unable to think for himself/make his own response and calls the chick an idiot lol In reality the MW should be around 12-13 to keep up with inflation. The 40's-70's is when the U.S. was the kitties titties (according to GD). Huh? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:57:22 AM EDT
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If you're working 40 hours a week and don't make enough to live on, something needs to change.
Yeah, your job. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:57:31 AM EDT
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Call him a racist because higher minimum wage denies blacks the chance to gain skills and experience which will lead to higher wages.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:58:52 AM EDT
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:59:13 AM EDT
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Ask them to explain WHY they deserve the $15/hr. Tell them that the cost of goods and services is a function of materials cost, labor, and profit. Arbitrarily raising the wage will raise the price of the good or service; it's not like CorpCo is going to absorb it.
Raising the wage dilutes the money supply and increases inflation. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:59:51 AM EDT
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Watch and post this.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 11:59:53 AM EDT
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These idiots don't understand that the government is the main cause for the devaluation of the dollar.
They want more government to fix the problems caused by the government. I'd just post pictures of automated machines at applebees/mcdonalds/japan, and tell her you can't wait til they replace all these peoples jobs. You can top it off by putting a picture of a smug jeremy clarkson to piss her off more. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:00:06 PM EDT
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when those fuckers at McDonalds can get my order right 3 times in a row, I'll start to consider it. Not holding my breath
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:00:09 PM EDT
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Don't get involved in Facebook fights with morons.
You never win because they're not rational humans. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:01:16 PM EDT
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I asked where she thought the money should come from to increase the minimum, and just to make sure it wasn't a totally lost cause I asked if she thought taxes or goverment funding should cover it. This was the response.
Her: Companies should pay their employees a living wage. I don't understand what you're trying to argue with me about here. Me: I wasn't aware there was an argument Commence triggering from here on out... Her: Oh sorry I just assumed this was your attempt at trying to stump me because your questions had no real correlation with my post. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:01:42 PM EDT
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Ask her what she thinks the cheeseburgers the minimum wage morons are going to sell for after the wage is hiked to $15 an hour.
If she responds with it will cost more: tell her than that $15 an hour is now worth less because it will buy less and the minimum wage morons are stuck in the same loop. If she responds with the same: ask her why if costs go up prices wouldn't go up. If she responds with socialist platitude: call her a fucking vapid cunt and block her from your friend list, shut down facebook, burn your computer, and go shooting for fun. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:03:09 PM EDT
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Economic 101
If everyone made $15/hr at a minimum, the price of EVERYTHING will go up. From the price of milk, break, gas, housing, etc. The poverty line will simply be raised. In a free market society there will always be a bottom few % of people that are "poor". What does poor mean in the US? It means you don't have a roof over your head, running water, sewer, clothing, or heat in the winter. THAT is poor. Stop and think just how cheap most things are in the US: TV's, food, water, rent, clothing, etc, etc. What is expensive? Health insurance, new cars, etc. Now compare that to 30-50 years ago. What is poor? $15/hr would only move the poverty bar, not eliminate it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:03:21 PM EDT
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Tell her to go to the library and read a copy of Basic Economics cover to cover.
Just some of her word usage says to me that she doesn't have a good understanding of economics. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:03:24 PM EDT
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It will cost you one dollar but its a great visual. Calculate the percentage increase and measure the dollar and calculate the percentage of the length and draw a line across it. Take a pair of scissors and cut off that part, show them what's left and say, "That's how much your dollar is now worth."
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:03:52 PM EDT
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minimum wage folks are cute.
What's not going to be funny is when you put froth a $15 dollar min wage and then half of those people get fired and replaced by robots. I don't know why this isn't going on in FF restaurants as we speak. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:05:09 PM EDT
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$15/hr would only move the poverty bar, not eliminate it. With the added "benefit" of putting more people under it because their labor is no longer worth enough for them to legally have a job..... |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:05:43 PM EDT
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again. Having been just ahead of the minimum wage curve, finally making progress...and having the bottom brought up...this is true. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:05:50 PM EDT
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so if i am making $65 an hour, will i see a $7 raise? Only if you have a badass employer. Most will probably do some bullshit like 3% for employees making over $15. What you will see, is a dramatic increase in rent and housing first, followed by a slower rise in utilities, food, energy, property tax (in the SE anyway a great number of municipal jobs pay under $15), and then everything else within 24 months, so in the end virtually everyone making over $15 will after a very short adjustment have less spending power for years before the market adjusts, if it doesn't fail, and everyone gets back to where they were at which point the minimum wagers are screaming about needing to make $25 an hour to live. I believe it's called inflation. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:05:52 PM EDT
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I asked where she thought the money should come from to increase the minimum, and just to make sure it wasn't a totally lost cause I asked if she thought taxes or goverment funding should cover it. This was the response. Her: Me: Commence triggering from here on out... Her: Quote HistoryQuoted:
I asked where she thought the money should come from to increase the minimum, and just to make sure it wasn't a totally lost cause I asked if she thought taxes or goverment funding should cover it. This was the response. Her: Companies should pay their employees a living wage. I don't understand what you're trying to argue with me about here. Me: I wasn't aware there was an argument Commence triggering from here on out... Her: Oh sorry I just assumed this was your attempt at trying to stump me because your questions had no real correlation with my post. If they don't want the job for the salary, don't take the job. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:05:57 PM EDT
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I said years ago raising it to $5 an hour was a mistake. Ass clowns always think mandating a wage makes things better. There should be NO minimum wage what so ever, let an employee negotiate for their pay .
Sadly $15 an hour is coming along with $5 a dozen eggs and $8 a loaf bread. Stupid bastards just do not understand economics. Oh wait someone can mandate price controls to stop stores and manufactures from raising prices. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:07:51 PM EDT
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Some people just don't get the "Entry level job" thing.
I need to have a license and a clean record for my job. So that means I should make more than some nit wit fresh out of school (assuming they even graduated) Those jobs were/are for people who need to make a second income (pay a couple bills, etc), Retirement supplement, and for stay at home parents that can work a couple hours a day while jr is in school. WTF part of entry level do you not get? 
Maybe now I should get a $7- 10 hour raise. (A truck driver that delivers groceries to stores)
How much do you think your groceries are going to cost you then? Some people just can't see past the end of their noses. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:08:12 PM EDT
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again. Yeah, except those of us who make decent livings well above the minimum wage aren't going to get our salaries bumped the appropriate amount. It is truly reducing everyone to the same level of misery. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:09:13 PM EDT
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again. This is it right here. It will just trigger inflation so that $15 is now what 7.25(federal minimum wage) is worth. Then wage inflation will follow.. Ex. I am chef of 20 years that can run a kitchen(labor, food costs, menu development,etc) and if the entry level guy is getting $15/hr, I want more than that to pay for my skills. The national average right now for a executive chef is $55-70k. If that raise go through, sorry, I want 90k+ for my skills, so what does a business owner do? Raise prices. Say hello to $15 combo meals and $18 burgers at Applebee's. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:09:14 PM EDT
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ummm that's not how capitalism works.
You have no "right" to make a "living wage". You have no "right" for that wage to afford a home. Wage is all determined by market conditions. Whenever govt. gets involved it screws things up. Once wages go up, prices go up on goods as well thus effectively rendering that wage increase useless. Her argument is non-sense. In her logic all the ski bums and service industry workers should be making $100/hr to afford a home and a "living wage" in Aspen. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:09:43 PM EDT
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I'd reply that we should pay people what they are worth... and some people aren't worth even $3 an hour. I'd also add that there should not be a federally mandated minimum wage and that would stop suppressing the wages of the people that are worth $15 per hour. She will probably reply with foaming at the mouth gibberish... |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:11:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:11:16 PM EDT
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again. Do you know how difficult it is to explain that to some people? At this point, I'd rather try my hand at teaching my cats Esperanto. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:12:04 PM EDT
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I just started my own business. I employ so far 3 people, 2 full time and one part time. If min wage was $15/hr I could only afford to hire 1 FT & 1 PT. What she doesn't realize is where are these companies going to get the extra revenue for the payroll? Does she think raising the MW magically make a company's revenue increase??!! The majority of businesses work on a slim margin of profit. Not all are the large corporations who have larger profit margins like she probably thinks all businesses are. AND I'm sure she thinks all owners of businesses are raking in $$$ while their employees struggle to put food on the table right???!!!
Right now I'm making just enough to keep doors open and pay my bills. I'm just starting but that will change hopefully soon. Raising minimum wage does not equate to better employees! She and others like her have absolutely no concept of how a business is run or operated. Quoted:
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Make it $15 an hour. And 6 months down the road inflation will have adjusted everything out to where that $15 feels like $9 again. Do you know how difficult it is to explain that to some people? At this point, I'd rather try my hand at teaching my cats Esperanto. runcible is correct, tards like her will never grasp this concept because they are intellectually handicapped by their idealistic views....that and most are just plain too stupid!! |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:12:37 PM EDT
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Changing the minimum wage doesn't change the value of the work.
On the other hand, telling people they're just going to have to suck it up and starve isn't realistic. They'll just vote for Democrats. |
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