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Posted: 11/24/2015 11:50:00 PM EDT
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Welcome to borrow mine if they need it.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:02:10 AM EDT
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0bama playing to the proles.
Cops are dangerous when they have shitty laws to enforce and a willingness to serve evil. Cops having a couple of armored cars? Who gives a fuck? Would you rather they rusted away in a warehouse instead of some small town Pd having them? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:09:08 AM EDT
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with all the blm stuff going down...im good sitting back, hanging out...no rush to deal with rioters, with no riot gear
in the words of arfcom, just don't invite the man in your life |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:13:03 AM EDT
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What capability did these armored vehicles give police that they couldn't do with what they had before?
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:13:41 AM EDT
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Need to remove them cargo pockets too.
Nothing more intimidating than a cop with cargo pockets. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:16:05 AM EDT
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They took the one and only armored SWAT vehicle from my local sheriffs office. So the sheriff said they were going to use local funds to buy one instead. $360,000 
Lot of good that did, Obama. Yeah; so...you take a military vehicle which we're either going to destroy---or give to the government of fucking Mexico; or give it to local law enforcement. Something that's already been paid for by taxpayer dollars, can't mount weapons, and provides safety for officers and citizens. Or... We can pay $300,000. for an armored vehicles from local/state tax dollars. Yeah....easy choice there.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:19:12 AM EDT
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I find it interesting that politicians, individuals in media, and other assorted individuals with no applicable skills, knowledge, training or experience in this field of study feels that they should be able to dictate law enforcement policy/sops/usage of tools. Simple fact of the matter is armored vehicles, 'grenade launchers (Which shoots non-lethal bean bag rounds, tear gas, etc.) and other big bad scary military equipment makes the job law enforcement has to do easier and safer for all involved. (Suspects and law enforcement officers alike). Removing non-lethal tools and armor capability only increases the risk that LEO's get hurt/killed and drastically increases the risk that the suspect gets killed. They aren't gonna just say F it, arresting this violent criminal is too dangerous, lets let him walk. They are gonna be forced to 'wing it' to get the job done. Because make no mistake about it. They are removing 'scary' non-lethal tools... Tools which lower the potential of a situation becoming fatal. I know a lot of GD is extremely anti police and many cry against the militarization of police and police having these tools... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. The vast majority of GD is functionally retarded. Don't forget that much. They understand as much about public safety, police use of force, and law---as much as they do about quantum physics. Next to fucking nothing. Trying to use reason or logic with them, will likely only upset you...and do nothing more than vibrate the Cheeto-dust from their bellies as they scream at the monitor from the relative safety of their elderly parents' basement.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:30:44 AM EDT
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Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs? 
 His rifle is backwards. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:32:34 AM EDT
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.gov giveth, .gov taketh away. Its almost as if there's a lesson here.... |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:41:20 AM EDT
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The vast majority of GD is functionally retarded. Don't forget that much. They understand as much about public safety, police use of force, and law---as much as they do about quantum physics. Next to fucking nothing. Trying to use reason or logic with them, will likely only upset you...and do nothing more than vibrate the Cheeto-dust from their bellies as they scream at the monitor from the relative safety of their elderly parents' basement.
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I find it interesting that politicians, individuals in media, and other assorted individuals with no applicable skills, knowledge, training or experience in this field of study feels that they should be able to dictate law enforcement policy/sops/usage of tools. Simple fact of the matter is armored vehicles, 'grenade launchers (Which shoots non-lethal bean bag rounds, tear gas, etc.) and other big bad scary military equipment makes the job law enforcement has to do easier and safer for all involved. (Suspects and law enforcement officers alike). Removing non-lethal tools and armor capability only increases the risk that LEO's get hurt/killed and drastically increases the risk that the suspect gets killed. They aren't gonna just say F it, arresting this violent criminal is too dangerous, lets let him walk. They are gonna be forced to 'wing it' to get the job done. Because make no mistake about it. They are removing 'scary' non-lethal tools... Tools which lower the potential of a situation becoming fatal. I know a lot of GD is extremely anti police and many cry against the militarization of police and police having these tools... But it begs the question, if police are given armored vehicles and tools on the Fed. dime (stuff that is already in existence anyways) and it can save just 1 life, whether that's a LEO's life or even the suspects life... Isn't it worth it to allow those tools to be used? Apparently the general consensus is people would rather LEO's go into a situation under prepared and under equipped... Even if that means its more likely people get hurt/die. Would you remove tools from a surgeon? A mechanic? A pilot? A firefighter? A EMT? Probably not. Because you don't want to lower their chances of success and increase the risk of death/injury... So why the hell do people feel the need to remove tools from law enforcement. The vast majority of GD is functionally retarded. Don't forget that much. They understand as much about public safety, police use of force, and law---as much as they do about quantum physics. Next to fucking nothing. Trying to use reason or logic with them, will likely only upset you...and do nothing more than vibrate the Cheeto-dust from their bellies as they scream at the monitor from the relative safety of their elderly parents' basement.
Ah yes, one of the speshul ''protected ones'' I take it. 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:42:27 AM EDT
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Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/LHWady7budyD_5xwFZMLlA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTcyO3E9OTU7dz01OTI-/http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/eotech_zps86f85aec.jpg That pic cant be real right? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:43:09 AM EDT
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Sounds like their getting a taste of how civil forfeiture feels. Hopefully they'll start doing more policing smiling and waving instead of just law enforcing as a result 
Oh, you were serious? 
Edit: FIFY |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:46:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryEotech failure rate have anything to do with recoil impulse being applied in the opposite direction it was designed for?  |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:48:03 AM EDT
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If they need them, they can buy them.
It really is that simple. That way the local people have a say instead of the police just saying "hey, we got it free". If you need it and the people you serve want you to have it, then you can buy it. Hell the Feds can even sell them cheap to the agencies that want them. That is the way it should work in America. Besides they only took the tracked stuff and not the MRAPs, right? Items on the prohibited list include armored tracked vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, .50-caliber firearms and ammo, bayonets, and camouflage. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:49:07 AM EDT
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Bullshit it doesn't! That kind of stuff belongs in my house and garage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Grenade launchers, high-caliber weapons, armored vehicles this equipment never belonged in our neighborhoods." Bullshit it doesn't! That kind of stuff belongs in my house and garage. Lmao
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:49:29 AM EDT
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Fuck that jug eared cocksucker
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:49:40 AM EDT
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Oh, you were serious? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like their getting a taste of how civil forfeiture feels. Hopefully they'll start doing more policing instead of just law enforcing as a result
Oh, you were serious? 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:50:49 AM EDT
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I wonder if they took away that bad ass MRAP we have.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:57:43 AM EDT
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Surgeon: yes, if they were out of line for the surgery. Mechanic: yes, if they were out of line for the diagnosis I needed. Pilot: yes, if he asked me to pay for tool not to be used on our flight. Should I go on? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mechanic: yes, if they were out of line for the diagnosis I needed. Pilot: yes, if he asked me to pay for tool not to be used on our flight. Should I go on? An estimated 400,000 people die each year from medical mistakes. I'm sure there aren't any mechanics who lie to sell more or do shoddy work, or auto manufacturers who make mistakes and brakes fail, gas tanks catch fire, gas pedals stick...etc...etc... point being people, all people make mistakes and some police gear gets misused. But when police are taking rifle rounds from a barricaded suspect, there really is no other politically correct way to get access other than by using armored vehicles. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 12:58:51 AM EDT
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They will use the ferguson excuse to pull equipment away from the Sheriffs. Then dangle the carrot of nationalization/federalization of police/sheriffs for them to get their stuff back. The reason being that the majority of sheriffs opposed the FBHO plan for more gun control and refused to enforce any new laws. Once federalized, more gun control is a go. Shit... you're right. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:01:24 AM EDT
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Ha ha ha ha This. Butthurt when they militarize the police, butthurt when they demilitarize them. I say good - bring back andy griffith. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:01:37 AM EDT
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in before the butt hurt https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*MLVSGtD0Y06qlMgLQa6Qxw.jpeg FSA |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:04:37 AM EDT
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DRMO? Group buy? I'm not a big fan of 1033 for the simple fact that cops are civilians give everyone the same ability to get it. Half of the surplus eligible 1033 stuff goes to DRMO and the other half goes to 1033. If it's to dangerous to get sold through DRMO to the general public than it must be to dangerous for civilians to own (LEO). |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:09:22 AM EDT
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If the police can have them, then regular citizens should also be able to have them. I am ok with them being repossessed.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:11:02 AM EDT
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Does Sheriff Joe still have an M109?
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:15:53 AM EDT
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Sending them to ISIS
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:20:00 AM EDT
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Dispersing federal war equipment with no strings attached to non-federal agencies is not a solid recipe for consolidation of power. Think of all those rural wrongthinking agencies that might be armed and who don't like Obama. Whoooops. Don't go making no sense now! |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:22:21 AM EDT
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Meh, could give a fuck less.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:23:33 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 0bama playing to the proles. Cops are dangerous when they have shitty laws to enforce and a willingness to serve evil. Cops having a couple of armored cars? Who gives a fuck? Would you rather they rusted away in a warehouse instead of some small town Pd having them? But it's for the children...  |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:27:46 AM EDT
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So the local agency should spend your money to buy the stuff you already bought because you would rather them not have something based on appearance
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:27:52 AM EDT
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Welcome to Gun Control Bitches!
I wonder if Detroit, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Memphis.... will scream the loudest Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:31:17 AM EDT
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OBAMA has other countries that he wishes to supply with American Taxpayer Paid military equipment with. And, these other countries aren't sometimes even "friends of democracy."
Aloha, Mark. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:34:26 AM EDT
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So the local agency should spend your money to buy the stuff you already bought because you would rather them not have something based on appearance Apparently, and because Andy Griffith also
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:35:53 AM EDT
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His rifle is backwards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wonder if hat includes the EoTechs?
https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/LHWady7budyD_5xwFZMLlA--/YXBwaWQ9c3JjaGRkO2g9NTcyO3E9OTU7dz01OTI-/http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa221/toobmonkey/eotech_zps86f85aec.jpg His rifle is backwards. lol no logo on his BCG either. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:45:49 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:51:19 AM EDT
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Oh well.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 1:58:05 AM EDT
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Whatever will I do...?
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:07:29 AM EDT
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I love the Pavlovian responses these type threads generate.
Soooey!!! 
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:09:16 AM EDT
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They will use the ferguson excuse to pull equipment away from the Sheriffs. Then dangle the carrot of nationalization/federalization of police/sheriffs for them to get their stuff back. The reason being that the majority of sheriffs opposed the FBHO plan for more gun control and refused to enforce any new laws. Once federalized, more gun control is a go. Winner Winner, Chicken Dinner! |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:12:56 AM EDT
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Just as much bullshit talk to keep Milsurp stuff as there is to take it back. Law Enforcement needs to get it into their heads that they NEVER owned ANY of this stuff, it was ALWAYS on loan from the Feds. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bouchard said that his department had lost 16 bayonets that were used primarily for honor guards, funerals and other ceremonial purposes, but also would be kept in trunks for their use as wire cutters, including cutting the seatbelts of car crash victims. They use bayonets to cut people free of their seat belts?
Just as much bullshit talk to keep Milsurp stuff as there is to take it back. Law Enforcement needs to get it into their heads that they NEVER owned ANY of this stuff, it was ALWAYS on loan from the Feds. Yep. Because assholes like that know the average person doesn't know any different and will buy into the bullshit. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:14:26 AM EDT
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Am I the only one that thinks the whole EO thing has gone way beyond what the FF intended?
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:18:49 AM EDT
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Oh well If they really need them, let the taxpayers pay for them. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:20:12 AM EDT
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Local sheriff's dept lost an M16A1....if they can't keep track of gov property I'm ok with them getting it yanked.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:24:57 AM EDT
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This is one BHO decision I actually agree with. Liberty and the Constitution trump officer safety, just as they do the safety of everyone else. Militarized law enforcement is a threat to liberty. Certain equipment and tactics would make law enforcement much more effective. Torturing suspects or deleting the 4th and 5th Amendments, for example, would greatly increase police effectiveness and safety, should we do those too? Hell no. I love me some cops, but they shouldn't have mil vehicles, machine guns, etc. that define the difference between citizens empowered to be in law enforcement and military forces designed for waging war on the enemies of the nation. No matter how bad "the streets" get, they aren't a theater of war and there are different rules. That's not news to most, of course...but frighteningly, it is to some.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:29:47 AM EDT
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Lol. People hate BHO until he takes away used military equipment that has been paid for already. Then the same people swallow BHO balls deep.
Take it all away, all I carry has been paid for by me anyway. We will respond to calls accordingly to the tools we have available. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:32:07 AM EDT
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The sudden anti-LEO left turn was a conscious decision on the Dem's part and in hindsight should have been predictable. They were probably waiting and ready for whatever incident came along that let them kick it off, and it ended up being St. Swishers. Didn't take all that long after chucking them under the bus to start making noises about federalizing local law enforcement, either - which is probably the end goal of all of this. That's kind of where my thinking is heading. A part of me honestly feels there was some backroom discussion at Federal levels about arming up folks they couldn't directly control...when they need to. Too many LE COs saying "No, we won't" to too much legislation/ideas coming from Federal offices...causing some sobering backchatter at Fed levels, and new thinking about disbursement of military equipment that could potentially be used against the government. ...or I'm just paranoid. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:32:25 AM EDT
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I wonder if they took away that bad ass MRAP we have. You've never had to ride in one for long periods...lol There's nothing badass about them. I swear, it doesn't take much to impress people with stuff they've never had to use. I think that's a huge part of why departments want them even though they'd never admit it.
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Posted: 11/25/2015 2:32:38 AM EDT
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This is one BHO decision I actually agree with. Liberty and the Constitution trump officer safety, just as they do the safety of everyone else. Militarized law enforcement is a threat to liberty. Certain equipment and tactics would make law enforcement much more effective. Torturing suspects or deleting the 4th and 5th Amendments, for example, would greatly increase police effectiveness and safety, should we do those too? Hell no. I love me some cops, but they shouldn't have mil vehicles, machine guns, etc. that define the difference between citizens empowered to be in law enforcement and military forces designed for waging war on the enemies of the nation. No matter how bad "the streets" get, they aren't a theater of war and there are different rules. That's not news to most, of course...but frighteningly, it is to some. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How is torturing a suspect related to officer safety? Or are you just rambling? |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 3:13:50 AM EDT
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The Feds giveth, and the Feds taketh away.... Something about a government big enough to give you everything being big enough to take it away, or something. |
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Posted: 11/25/2015 3:23:07 AM EDT
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Oh, fuck.
Police dont get to play soldier any more. qq. |
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