User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:34:09 PM EDT
No safe thread this time, just pews. Let me know what you think.
Just in case somebody has a Blackberry and can't HTML5 105 gr DRT fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through into calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin. BB: 590.2 fps, 3.6" Impact velocity: 1,415 fps Penetration: 7.1" Retained weight: 0 gr Expansion: N/A |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:36:33 PM EDT
[#1]
do not want
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:37:49 PM EDT
[#2]
I'd thought it would be faster than that.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:40:18 PM EDT
[#3]
another excellent video, thanks for sharing
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:41:27 PM EDT
[#4]
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm??
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:43:03 PM EDT
[#5]
Dat penetration?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:43:28 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd thought it would be faster than that. I'm sure too much speed with something like that would hinder "performance". I think some guys get the Nosler 135s moving like 2k. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:44:27 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 12:46:24 PM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? I believe DRT ammo is frangible so compressed magnesium equals lightweight I think they look for lightweight/high velocity for penetration/energy dump. I think their 9mm is only 85gr. Velocity is dissapoint. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:02:08 PM EDT
[#9]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:02:13 PM EDT
[#10]
a 165 plated would do better than that, I'd guess.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:10:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd thought it would be faster than that. Me too. Other lightweight gimmick rounds really get moving. If you're gonna herp, you may as well derp. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:13:00 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? I wouldn't, but theoretically, it could make for a decent load for zapping small critters like coyote or javelina at longer range, with very little drop. 7" should be enough for that sort of thing. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:14:11 PM EDT
[#13]
FPNI
much shallow, many weak |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:14:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:14:35 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm sure too much speed with something like that would hinder "performance". I think some guys get the Nosler 135s moving like 2k. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I'd thought it would be faster than that. I'm sure too much speed with something like that would hinder "performance". I think some guys get the Nosler 135s moving like 2k. That would probably be very dangerous from a 4.5" barrel. Underwood gets it moving at about 1,570 fps:
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:15:48 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Probably penetrate even less. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:18:32 PM EDT
[#17]
It sploded.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:18:41 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
a 165 plated would do better than that, I'd guess. Yes. 165 gr Gold Dot is murder and just barely meets the 12" minimum.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:23:31 PM EDT
[#19]
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:34:18 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. None of what matters? Penetration matters. Bullets don't wish people dead. Expansion also matters, but to a lesser extent. A lot of folks hear that there isn't a great deal of difference between the terminal effect produced by different pistol loads and interpret that to mean there is no difference. There is some difference, just a small enough difference that many people value the capacity and recoil impulse of 9mm over the small gain in terminal performance offered by .40 S&W or .45 Auto. The difference in terminal performance is a bit greater with 10mm and .357 mag, though, but the recoil and flash is also greater. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:52:58 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Yeah, only ~1400 fps from that weight bullet in 10mm is weaksauce. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 1:57:59 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Probably penetrate even less. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Probably penetrate even less. Or vaporize on impact and take the block of gel with it. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:02:22 PM EDT
[#23]
bluefalcon i was more sarcasticly thinking 165 gr raniers or such. That underwood load maxed out that Gold Dot.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:06:04 PM EDT
[#24]
I think a wound like that would create interesting problems for the surgeons and post surgery care. The tiny metal fragments could cause some poisoning issues as they dissolve into various metallic salts.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:08:38 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a wound like that would create interesting problems for the surgeons and post surgery care. The tiny metal fragments could cause some poisoning issues as they dissolve into various metallic salts. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:16:54 PM EDT
[#26]
"Hey guys, check out these neato square wheels I invented for my truck!!"
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:21:01 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
The tiny metal fragments could cause some poisoning issues as they dissolve into various metallic salts. Nowhere near enough volume to create any kind of real poisoning issue. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:21:01 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure too much speed with something like that would hinder "performance". I think some guys get the Nosler 135s moving like 2k. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd thought it would be faster than that. I'm sure too much speed with something like that would hinder "performance". I think some guys get the Nosler 135s moving like 2k. I get 1800 fps out of the 6" G20 and 1600 fps out of a G29. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:22:11 PM EDT
[#29]
What BB gun?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:34:19 PM EDT
[#30]
lightweight 10mm reviews, sorry not meant to crap in your thread, and in no way connected to videos or product. just a series of reviews I have watched over the years. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 2:52:41 PM EDT
[#31]
You guys do understand this is a frangible, compressed metal, jacketed round, right? It's not a traditional hollow point.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:31:07 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You guys do understand this is a frangible, compressed metal, jacketed round, right? It's not a traditional hollow point. Yes, I understand. But why would I want that? Especially in a 10mm? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:36:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Or vaporize on impact and take the block of gel with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
well that sucks. why would you only want 105 gr in a 10mm?? Insane velocity, which seems to be missing from this round. I'd think a 105gr could get up to about 2,000 fps. It'd be interesting to see what it does at that velocity. Probably penetrate even less. Or vaporize on impact and take the block of gel with it. Right? Something about time/space wobbly. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:39:33 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
bluefalcon i was more sarcasticly thinking 165 gr raniers or such. That underwood load maxed out that Gold Dot. Okay, I gotcha. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:47:06 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUm7iegNbMlightweight 10mm reviews, sorry not meant to crap in your thread, and in no way connected to videos or product. just a series of reviews I have watched over the years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGQgnlPlb0
Not crapping in the thread at all. Thanks for posting. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:56:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
None of what matters? Penetration matters. Bullets don't wish people dead. Expansion also matters, but to a lesser extent. A lot of folks hear that there isn't a great deal of difference between the terminal effect produced by different pistol loads and interpret that to mean there is no difference. There is some difference, just a small enough difference that many people value the capacity and recoil impulse of 9mm over the small gain in terminal performance offered by .40 S&W or .45 Auto. The difference in terminal performance is a bit greater with 10mm and .357 mag, though, but the recoil and flash is also greater. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. None of what matters? Penetration matters. Bullets don't wish people dead. Expansion also matters, but to a lesser extent. A lot of folks hear that there isn't a great deal of difference between the terminal effect produced by different pistol loads and interpret that to mean there is no difference. There is some difference, just a small enough difference that many people value the capacity and recoil impulse of 9mm over the small gain in terminal performance offered by .40 S&W or .45 Auto. The difference in terminal performance is a bit greater with 10mm and .357 mag, though, but the recoil and flash is also greater. I don't think anyone in the 9mm vs. .45 thread were saying that none of this matters. What we were saying in that thread, is that the difference between 9mm - .45 is that in self defense cartridges, there wasn't a large enough difference in performance to justify .45 being used rather than 9mm, for SELF DEFENSE AGAINST HUMANS. 10mm is one of those cartridges that isn't applicable in that particular discussion. It moves fast, and it can push a decently heavy round fast enough to be useful for things that aren't just SELF DEFENSE AGAINST HUMANS. Like hunting, or shooting other large animals that have deeper chest cavities and larger bone structures. Just like .357mag, it can be loaded pretty darn hot. Just like .44mag. (maybe not to the .44mag's velocities for projectile weight, but you get the picture). What was being said, and MANY MANY MANY posters in the 9mm v. .45 thread missed, was that in that particular use....given that penetration is what provides stops, and since both 9mm and .45 will provide the necessary depth of penetration.....there's not really anything gained by using a .45. That is what was said. 10mm has the distinction of being one of the few relatively common auto-loader rounds that can be used for things other than self defense because it is capable of producing enough penetration for deeper chest cavities than 9mm or .45 is capable of. But for some reason, that thread turned into a crap-fest. And I don't understand why. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 4:58:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Yes, I understand. But why would I want that? Especially in a 10mm? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
You guys do understand this is a frangible, compressed metal, jacketed round, right? It's not a traditional hollow point. Yes, I understand. But why would I want that? Especially in a 10mm? You wouldn't, because you understand how these sort of things tend to perform, even without watching my test. There are a lot of folks out there who either don't know how shallowly this sort of round penetrates or actively want a shallow penetrating round because some dickwad told them to be scared of "over penetration". I have heard quite a few people advocate using 135 gr Nosler JHP in 10mm. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 5:06:26 PM EDT
[#38]
Wow. That was a really shitty round. I also expected much faster. Penetration has a pretty impressive 'spread' but not terribly deep - I wonder what would happen if there was a winter coat involved or a few layers of clothing/ denim? I also wonder what penetration would be if the round entered in a boney area like ribs or sternum.
Essentially you get all the shitty aspects of a 9 and a 45 and combine them into single cartridge. Perfect. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 5:07:55 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 5:14:17 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd thought it would be faster than that. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 5:49:09 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You wouldn't, because you understand how these sort of things tend to perform, even without watching my test. There are a lot of folks out there who either don't know how shallowly this sort of round penetrates or actively want a shallow penetrating round because some dickwad told them to be scared of "over penetration". I have heard quite a few people advocate using 135 gr Nosler JHP in 10mm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
You guys do understand this is a frangible, compressed metal, jacketed round, right? It's not a traditional hollow point. Yes, I understand. But why would I want that? Especially in a 10mm? You wouldn't, because you understand how these sort of things tend to perform, even without watching my test. There are a lot of folks out there who either don't know how shallowly this sort of round penetrates or actively want a shallow penetrating round because some dickwad told them to be scared of "over penetration". I have heard quite a few people advocate using 135 gr Nosler JHP in 10mm. Zactly. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:21:45 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Dat penetration? My thought too. No thanks. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:27:55 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:32:15 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not crapping in the thread at all. Thanks for posting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkUm7iegNbMlightweight 10mm reviews, sorry not meant to crap in your thread, and in no way connected to videos or product. just a series of reviews I have watched over the years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxGQgnlPlb0Not crapping in the thread at all. Thanks for posting. And there is... |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:33:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
No safe thread this time, just pews. Let me know what you think. https://youtu.be/bgK0Dast7pM
Just in case somebody has a Blackberry and can't HTML5 105 gr DRT fired from 4.5" barrel EAA Witness through into calibrated 10% ordnance gelatin. BB: 590.2 fps, 3.6" Impact velocity: 1,415 fps Penetration: 7.1" Retained weight: 0 gr Expansion: N/A Thanks for posting.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:34:41 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load. What is a "trail gun"? Meant for animals? |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 6:53:23 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What is a "trail gun"? Meant for animals? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I learned in the 9mm>45 ACP (and 40 and 10mm and everything else for that matter) that none of this matters. Some of us are interested in 10mm for trail guns, whereas 9mm is common EDC. This wouldn't make a good trail gun load. What is a "trail gun"? Meant for animals? Whatever you might encounter while on a trail. Humans with bad intentions, animals that want to eat you, animals that are injured and need to be put down, etc. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 7:02:18 PM EDT
[#48]
Rounds like this should be tested on live tissue. I don't put much faith in this testing method for this type of ammo. live Goats would be a better test medium.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 10/13/2015 7:04:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thank you for your indulgence, that reviewer found the Gold dots separate in 180gr I believe. Which is unbelievable but he shows video evidence, they are .40 bullets loaded to 10mm full power.And there is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFUAmIgR918
Between Tnoutdoors9 and my own tests, we've seen some surprising inconsistency in 180 gr Gold Dots driven to the 1,300 fps neighborhood. I think 1,200 fps is much better for that bullet. |
|
|
|
Posted: 10/14/2015 11:34:48 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Rounds like this should be tested on live tissue. I don't put much faith in this testing method for this type of ammo. live Goats would be a better test medium. Wait, sorry. I missed this gem. Sometimes my sarcasm meter gets out of calibration. Is this dry humor or are you serious? |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
